Pistoleer Archive
Thread: Here's the Stupid thing we did as Pistoleers...
We sent a Pistoleer report in that asked for "twirly" gun moves,the ability to"holster" our weapons, and "please, please, please make us good as Bounty Hunters". An absolute and complete waste of 3 issues that could have been reserved for BROKE SHIAT! Unforgivable in my eyes then, and in retrospect a complete disaster now. We sent the totally wrong impression.
Then we buried our heads in the ground about the fact that Disarm Shot 2 had an effect that it very likely was NOT supposed to have, hoping that the devs would just "overlook" it. We hinged all our hopes on this one special making Master Pistoleer still desirable even though most the other stuff was broken. When I tried to warn youand startdiscussing the matter, all most of you did was flame me.I toldyou it was a house of cards, and it indeedcame all tumbling down.You didn't look at the facts and evidence I brought before you, just flamed. Think I am bitter? You're daamn right I'm bitter.....
Well at least I can surrender Master Pistoleer and 2 Pistoleer lines that are useless. Get UnderhandShot under Bounty Hunter (already have the BH pistol line)and some more Medic stuff. Maybe even surrender most of Pistoleer all together and get the Smuggler pistol line so I dont have to switch weapons for a knockdown.
Good riddance Master Pistoleer, I wont be climbing that tree again. Rotten apples up top.
Did you bother reading the SUBMITTED report? Or just the crap ones the Devs put together completely ignoring half the issues?
Facts and evidence? Pft. Jaegen put up a good report, the devs read it wrong, he has made many a valid point on these boards and explained for those (like yourself) too lazy to read, or even scan the report, what he meant. This is not a Pistoleer issue and acting like you are any different from the millions of other monkeys banging away on type writers is ignorant.
Go doom say somewhere else, to be honest, I won't miss any of these kinds of posts.
ThadeusZade wrote:
We sent a Pistoleer report in that asked for "twirly" gun moves,the ability to"holster" our weapons, and "please, please, please make us good as Bounty Hunters". An absolute and complete waste of 3 issues that could have been reserved for BROKE SHIAT! Unforgivable in my eyes then, and in retrospect a complete disaster now. We sent the totally wrong impression.
Then we buried our heads in the ground about the fact that Disarm Shot 2 had an effect that it very likely was NOT supposed to have, hoping that the devs would just "overlook" it. We hinged all our hopes on this one special making Master Pistoleer still desirable even though most the other stuff was broken. When I tried to warn youand startdiscussing the matter, all most of you did was flame me.I toldyou it was a house of cards, and it indeedcame all tumbling down.You didn't look at the facts and evidence I brought before you, just flamed. Think I am bitter? You're daamn right I'm bitter.....
Well at least I can surrender Master Pistoleer and 2 Pistoleer lines that are useless. Get UnderhandShot under Bounty Hunter (already have the BH pistol line)and some more Medic stuff. Maybe even surrender most of Pistoleer all together and get the Smuggler pistol line so I dont have to switch weapons for a knockdown.
Good riddance Master Pistoleer, I wont be climbing that tree again. Rotten apples up top.
I'm just shocked that the SW:G players were silly enough NOT to remember how horribly this program went in Anarchy Online (they were called "professionals", but it was the same position.)
It's simply another layer seperating what we NEED to enjoy the game from what they actually are willing to give us- We say "most of our specials have no purpose" and they hear, from a corrospondant, "we want twirly guns."
...and YES, I did read the submitted report #1, and just about threw up at the time.
Then I'm at a loss for what you are complaining about... Our first report, had all of the issues in it that we knew of at the time. The devs looked at our first of many reports and picked the crappiest requests from it then said because of that we needed nerfing for not whining enough.....
So... this is a stupid thing Pistoleers did? I'm afraid I'm drawing a blank on where your coming from.
I think it's pretty clear - he's complaining that, "the pistoleer report did not represent the trust matters at the hand for pistoleers, or was far too watered down by eye-candy that no one cared."
Okay, so that's a super-paraphrase, but I certainly think that's what he's saying!
TheMadCoder wrote:
I think it's pretty clear - he's complaining that, "the pistoleer report did not represent the trust matters at the hand for pistoleers, or was far too watered down by eye-candy that no one cared."
Okay, so that's a super-paraphrase, but I certainly think that's what he's saying!
Thank you MadCoder, you have just given me a period of instruction on eloquent simplicity in my choice of words. That is exactly what I was trying to express.
ThadeusZade wrote:When I tried to warn you and start discussing the matter, all most of you did was flame me. I told you it was a house of cards, and it indeed came all tumbling down. You didn't look at the facts and evidence I brought before you, just flamed.
This is what I noticed from most that post here, they don't read or listen. They only care about flaming and how they are right because they have to get over 5 million pistol exp and blah blah when that is not what anyone is talking about.
you sir look at the big picture others just look at, ok I shoot this thing with this pistol and I'll be uber when I get my Ranged AE KD that we are not really supposed to have but I'm in denial.
Fahd Krath Master Bounty Hunter/Master Jedi StalkerNice attitude.
Let me know when your falling sky comes within danger range.
And get some tissues for those tears.
-- YP
We sent a Pistoleer report in that asked for "twirly" gun moves,the ability to"holster" our weapons, and "please, please, please make us good as Bounty Hunters". An absolute and complete waste of 3 issues that could have been reserved for BROKE SHIAT! Unforgivable in my eyes then, and in retrospect a complete disaster now. We sent the totally wrong impression.
Ah, correction there Thad, WE, excluding you, sent what in your *adjective* opinion gave the wrong impression. Your first post to our forum was on 8/2. Sorry to break it to you, you didn't get to flame us back then because you weren't even here. So no, you don't get credit for it. Nor the one after, nor the one after that. Ready to be constructive here yet? I'm ready for it, let me hear your best constructive post without negativity and flames. BROKE SHIAT! ? I suppose you knew something the rest of us didn't back then about broken things other than dodge, DX2, MTPS, and disarming shot1? Maybe you hit mastery way before the rest of us and just kept it to yourself? Clue me in..please. The more I look at it, the more I see even back then we knew most of the broke shiat (to use your words)
Cannot polish a turd? Who talks like that?
In fact, the only thing I ever saw you post constructive on this forum was that dodge was broken and you wanted it fixed. And we even sent that in the first issues post, yeah, that one we did before you even graced us with your colorful language and antagonistic attitude. So I polished your turd for you I think. Correct me, please, if I'm wrong. And please don't be disrespectful, negative, or otherwise spitefully ignorant in your posting, it wastes all our time.
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1. Disarming Shot 1: Seems to just do random HAM damage (redundant). The name is misleading if it's intended to just be a random HAM pool special like the other styles in the stances/grips line. It makes sense to be there, but maybe it's a bit confusing. Folks aren't seeing a big difference between point blank 2 single (tactics 1)and this special, which also raises the question.
2. Multi Target Pistol Shot: Several master pistoleers report that this special seems ineffective/broken.
3. Is there a CAP on pistol accuracy and speed? With the bounty hunter + pistoleer line, some report speed capping at +100. Bug or hard cap?
4. Defenses, like dodge, seem to be fairly ineffective (rarely see a dodge). Same goes for any profession defense we assume. Could this be one of the reasons why professions all seem to be a little too effective overall in ability to kill mobs, and each other, quickly? Any description of what defenses are based on (what is +10?) and what melee and ranged defense is (is it a modifier "to hit") might help. However, in general, defense doesn't seem to kick in very often.
5. Pistols seem to be very similar in overall stats - Even the DX2, the pistoleer special (achieved in the novice pistoleer box) pistol, seems to be out-done by scouts blasters. I suspect that's ONLY because scouts are currently more popular and experimented on, and DX2s are more rare due to that, resources, and being a master level weapon. It is acid damage, which is nice early on. Most "feel" that end game, composite armor will be widely available/affordable, and then acid protection will no longer be an issue, and thus, DX2 will again be a mediocre weapon. As I state above, we don't know since it's not end-game, and heavily experimented, it "seems" to have a slightly higher DPS, but it's something brought up a number of times on this board.
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So what you are saying Jaegen, is that you don't really represent all Pistoleers just the the ones that post on this board?
Then I would say that has been exactly your downfall, by giving in to the absolute superfluous fluff that these guys were asking you to include in your report.
When I posted about Disarm Shot 2 you burried your head in the sand just like the others and dismissed it outright more or less. The problems with Pistoleer have become worse under your watch, not better.