Pistoleer Archive

Haha @ the pet healing nerf. Yeah it sure is cruel to nerf something that could give players 20K xp in 10 minutes. And im a doctor and not even a master - yet i fully understands their reasons and support them. There are 2 kind of MMOG players. Those who can see past short term nerfs for the good of the game and those who cant and want to retain every overpowering ability they may or may not have had out of the box. Im glad you cancelled now you can go back to Counterstrike i think it fits your style better.

And 1 last thing. Why does every idiot who cancels feel they need to write a god **edit** 100 page essay on what is wrong with the game. Just quit already nobody cares about you...

You sir, are a moron.

I am posting this in the Rifleman forum, due to the fact that I play a Rifleman also.

Devs I just wanted to give you a quote from a AC2 board to let you know what us players are going through. I will explain after this quote.

"I too was a fan of AC2. I loved this game. Spent more hours on it then I should have (wife got a little upset sometimes). I had 12 characters, spanning 3 servers. I spent most of my time on my main character, making him into the best tank/healer thre was. I leveled him to the limit. And in the 6 months of playing it was some of the best gaming fun I have ever had.

Then came the nerfs and class re-classing (for lack of better terms). I tried for about 2 months conforming to the changes, even trying using my alts to keep me the game fun. I watched the servers go from 1400 at peek times to 40 at peek times. Watched all my online buddies, and only the real hopefulls stay. But alas, after reading the post after post from the Devs, who just did not seem to get a clue, and seeing the proposed Hero system come. I decided I should spend my time and moneu elsewhere.

When a game becomes more frustrating than fun, and when that game is supposed to be defined by the player base, but instead is molded into the DEVS vision (without hearing the outcried of the players). I believe that no gamer should put up with that. So I left.

So I have to agree that the game (AC2 ) is dieing, and the only thing that will bring it back is new blood. Both in Dev circles and player base, cause (most) of us old-timers are out of here"

End quote

Ok now here are the reason I wrote this.

1.) Nerfing killed AC2, and it is killing SWG. The similarities are are just amazing here. Many of the post here where exactly like the AC2 forums. people are leaving this game in droves. My friends list is empty now, and the only people staying are the hopefulls.

2.) the player base is calling out, and you are not listening. For example. You appointed player correspondants to addrees class needs. my class the TKA main need was lowered ham cost. Instead we got a 900+ ham cost with armour and weapon equiped. Now we are getting a timer. I bought this game , cause the Beta TKA was fun. This TKA is not. The timer is not acceptable.

3.) MMORPG's are defined by the player base. The first sign of a dying game is when a DEV has to say "this is not our vision" Yes you are the creators, but listen to your fans. SWG is the most expensive MMORPG ever yet we are not getting what we are asking for. Part of the 15 bucks a month is listening to our vision.

4.) nerfing begats more nerfing. Every single nerf another class becomes more obviously powerful and thus the nerf whining for the next class begins. Stop nerfing the game for the PvP griefers, without regard to the Pve aspects of this game.

I am not posting this to be a jerk, but to try and help the sinking boat. I want this game to work, and I want this to be the best MMORPG ever. I want to look forward to the space expansion.

Please listen to your player base. Stop taking fun things out of the game that we enjoy.

I have already cancelled my account, and it runs up on the 28th, so I have no idea what will happen to this game after , because I will not be able to check the forums here. (dont really get that either)

Please give me and thousands of people like me a reason to renew our accounts. Please give me a reason to renew my account.

This is my last plea

Thanks for your time

I am posting this in the Pistoleer forum, as I also have a pistoleer.

Devs I just wanted to give you a quote from a AC2 board to let you know what us players are going through. I will explain after this quote.

"I too was a fan of AC2. I loved this game. Spent more hours on it then I should have (wife got a little upset sometimes). I had 12 characters, spanning 3 servers. I spent most of my time on my main character, making him into the best tank/healer thre was. I leveled him to the limit. And in the 6 months of playing it was some of the best gaming fun I have ever had.

Then came the nerfs and class re-classing (for lack of better terms). I tried for about 2 months conforming to the changes, even trying using my alts to keep me the game fun. I watched the servers go from 1400 at peek times to 40 at peek times. Watched all my online buddies, and only the real hopefulls stay. But alas, after reading the post after post from the Devs, who just did not seem to get a clue, and seeing the proposed Hero system come. I decided I should spend my time and moneu elsewhere.

When a game becomes more frustrating than fun, and when that game is supposed to be defined by the player base, but instead is molded into the DEVS vision (without hearing the outcried of the players). I believe that no gamer should put up with that. So I left.

So I have to agree that the game (AC2 ) is dieing, and the only thing that will bring it back is new blood. Both in Dev circles and player base, cause (most) of us old-timers are out of here"

End quote

Ok now here are the reason I wrote this.

1.) Nerfing killed AC2, and it is killing SWG. The similarities are are just amazing here. Many of the post here where exactly like the AC2 forums. people are leaving this game in droves. My friends list is empty now, and the only people staying are the hopefulls.

2.) the player base is calling out, and you are not listening. For example. You appointed player correspondants to addrees class needs. my class the TKA main need was lowered ham cost. Instead we got a 900+ ham cost with armour and weapon equiped. Now we are getting a timer. I bought this game , cause the Beta TKA was fun. This TKA is not. The timer is not acceptable.

3.) MMORPG's are defined by the player base. The first sign of a dying game is when a DEV has to say "this is not our vision" Yes you are the creators, but listen to your fans. SWG is the most expensive MMORPG ever yet we are not getting what we are asking for. Part of the 15 bucks a month is listening to our vision.

4.) nerfing begats more nerfing. Every single nerf another class becomes more obviously powerful and thus the nerf whining for the next class begins. Stop nerfing the game for the PvP griefers, without regard to the Pve aspects of this game.

I am not posting this to be a jerk, but to try and help the sinking boat. I want this game to work, and I want this to be the best MMORPG ever. I want to look forward to the space expansion.

Please listen to your player base. Stop taking fun things out of the game that we enjoy.

I have already cancelled my account, and it runs up on the 28th, so I have no idea what will happen to this game after , because I will not be able to check the forums here. (dont really get that either)

Please give me and thousands of people like me a reason to renew our accounts. Please give me a reason to renew my account.

This is my last plea

Thanks for your time

This is a good post, I totally agree.

Its kinda sad that this will prolly not be read by a single dev...

Another perfect example, the medics and the CH just got the shaft.

"medics will no longer get exp for healing pets"

Boy that was bright. Like a medic will use his hard earned skills to heal a pet now.

Unbelievably stupid nerf. Crap like this is why I and thousands of people are quitting this game in droves

Another perfect example, the medics and the CH just got the shaft.

"medics will no longer get exp for healing pets"

Boy that was bright. Like a medic will use his hard earned skills to heal a pet now.

Unbelievably stupid nerf. Crap like this is why I and thousands of people are quitting this game in droves

Ahhh...the med xp nerf. Now that is a good one. Why did the devs put it in? Dabblers like myself picked up novice medic and had Pharm III FA II in about 30 mins by buying super B and C stims and healing pets.

What is the effect? Medics are not going to invest the time, credits and effort to create stims and blow them on pets unless they are in a group and their own lives are on the line. We could hardly ask them to.

The morale of the story? The intention is good. But the road to hell is paved by good intentions. Seems to be the theme with devs.

By the way, did anyone see that the BH correspondant resigned because of the Eyeshot rework in the works. This should serve as fair warning to all. Shout all you can to bring attention to someone else, but it also brings attention to you. I'm kinda chuckling now seeing that all classes are going to be nerfed to the point that BE, DE and Squad Leader are the most powerful, never nerfed classes in the game.

I think the BH correspondent resigned due to a combination of the flaming on the BH boards and some situations in his real life.

If I had a dollar for every post like this....

Get this through your thick skull : Any MMOG...ANY...will go through its first 4-6 months trying to balance all the aspects of the game. No MMOG is perfect out of the gate. This isnt nerfing its balancing.

I especially like yor #3 comment. Really shows you have no understanding on what it takes to run a MMOG. Caving in to every players wish for his class will give the WORST POSSIBLE OUTCOME and im happy they dont do this.

And about your TKA whine. Your class was wildly overpowered especially in pve. Something had to be done. I saw TKM's after just 7 days retail ffs.

Yeah, i agree with you guys. This game can get to be more frustrating then fun. I think the devs want to do good, but honestly, by the way things get handled, and the current status of all the classes, there's no way there's more then 5 devs working on this game. (lol) Almost every class has major things broken with it. Especially Commando, but pistoleer is pretty broken too. Look at us. None of out defenses work, Most of are specials are practically the exact same (doublt tap, stopping shot, fanshot). BS3 does less damage then BD2, dodge doesn't do !*$@, and our point blank shots are in a word, pointless, because they don't do extra damage, we just don't "suffer penalties"... Now, with all these pretty substantial problems, you might think a small cracksquad of savvy programmers would be working around the clock trying to fix our class! But wait, instead of fixing ANY of our numerous LARGE problems, they nerf disarming shot 2. WTH???

If they fixed all our problems, and nerfed 1 or 2 things in our class in the process, fine, whatever, were fixed, as we were meant to be. But the thing that kills me is the devs aren't even working on us. There's no indication that we'll ever get fixed at all.they simply don't care, their ONLY solution is nerfing things. They don't fix things at all.

Devs, i'm talking to you right now. You charged me 50 bucks for the game, and an additional 15 bucks a month to play it. You are backed by lucas arts and Sony, i have no IDEA why you would be SOOOO freaking understaffed that it's seriously become a joke. All you guys do is make "hotfixes" to nerf whatever specials are slightly overpowered. Stop it, seriously, we want all the classes to be fixed,and for the amount of money you guys are raking up, it's not too much to ask.

Honestly, you guys have so much player input on these forumns it's SCARY. players are making threads and discussing things and correspondents are coming up with completely rational and fair answers to the games pressing problems. Each correspondent is telling you right up front exactly what needs to be fixed, i don't understand why it can't be done within days. Sure, you have a lot on your plate with all the classes, but hey, there's 200,000 players out there shelling out 15 bucks a month. That's 3 million bucks a month. Hire some freakin extra programmers and get it fixed, instead of reading the weekly report and saying, "hmmm.. interesting...". Seriously, the issues are obvious. just fix them. If you really can't deal with this, and all you do is futs around and nerf a few things now and then, you'll havenoplayers, and no one to pay you 15 bucks a month,when the space patch rolls around.

Actually they only sold about 125,000 copies (and that is to vendors, not people)

The servers are empty now, and EVERY single friend I had ever met in SWG and added to my f-list about 40 have quit.

The game is now getting NO-BUY reviews, and still the devs do not listen, and all they do is nerf nerf nerf.

This game is a failure all the old blood is leaving and very little new blood is coming in. It is sad really.

I wanted so much for this game to be great

Tazie,

you are such a idiot I will not even flame you.

There were alot of video game, reality noobs like you on the AC2 forums that said the exact same thing. If I had a nickle for every blind, hopeful, fanboy that thinks that the game is going to last just because of them I would be a millioniare.

And no the past few RPG have not taken 6 months to balance out. SWG is by FAR the worst nerf fest I have ever seen. That is thousands have quit this game. That is why you log in and do not see anyone anymore.

Reread my post especially the point about everyone leaving AC2 except the Hopefulls (that is you).

O well the writting is on the wall anyways, whether you see it or not. RIP SWG

I've played many MMO Games and this is certainly the worst for Nerfings, bugs, etc. Remember, they had an extensive Beta where they actually charged ppl for the priviledge of doing their work for them. This has not changed. We are now simply paying more for the honor of testingan unfinished game. While to blame the devs is somewhat shortsighted. They may well be exceptional coders. The problem is SOE. They should not be allowed to come within 1000yards of any digital media. They are ruining what is likely the best SCI-FI Liscense ever. I still cannot believe they had the audacity to charge for this last month, but until large numbers of pple leave or until someone files a class action lawsuit against SOE, why would they change anything. Much easier to collect money for nothing than to improve themselves.