Pistoleer Archive
Thread: Why can't BH's understand this?
This isa quote from another post on this forumn:
Logitition wrote:
Lets look at it this way, if u take a profession like BH. Did u get involved in the profession to hunt bounties or be the best in PvP/PvE? I look at it like this:
You guys are going to be running around to remote places of the planets. U are going to need terrain negotiation and the ability to build camps, to get the small specials on your weapons before u made master u had to have the pistol, carbine, and ranged support columns in marksman.... these things are where your points went to, not your weapons fully when u consider the scout and the marksman was to get u by with thelower skills.the wayI see it - a BH took 2 columnsof pistol and 2 columns of carbine and 1 column of LLC. Yea u can say u had to spend the points to get it... but u did not really spend those points on weapons, U spent those points to harvest, climb terrain,etc.... a pistoleer spends 5 columns in pistol as I see it. he spent less points... but if he takes the scout master like u did and the marksman so he can use rifles and carbines, and kick out supp. fire and warning shotlike u can... then he will spend as much and still not be as good as a BH in carbine or get a LLC ever.
Sup Mapai? Im still on the forums till the 27th, and BH's missions should be fixed. In fact many things should be fixed, but the devs are too busy being worthless.
-Snape, Intrepid
Bounty Hunters talk about how many skill points they spend and that's why they should be gods in PvP. I don't agree. If you're in a shootout with pistols between a Master Bounty Hunter and a Master Gunfighter who should win? The Gunfighter of course! Come on. The BH requires 1,291,000 points of pistol weapons xp to get to Master BH. A Master Gunfighter takes 3,891,000 points of pistol weapons xp! Now who should be better with a pistol??? Come on now. A BH is a better all-around skilled character I think. But as far as a pistol shootout? Master Gunfighter should be the BEST by far! It's all about experience right? If the Pistoleer needs like 3 times more pistol experience to make Master as a BH then he should rule with a pistol. If the Bounty Hunters don't like it, use a carbine or LLC. If those are not a match for the pistoleer, then maybe there are some issues there. But stop trying to say that a BH should be able to beat a Master Gunfighter in a pistol shootout! Don't get too close and use your LLC. That what I would do. If that doesn't work, then there is something wrong there. A rifle should be able to beat a pistol from a decent range any day.
(These numbers might not be exactly right. I got the stats from www.swgcenter.com and they might be a little off. I'm not sure. But they are at least close and in the correct ratio for xp to profession.)
well, I know 1 BH that said that when SOE fixes Investigation and makes master worth it, he'll go back to BH and begin ditching Pistoleer
my real complaint with the BH pistol line is they get a +60 to accuracy and speed,4 total boxes, where a Pistoleer gets +30 accuracy and speed in 8 or 12 Boxes.
this is plain wrong
my proposal to fix BH is here:
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=pistoleer&message.id=24088&page=2
if BH skill tree was taken so and then required Combat Xp, you might have to divide the xp requirement by 10 since you aquire INT(Xp gained / 10) = Combat XP, my proposal also makes use of a BH using a Rifle, they have to learn it, so why can't they use it?
SWG is a game where the devs didn't have a coherent plan for each of the Professions. They do everything to encourage dabbling, they make everyone start with a pistol, except brawler and with many classes requiring/weighting Pistol XP in serious regard and if you want to advance, and want less danger then SOE encourages people to take up pistoleer. Then they state that it's a Dabbler Profession? We're still spending the same Skill Points you would if you took Carbineer or Rifleman so why aren't those 'Dabbler Professions'
I'll tell you, SOE aparrently doesn't want anyone using those weapons, everything is weighted so, so that taking Pistoleer is an obvious, logical choice.
Every Beginning MARKSMAN should get a ranged weapon of choice (CDEF of course), Brawlers should get a choice between thier novice weapons or go unarmed. Scouts should be treated as either (they have to kill to harvest, it doesn't matter how). Everyone else, none. Artisans can make them, the others DO NOT have to kill to advance in thier prospective Professions. Entertainers should get the Novice Instrument (sp), medics should get stimpaks (or something useful and longer lasting, like a cloak with a red cross on it and it gives +5 wound treatment and treatment speed, loses 1 condition per use and has the same condition as a newbie CDEF)
Ivellos wrote:
well, I know 1 BH that said that when SOE fixes Investigation and makes master worth it, he'll go back to BH and begin ditching Pistoleer
my real complaint with the BH pistol line is they get a +60 to accuracy and speed,4 total boxes, where a Pistoleer gets +30 accuracy and speed in 8 or 12 Boxes.
this is plain wrong
my proposal to fix BH is here:
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=pistoleer&message.id=24088&page=2
From that statement, I'll assume you aren't even a BH, because you refer to BH's as "they". If I'm wrong, I'm sorry. But if it's not a class you play, you probably shouldn't be trying to fix it...that includes just taking one line in it, as that's a very limited knowledge of an entire class. Guys, the only BH's whining about pistoleers are just morons. The BH's whining about getting their butts handed to them by whatever profession will whine about everything if they don't always win. Ignore them....
Honestly, Pistoleers should be more concerned about fixing their own profession, rather then trying to balance someone else's. I know your correspondent in game, and we have fought side by side many times. You should focus your posts to help Philosopher1976 get whatever information is necessary to balance your profession, you'd gain much more out of that than you ever will by trying to win a mud slinging contest with some of the kiddies in the BH forums.
Not all BH's are complete morons...but posts like these are mainly just going to bring out the trolls. And that does nothing for either class, except to waste everyone's time.
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Bounty Hunters talk about how many skill points they spend and that's why they should be gods in PvP.
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We think we should be efficient killers.
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Come on. The BH requires 1,291,000 points of pistol weapons xp to get to Master BH. A Master Gunfighter takes 3,891,000 points of pistol weapons xp! Now who should be better with a pistol??? Come on now. A BH is a better all-around skilled character I think. But as far as a pistol shootout? Master Gunfighter should be the BEST by far! It's all about experience right?
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Come on. The bounty hunter requiers 217 skills points to get to master BH. A master gunfighter takes 92 skills points!
It's all about experience? Nan, I don't think so.
If you had the choice of doing your way to master at double xp cost, but half the skill points...you'll surely take the skills points, just because that's the real limit to your abilities.
You can always gain xp, you'll kill critters even after being master in your weapon...but when you hit the 250 SP cap, it's over.
You can be master weaponsmith, master armorsmith AND master gunfighter...having fun, more way of enjoyement, money...and combat abilities (master gunfighter/carbineer/rifleman).
Gunfighter/carbineer/rifleman are part-time profession (92 SP to master), not your way of life. It's not even the half of your life.
What can do a BH or even a commando when he's master? Seriously...think about it.
I'm master doc and on my way to master gunfighter. I can heal everything but fire, I have great buffs, I can sell my stuff...I shouldn't have as powerfull combat abilities as a dedicated combat professions.
I can handle myself in battle, but against professional killers or soldiers, I consider that I must lose most of the time (except if I'm very smart, lucky or having such an advantage like pets or friends)
I've several pistoleer characters, one BH character (trying to master) and that's my point.
Maybe you'll never be agree with it, but I wanted to make it clear...and I think that's the point of many BH.
I hope we could discuss of this without starting a boring flame war.
ok your proffesion takes more experience than ours... you have obviously never tried an invest mission above skill 2 getting 100 xp takes upwards of an hour... think before you post
Arenrag wrote:
Bounty Hunters talk about how many skill points they spend and that's why they should be gods in PvP. I don't agree. If you're in a shootout with pistols between a Master Bounty Hunter and a Master Gunfighter who should win? The Gunfighter of course! Come on. The BH requires 1,291,000 points of pistol weapons xp to get to Master BH. A Master Gunfighter takes 3,891,000 points of pistol weapons xp! Now who should be better with a pistol??? Come on now. A BH is a better all-around skilled character I think. But as far as a pistol shootout? Master Gunfighter should be the BEST by far! It's all about experience right? If the Pistoleer needs like 3 times more pistol experience to make Master as a BH then he should rule with a pistol. If the Bounty Hunters don't like it, use a carbine or LLC. If those are not a match for the pistoleer, then maybe there are some issues there. But stop trying to say that a BH should be able to beat a Master Gunfighter in a pistol shootout! Don't get too close and use your LLC. That what I would do. If that doesn't work, then there is something wrong there. A rifle should be able to beat a pistol from a decent range any day.
(These numbers might not be exactly right. I got the stats from www.swgcenter.com and they might be a little off. I'm not sure. But they are at least close and in the correct ratio for xp to profession.)
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Chrysahor wrote:
For Arenrag
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Bounty Hunters talk about how many skill points they spend and that's why they should be gods in PvP.
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We think we should be efficient killers.
I hope we could discuss of this without starting a boring flame war.
First off, yes .. i think you did a pretty good and liberal post.
Second, BH's ARE the most efficiant killers at the moment, but it seems like everyone just wants to get better and better until the Devs are forced to raise the health, action and mind pools to over 10,000 in order to possibly get hit 3 times without dying, As i would want it is to have BH's and pistoleers at the exact same level... in other words bountyhunter and pistoleers can deliver the same amount of damage with their specials. Though they might affect different pools
I have always stated that the only advantage the bountyhunter should have is his stealth ablilities and when finally deciding to attack a target he can fire away atleast 2 shots before the enemy can get a fix on him. Thus the BH fire power has no need in being over powered and the best skilled in carbine or pistol weapons.
That is my dream, but i'm guess it will never happen 
"As i would want it is to have BH's and pistoleers at the exact same level..."posted by Reon.
If you spend 92 pts and i spend 217 points you should not be at the same level as me. If you are equal to me with 92 skill points spent and i have 217 spent, What happens when you spend another 100 points? Your going to blow me away completly.