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I'm 0-4-4-4 BH, This screen is from some pvp, just the combat log since that's what matters.

http://www.sanyork.com/ohya.jpg

Basically what you're looking at is a suedo bh/pistolleer (or whatever he is) get hit with knockdown shot by me, first. Not get dizzy, not get knocked down, then he proceeds to doubletap me with two stopping shots after a knockdown (to which i have no defense to)

More or less he's able to do this for 5 hours straight in bestine. I'm not starting a fight here, I'm just trying to show you that your defense isn't 'useless,' it makes you godlike. Stoppingshot for 500+ twice before people hit the ground..

Anyhow I'm not going to get into the nerf discussion since we all know where that will lead

Enjoy the log of me getting my ass kicked =)

The state defense mods do not work...period.

My guess is your knockdown did not work because of the timer.

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Doctor_Zaius wrote:

I'm 0-4-4-4 BH, This screen is from some pvp, just the combat log since that's what matters.

http://www.sanyork.com/ohya.jpg

Basically what you're looking at is a suedo bh/pistolleer (or whatever he is) get hit with knockdown shot by me, first. Not get dizzy, not get knocked down, then he proceeds to doubletap me with two stopping shots after a knockdown (to which i have no defense to)

More or less he's able to do this for 5 hours straight in bestine. I'm not starting a fight here, I'm just trying to show you that your defense isn't 'useless,' it makes you godlike. Stoppingshot for 500+ twice before people hit the ground..

Anyhow I'm not going to get into the nerf discussion since we all know where that will lead

Enjoy the log of me getting my ass kicked =)

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If you're not trying to start a fight, why post something like this?

Okay but to your question at hand:

1) This is hardly scientific for the following reasons:

-How can you not say it wasn't just luck? It happened once.

-How can you tell this was a straight pistoleer? What other items does he have in his templates? Perhaps he has some TKA in which case his sheer numbers are different than a pistoleer

-How many times did you attack him? Did this happen every time?

-Did you find another pistoleer and do the same sort of test?

2) Without the scientific backing or at least more than "I fought a pistoleer...." type mentality you come across as one of those guys who feels your template should be Super amazing and you got schooled once and are fanning the profession is broken thread.

Seriously man I'm not dumping on you, but this post serves no purpose.

And as far as a good accurate test of our abilities, We're waiting for our new correspondant to get his TC Powers to do some real testing.

Kol is right that the problem could be the timer.

It could also be that every knockdown move has a chance to fail. I fail with PistolWhip a whole lot, so I've tried testing it lately against a friend who has just the Flamethrower line of Commando as well as Creature Handler. Sometimes I fail to knock him down, even though he doesn't have "Defense v. Knockdown".

I suspect that PistolWhip (and FireKnockdown too) has a chance of failing to knockdown the target built into the special. It's going to take me some time to test this though ... I've been busy at work, and I'd like to test the NEW mods on TestCenter first, if I can get the Devs to give me TC access.

One other point ... the guy used FireKnockdown and TorsoShot against you, so he is at least a 0/3/4/0 Bounty Hunter.

The killer move he used against you was the dizzy/KD combo with FireKnockdown, which is a BH Carbine move. All but one of the moves he used against you were BH moves ... apparently he dabbled in one line of Pistoleer to get an additional special.

If the point you're trying to make is that Bounty Hunters are really powerful in PvP and can become more powerful when they dabble in Pistoleer, I agree.

Wow, you died! That's umpossible!!!

Pistoleers defenses make them...GODLIKE? HAHA

Man, you must really suck. And you aren't getting flamed bya Pistoleer, I have never even held the novice pistoleer skill box. I'm a MBH. And to me, all I see is a screenshot of you getting beat. Your FireKD, if it worked every time, would make YOU "Godlike". Give me a break.

Oh no, his stopping shot did a ton of dmg. Wear some armor. His stopping shots hit random pools, hitting health 55% of the time. Notice how he had to hit you again with torso to actually kill you? That tells me that he didn't hit health both times, cutting his DPS in half.

Try shooting another BH (that doesn't have def mods)with FireKD and see if it works everytime. Did it? No? Gee, I wonder why? Not to mention that you are doing piss poor dmg with it. Try using a laser carbine, or something a bit more powerful with AP on it. It works a hell of a lot more of the time than your crappy DH17 or whatever it is you claim to be a carbine. And yes, I know HAM costs on Lasers are oppressive, but if it actually KD's your opponent, you don't have much to worry about.

If you think that state defences dont work, then you are an ignorant MORON. Please **edit** and go test them, they work VERY WELL.

I have 70 knock down defence and i never go down. My bh friend can shoot fire kd 3 times and im still up. I have meled TKM's and NOT BEEN knocked down. Seriuslytest this **edit** befor you say it dosnt work. that bh is just showing you guys what you dont want to hear. The defences we get are working very well.

Yes i am a pistoleer and my charecter has no knockdown attacks at all. (incase you think im biased)

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phantomRyce wrote:

If you think that state defences dont work, then you are an ignorant MORON. Please **edit** and go test them, they work VERY WELL.

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phantomRyce wrote:

I have 70 knock down defence and i never go down. My bh friend can shoot fire kd 3 times and im still up. I have meled TKM's and NOT BEEN knocked down. Seriuslytest this **edit** befor you say it dosnt work. that bh is just showing you guys what you dont want to hear. The defences we get are working very well.

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Let's just say what you're saying is true. You have 70% Defense v. Knockdown. A Pistoleer has 20%. The reason that it might not do much for Pistoleers is that if the defense really prevents you from being knocked down 20 percent of the time, then the Pistoleer will be knocked down 96% of the time if the enemy uses two knockdown specials on them.

I usually try not to flame even when provoked, so I am really holding back.

One you must be clueless in PvP. You are using most probably a CDEF carbine, not even a DH-17.

Two, I see a normal attack in the sequence before you are KDed. So much for timing!!!

Three, I don't see any "armor reduced..." messages. Were you wearing any armor at all?

Four, he is using a BH Carbine 4 and BH Pistol 4, so probably has a template like mine (if so you don't get KD defense till Techniques 4).

FKD misses. GET THAT!!! If it stuck everytime what would be the point?

In the battle between 2 BH's that use KD, first one to make it stick will win 99.9% of the time.

MOST important, you are fighting someone that has more BH skills rather then Pistoleer from the looks of it.

Looks like you are just crying wolf.

I suggest you concentrate on investigation and leave PvP to others, of course seeing your whining and the combat log, the Jedis everywhere are breathing a sigh of relief .

I would say that the defenses work. Whether they are working as intended is a whole different story. I haven't done any testing, but I PvP enough to know that using KD against a TKA rarely works, it's not too bad against Pistoleers, and against everything else, it works the majority of the time.

One thing I *think* might be the BH issue with KD, is that they all tend to use crappy carbines with low HAM costs. When using a laser carbine, my KD seems to work a lot more than with a weaker carbine. The other thing you have to remember, is that KD is not 100%. You'd have to get the actual number from the devs as to how often it's supposed to work against PC's before you can actually get definitive results. I'd test out a lot of stuff, but it's useless if you don't know the numbers for the other variables involved.

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Tanks wrote:

I usually try not to flame even when provoked, so I am really holding back.

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Nah man, you have it all wrong. He wanted to be flamed by Pistoleers. So getting flamed by a couple MBH's for it would have been funny. It's not really flaming when it's ironic

Sadly, you did not hold up your head of the bargain, and I will have to smite you now.

Well maybe it hasnt worked befor but it does now. It just upsets me when peole just assume it dosnt work when it really does.

I have no idea how the state defence formula works, if it is a straight percent then that is just great. Anyways 20% chance to avoid a knockdown is MUCH more helpfull than say 10 more speed. (I've seen people ask for this over the defences...)

100 *(1 - .2) = 80% chance to knock down with 20% resist.

80 * (.2) = 16% chance we resist.

100 - 16 = 84% chance we get knocked down, not 96%.

Ok if he uses 2 consecutive knockdowns you have a 84% chance of surviving. Better then 0, not to mention you can get back up and shoot him for 300-400 dmg with stopping shot and since his hams are so low from spamming you should be able to take him out.

With new mods, assumeing that defences are straight percentage.

100 * (1 - .5) = 50% chance to knock us down and 50% to resist.

50 * (.5) = 25% chance to resist again.

100 - 25 = 75% chance to get knocked down by 2 consecutive knockdowns after the patch, and 25% chance to resist both of them.

We are getting a 50% chance to not get knocked down with this patch, i think that is a VERY nice boost and people need to stop complaining that we dont get anything. We have a ranged 300 - 400 dmg special, that we can fire at 1 sec. 50% chance to resist a knock down. Body hit 3 to target the body pool when needed. A close range kd. And since the rest are bugged i have no idea but, once we are fixed pistoleer will be very powerfull, not that it isnt atm.

(Im pretty sure my math is correct please correct me if im wrong.)