Pistoleer Archive

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DarkHelmet-TIO wrote:

With all the speed mods, what is it. I have heard that a 3.0 speed weapon is the fastest it can effectively be (any lower is pointless). Also heard that 3.0 acts like 2.0 speed

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A Master Pistoleer can fire the default attack at the 1 sec speed cap with a 4.0 speed Pistol, but that's pretty useless since special attacks are a must for doing more damage.

With a 3.0 speed Pistol a Master Pistoleer can use BodyShot1 and HealthShot1 at the 1 sec speed cap, but nothing else.

With a 1.3 speed Pistol a Master Pistoleer can fire every Pistoleer special at the 1 sec speed cap EXCEPT Multi-Target Pistol Shot and Stopping Shot (and LastDitch if you have Smuggler).

You'd need a Pistol with a speed of 1.0 for a Master Pistoleer to use Stopping Shot, MTPS, and LastDitch at the 1 sec speed cap. If you were a Master Pistoleer with Master Marksman you could do it with a 1.2 speed Pistol.

As was already pointed out, go here for speed calculations: http://killyourpc.org/swg/swg_dps.php

you could get a like three +7 tapes (or more) and you'll hit the speed cap with all specials with most pistols!

I am master marksman and pistoleer, I think the total speed mod is around 79 or something

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KaernLegorah wrote:

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DarkHelmet-TIO wrote:

With all the speed mods, what is it. I have heard that a 3.0 speed weapon is the fastest it can effectively be (any lower is pointless). Also heard that 3.0 acts like 2.0 speed

Help

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A Master Pistoleer can fire the default attack at the 1 sec speed cap with a 4.0 speed Pistol, but that's pretty useless since special attacks are a must for doing more damage.

With a 3.0 speed Pistol a Master Pistoleer can use BodyShot1 and HealthShot1 at the 1 sec speed cap, but nothing else.

With a 1.3 speed Pistol a Master Pistoleer can fire every Pistoleer special at the 1 sec speed cap EXCEPT Multi-Target Pistol Shot and Stopping Shot (and LastDitch if you have Smuggler).

You'd need a Pistol with a speed of 1.0 for a Master Pistoleer to use Stopping Shot, MTPS, and LastDitch at the 1 sec speed cap. If you were a Master Pistoleer with Master Marksman you could do it with a 1.2 speed Pistol.

As was already pointed out, go here for speed calculations: http://killyourpc.org/swg/swg_dps.php

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Somewhat correct, but a little off. I can fire at the speed cap on all attacks (except multi target shot) with a 1.8 speed pistol or faster. I don't have any slower than that so I couldn't tell you about anything higher than 1.8 and up. I have time stamp turned on and my stopping shot with a 1.8 speed pistol caps at 1 second every time. Fan shot, body shot 2 & 3, stopping shot and pbs2 pba 2 all fire at the one second cap for me. I am only a master gunfighter for combat with no speed mods. I only have +74 speed. Turn time stamp on and you can truely see what really happens while in combat.

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Veehawk wrote:
Somewhat correct, but a little off. I can fire at the speed cap on all attacks (except multi target shot) with a 1.8 speed pistol or faster. I don't have any slower than that so I couldn't tell you about anything higher than 1.8 and up. I have time stamp turned on and my stopping shot with a 1.8 speed pistol caps at 1 second every time. Fan shot, body shot 2 & 3, stopping shot and pbs2 pba 2 all fire at the one second cap for me. I am only a master gunfighter for combat with no speed mods. I only have +74 speed. Turn time stamp on and you can truely see what really happens while in combat.

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First of all, the numbers that I gave were obtained using the DPS calculator here:
http://killyourpc.org/swg/swg_dps.php

Secondly, it's impossible (quite literally impossible) to fire StoppingShot at the speed cap and NOT fire Multi-Target Pistol Shot at the cap. Why? Because MTPS has a delay mod of 3.5, and StoppingShot has a delay mod of 4.0. MTPS will always fire faster than StoppingShot.

1.8 speed * 4.0 (StoppingShot) = 7.2
7.2 * 0.26 (Master Pistoleer speed mod) = 1.872

1.8 speed * 3.5 (MTPS) = 6.3
6.3 * 0.26 (speed mod) = 1.638

So, not only are you firing MTPS faster than StoppingShot, but you're not actually firing StoppingShot at the rate you think you are. It appears that the Combat Log is not an accurate way to measure your rate of fire. Don't know why that would be, but according to what we know about the speed equation you're not firing as fast as you think you are.

Ok heres my situation. I have 2 Geo pistols and 2 Launcher pistols. Can't decide between them.

Geo pistols:

2.1 speed, 133-278 non krayt with 776 DPS fan shot
3.0 speed, 179-395 krayt with 759 DPS fan shot

Launcher pistols:

853 DPS for fan shot on 2.4 speed, 101-415
757 DPS for fan shot on 3.0 speed, 117-456 (much more expensive than first)

Which geo and which LP should I use. This is with master marksman mods at +79 speed mod

These are pvp weapons by the way - not sure if that changes things.

Well I still don't know which pistol

I thought you pretty much answered it yourself. With your current speed mods the lower speed pistols will do more damage for you. If you increase your speed mods w/ attachments then the higher damage pistols will be much better.

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KaernLegorah wrote:

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Veehawk wrote:
Somewhat correct, but a little off. I can fire at the speed cap on all attacks (except multi target shot) with a 1.8 speed pistol or faster. I don't have any slower than that so I couldn't tell you about anything higher than 1.8 and up. I have time stamp turned on and my stopping shot with a 1.8 speed pistol caps at 1 second every time. Fan shot, body shot 2 & 3, stopping shot and pbs2 pba 2 all fire at the one second cap for me. I am only a master gunfighter for combat with no speed mods. I only have +74 speed. Turn time stamp on and you can truely see what really happens while in combat.

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First of all, the numbers that I gave were obtained using the DPS calculator here:
http://killyourpc.org/swg/swg_dps.php

Secondly, it's impossible (quite literally impossible) to fire StoppingShot at the speed cap and NOT fire Multi-Target Pistol Shot at the cap. Why? Because MTPS has a delay mod of 3.5, and StoppingShot has a delay mod of 4.0. MTPS will always fire faster than StoppingShot.

1.8 speed * 4.0 (StoppingShot) = 7.2
7.2 * 0.26 (Master Pistoleer speed mod) = 1.872

1.8 speed * 3.5 (MTPS) = 6.3
6.3 * 0.26 (speed mod) = 1.638

So, not only are you firing MTPS faster than StoppingShot, but you're not actually firing StoppingShot at the rate you think you are. It appears that the Combat Log is not an accurate way to measure your rate of fire. Don't know why that would be, but according to what we know about the speed equation you're not firing as fast as you think you are.

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