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Thread: a master carbineers perspective on PISTOLEER,rifleman and carbineer.

Cardco2
Sat Feb 14, 2004 4:13 pm
#1






pistoleer should be--a self defencive class, great defence, good accuracy but poor speed, and week DPS. slow but very hard to hit. all moves hit health. and they are great at close ranges. anyone would need to be kneeling to have a 60% chance to hit a pistoleer. standing you have a30% chance to hit a pistoleer. 40% less SP needed to get then carbines. they also at master get to equip 2 pistols wich double the speed and the second pistol dose 50% its damage, so thats 50% more damage per second.


rifleman--supporters of main infantry, best at kneeling, terrible accuracy wile standing and 70% chance tto miss at point blank. horibly high damage. and great for long range sniping. if your a mellee, you will probably die long befor you reach 30 meters. slow. but pretty good defences. add a new gun, a heavy repeater machine blaster that can only be equiped and used WHILE kneeling. at master, and prone trhey have a 90% chance to hit you. to further the reason for them to stay "behind the main line" would be they have a 2.5-3x damage multiplier.


carbineer--alround main fighters. good on there own, but best with support of rifleman. good defences and very good DPS. main grunts of combat. good standing very good kneeling. medium accuracy. fastest fireing class. but rifleman have greater damage output and greater accuracy. while pistoleers have much much higher defences. alround best for combat. but lacking in areas that rifleman succeed in. 60% of the accuracy of rifleman 50%the defences of pistoleers. and 5x the pistoleers damage output, 75% the riflemans dam,age output.


THIS IS MY OPPINION on what things should be.

(disclaimer:this ALL would be if they increased range on turrets to 200m and weapon range to 130m and pistol range to 100m, and also my idea's would greatly increase the usefullness of kneeling and prone. )

Message Edited by Cardco2 on 02-15-2004 05:52 PM



Chriss Lightstrider
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Cardco2
Sat Feb 14, 2004 4:27 pm
#2

/bump



Chriss Lightstrider
Valcyn
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boodow
Sat Feb 14, 2004 4:35 pm
#3

Wow they should hire you as a dev!






Terigo
Master Pistoleer/Smuggler
Commander of the Millennium Nuna
KingKeebler
Sat Feb 14, 2004 4:36 pm
#4

i know this is your opinion and i shouldnt bash it, but are you crazy? how many pistols do you know of that shoot slower than a rifle?



La-La Ganja
RogSq Council

master pistoleer / MBH

Keeblah Gott
TKM/Master Swords
boodow
Sat Feb 14, 2004 4:38 pm
#5

Flintlock pistol?



Terigo
Master Pistoleer/Smuggler
Commander of the Millennium Nuna
Genrader
Sat Feb 14, 2004 4:39 pm
#6

This is a decent view on how things should be. 4 star

KingKeebler
Sat Feb 14, 2004 4:46 pm
#7

lol im talking the new semi-autos



La-La Ganja
RogSq Council

master pistoleer / MBH

Keeblah Gott
TKM/Master Swords
boodow
Sat Feb 14, 2004 4:48 pm
#8

Ooooohhh, I don't think so then.






Terigo
Master Pistoleer/Smuggler
Commander of the Millennium Nuna
dimmu-borgir
Sat Feb 14, 2004 4:51 pm
#9






KingKeebler wrote:
i know this is your opinion and i shouldnt bash it, but are you crazy? how many pistols do you know of that shoot slower than a rifle?





well, it depends which sort of rifle you are talking about, sniper rifles, pistols are faster, but assault rifles, like pretty much all of the ones that riflemen use, whereas, an ak47 or m16 will always fire faster than your pistol.



Dimmu Borgir

I art in thine base

Slaying thine doodz

Cardco2
Sat Feb 14, 2004 5:12 pm
#10

the carbine is the assualt rifle ingame. and pistols should be faster then rifles. ecept the repeater that I mentioned. i likie my repeater idea.







Chriss Lightstrider
Valcyn
A Rebel

"For God so Loved the world that he sent his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him shall NOT perish, but have everlasting life"-John 3:16

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NEW Official Carbineer Motto:
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Randonb
Sat Feb 14, 2004 6:43 pm
#11

I presume this has been posted in not only the Pistoleer and GCW forum, but the Carbinier and Rifleman forum as well? Did you remember to hit up Game Guides, Core Systems, and your Galaxy forum? Should we go post our replies in each copy of your thread?


I'll admit that what you are suggesting would be somewhat of an improvement on what we have now, but I don't think it's what we are after. Nobody likes to miss. Game developers know this. Missing is frustrating, and the player feels like he is powerless in the fight. Your new system seems tocenter aroundaccuracy. What happens when a player stockpiles accuracy skill mods, or uses Dead Eye, or uses accuracy buffs from chef (if they exist.. haven't read much on the subject after the revamp)? That just blows big gaping holes in the whole idea.


Furthemore, lets get one thing straight: Pistols are meant to be faster than Carbines. The whole "sub machine gun" comes out in that each special is considered "burst" of fire. If a person tries to fire an automatic or even semi-automatic weapon quickly with no pause between bursts, you can expect to hit just about nothing at all. A carbine special is a burst, not a single blaster bolt. A pistol, on the other hand, has very limited recoil. You can fire, recover, take aim, and fire againrelatively quickly.


And don't you think you are being a little generous to your carbine bretheren? I mean, details of what you said aside, there is this little tidbit:


"alround best for combat."


Not a good way to gain popularity.





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Bzzzz
Sat Feb 14, 2004 8:03 pm
#12






Cardco2 wrote:



carbineer--alround main fighters. good on there own, but best with support of rifleman. good defences and very good DPS. main grunts of combat. good standing very good kneeling. medium accuracy. fastest fireing class. but rifleman have greater damage output and greater accuracy. while pistoleers have much much higher defences. alround best for combat. but lacking in areas that rifleman succeed in. 60% of the accuracy of rifleman 50%the defences of pistoleers. and 5x the pistoleers damage output, 75% the riflemans dam,age output.




I always naturally question the validity of elitesdetermining the roles of other elites. It's like picking the roster of a competing team. Naturally the poster always prioritizes their own profession, which is definitely the case here.


As I see this, it basically leaves pistoleers out of the combat equation entirely, except as damage-soaking tanks. Pets and melee elites are exemplary at this, and I don't see where this Pistoleer model could compete with that. I don't see what all the skill points are paying for here, I certainly don't see anything in here that reflects the offense-heavy gunfighter roles portrayed in the Star Wars universe, and I definitelyI don't see how it would integrate with the Smuggler or Bounty-Hunter professions.


Creative and interesting, but I strongly disagree.



-Zz


Cardco2
Sat Feb 14, 2004 11:45 pm
#13






I presume this has been posted in not only the Pistoleer and GCW forum, but the Carbinier and Rifleman forum as well? Did you remember to hit up Game Guides, Core Systems, and your Galaxy forum? Should we go post our replies in each copy of your thread?


I'll admit that what you are suggesting would be somewhat of an improvement on what we have now, but I don't think it's what we are after. Nobody likes to miss. Game developers know this. Missing is frustrating, and the player feels like he is powerless in the fight. Your new system seems tocenter aroundaccuracy. What happens when a player stockpiles accuracy skill mods, or uses Dead Eye, or uses accuracy buffs from chef (if they exist.. haven't read much on the subject after the revamp)? That just blows big gaping holes in the whole idea.


Furthemore, lets get one thing straight: Pistols are meant to be faster than Carbines. The whole "sub machine gun" comes out in that each special is considered "burst" of fire. If a person tries to fire an automatic or even semi-automatic weapon quickly with no pause between bursts, you can expect to hit just about nothing at all. A carbine special is a burst, not a single blaster bolt. A pistol, on the other hand, has very limited recoil. You can fire, recover, take aim, and fire againrelatively quickly.


And don't you think you are being a little generous to your carbine bretheren? I mean, details of what you said aside, there is this little tidbit:


"alround best for combat."


Not a good way to gain popularity.



lol. um yes ALROUND best. as in even in accuracy, great in speed, even in defences. and great in damage.



pistol would bevery greatin accuracy,even in speed. very great in defences, and week on damage.


rifles amazing accuracyat prone and kneeling, week speed,even defences, and amazing damage.


ps:the pistol defences would half stack(only half would stack.) with oither prof.s and it would cost 50% LESS sp.

Message Edited by Cardco2 on 02-14-2004 10:46 PM



Chriss Lightstrider
Valcyn
A Rebel

"For God so Loved the world that he sent his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him shall NOT perish, but have everlasting life"-John 3:16

"We came to rescue you."-Anakin
"Good job."-Obi-Wan

NEW Official Carbineer Motto:
"Carbineer...stunning crowds since Publish 7!"
Old Official Carbineer Motto:
"I bet I can kill me before you can kill me"
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