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Last time I looked at the bounty hunter skill tree, a lot of those 217 points were going into things other than pistols.

If you want to chase me around the canyons of Tatooine where my lack of scout terrain negotiation slows me to a crawl, you should win.

If you want to use your full arsenal of carbines, LLCs and pistols and hound me like human scumwhile I stick to my single FWG5 pistol and try to get a lucky mindhit, you should win.

But if you want to stand outside the starport in Coronet and go pistol v. pistol and just spam eyeshot with your scatter gun until I fall over? You should lose.

"If you want to chase me around the canyons of Tatooine where my lack of scout terrain negotiation slows me to a crawl, you should win.

If you want to use your full arsenal of carbines, LLCs and pistols and hound me like human scumwhile I stick to my single FWG5 pistol and try to get a lucky mindhit, you should win.

But if you want to stand outside the starport in Coronet and go pistol v. pistol and just spam eyeshot with your scatter gun until I fall over? You should lose." Uhg cant remember name sorry.

Anyways thank you. This is probobly the best explanation I have gotton from a pistoleer, mabey its been posted beforI dunno im not here often.

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Fleiwia wrote:

"As i would want it is to have BH's and pistoleers at the exact same level..."posted by Reon.

If you spend 92 pts and i spend 217 points you should not be at the same level as me. If you are equal to me with 92 skill points spent and i have 217 spent, What happens when you spend another 100 points? Your going to blow me away completly.

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So the skill pointsis the only argument why pistoleer "MUST" be under powered the BH?

Actually, why do we even bother to comparetwo drasticly different professions? It doesn't make any sense !!

This isnt a flame.........................................................................................

just a statement of fact that i said many times but i see new bounty hunters here who are misinformed so i will say it again for them

A master of weapons is a elite professional soldier...The perfect killing machine asa society can make them..that covers master rifleman/carbiners/pistoleers/commandos...and the melee professions.which could be seen as Assassin's

A bounty hunter is less...MUCH LESSinSTAND up combat than any of those classes because they have to spend so much time and resources and training on things other than combat skills as their skill tree shows

As it stands bounty hunter are overated in combat by 400% or more

Actually a BH is nothing more than a police officer for petes sake with no combat training at all....if he does have any he had to learn it on his own.There isnt a west point for bounty hunters!......... He is a A Rogue Cop who gets paid by clients to arrest criminals instead of wearing a blue suit and getting paid by the public to arrest criminals

All the combat skill trees prove this by experence if you only look at them

What the bounty hunters need is a much more enriched invistigation line and missions which actually let them be BOUNTY HUNTERS because they are not combat professionals

OR..........Heaven forbid

To actually EARN there awesome combat capabilitys with the CORRECT amount of weapons and combat XPs so they can trash other characters and be justified in doing so....meaning if you want to trash a master pistoleer with a pistol you should have to earn more pistol XPs than a master of pistols !

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Skill points dont make skill they define what you are

EXPERENCE makes skill

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This is how it should be but is BASS AKWARD'S right now

somehow SOE thinks skill points make skill and not experence ......totally fubar thinking on their part which seems to confuse most beings in this game human and alien...

But here is one last point i want to make

If you are hung up on skill points as the FACTOR in who should be the baddest in a fight look at these skill points

Consider a pistol fight with the same pistol lets choose a scout blaster which a BH and master pistoleers can both use.......anything not related to actual pistol use is not considered in my numbers because they have nothing to do with using a pistol

The master pistoleer has65 skill points in pistol weapons

The master Bounty hunter has41 skill points in pistol weapons

If you want to add master marksman into these numbers fine but remember the master pistoleer can have master marksman too so the number spread will be close to the same

with master marksman MP 71 skill points

with master marksman MBH 41 skill points

The MP has more pistol skill points so a MP should bebetter in a pistol fight over a MBH

REMEMBER all those other skill points DEFINE who you are not how experenced you are!

Leva Oripa

Master Pistoleer-Flurry

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just a statement of fact that i said many times but i see new bounty hunters here who are misinformed so i will say it again for them

A master of weapons is a elite professional soldier...The perfect killing machine as a society can make them..that covers master rifleman/carbiners/pistoleers/commandos...and the melee professions.which could be seen as Assassin's
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Here is where we disagree.
For me, a perfect killing machine is someone who devote all his life, all his knowledge (250 SP)to the fight. Rifleman/carbineer/pistoleer devote 92 SP...it's a part time job in my mind...they're still able to have a decent live with another elite profession (master WS, CH and so on).
Squad leader devotes more SP to be a soldier than rifleman/carbineer/pistoleer. Those tree should be good self-defense way for someone who's not a soldier.
Like if in RL I learn kung fu, sure I could kick some asses...but a navy seal surely kicks mine. He spends his live to the fight, me only 2 days a week...but I spend my live to learn/do my job, and that's not fighting. BTW, the navie seal won't be able to stand by me in my job.

For a BH, scout is no more than a waste...points sinking to limit their power (it's stand for all elite hybrid professions, unarmed doesn't give any goodies to commandos). What kind of bounty hunter need exploration or survival in the Star Wars univers? They live in their ship...not in camps, track bounties with speeders, catch up them with jet packs...not terrain negociation.

Now I understand your point, but I just disagree. And with what's above, I hope you understand my point (even if you disagree too ).
BTW, I want to say that a BH/commando must not be allmighty. They're pretty well rounded in fighting but doesn't know all the tricks. In the game, I think that's why they've less skills for each weaponsie. 3 skills in the BH pistol tree...how much in the pistoleer's?)

Have a nice day.

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Shadow2k wrote:

Honestly, Pistoleers should be more concerned about fixing their own profession, rather then trying to balance someone else's.

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Honestly, BH should be more concerned about fixing their on profession instead of asking for screen shot's of one shot kills on them from other professions to have them nerfed and asking BH's to take up the pistoleer branch up to Stopping Shot and wearing the pistoleer tag to have us nerfed. That's what I honestly think. It works both ways...doesn't it.

In the class balance wars, the skill point requirement for a BH wouldn't be an issue if they didn't require so many USELESS skills for a BH to train in. In terms of 'raw' hunting effectiveness, you can throw out the rifle skill requirements in the marksman tree (since LLC is a heavy weapon)and practically all of the scouting skills which are more attuned to CH and Ranger type classes. Therefore, since diversity is a non issue to a MBH, they deserve to have a class very self sufficient and not even worry about losing their option to dabble.As soon as the new CH changes go in, I'm giving up BH and becoming a pistoleer/CH/medic. Without question, that combo would outlast a BH any day, in PvE and PvP and for roughly the same skill points. Like it or not,250 skill points is your source of power to do what you want. The BH case is simple, if you spend nearly all of your points in developing one elite class, it should be a class that should be self sufficient and of course powerful, but right now they are dropping like flies from effective triple-combo professions or even just a well-armored combat medic. This shouldn't be the case.Since the Devsonly plan to nerf them more (thanks to many crybaby whines), I'm giving it up, gonna spend my points THE WAY I WANT TO and become more powerful then any BH out there.

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frkjerm wrote:

last i checked, a soldier at any levels trainins in more than 1 weapon, and not just in weapons training. from you post i would say you have it backwards. A BH is more of a soldier, and a Pistoleer is more of a Joe Schmoe That know how to shoot a pistol.

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Actually, a soldier learns to use one weapon, not several. Depends on what you go in for. They are trained mostly for one, rarely do they receive any training at all for their sidearm use which is their second weapon. You never see them getting drilled on how fast they can take apart and put back together their H&K 45. My uncle was in the army, he loves the rifle, he is a big hunter for deer, he can also shoot a pistol which he does alot for boar hunting. I on the other hand, shoot for sport in competitions, I prefer the pistol over the rifle, I can outshoot him with a pistol, not with a rifle because I do not like rifles as much. Just because you know how to use both doesn't mean that your better on both, it just means that you have knowledge on both. Bounty Hunter schmoe might be my uncle, sure he knows his pistol, if I give him mine, he'll miss the target every time. Me on the other hand, avid gunlover, If you give me any pistol, after 4 shots, I'll learn it's mark and hit my target every time.

So, if your trying to say that a BH knows more about a pistol thena pistoleer, your wrong.

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LevaOripa wrote:

A master of weapons is a elite professional soldier...The perfect killing machine asa society can make them..that covers master rifleman/carbiners/pistoleers/commandos...and the melee professions.which could be seen as Assassin's

A bounty hunter is less...MUCH LESSinSTAND up combat than any of those classes because they have to spend so much time and resources and training on things other than combat skills as their skill tree shows

As it stands bounty hunter are overated in combat by 400% or more

Actually a BH is nothing more than a police officer for petes sake with no combat training at all....if he does have any he had to learn it on his own.There isnt a west point for bounty hunters!......... He is a A Rogue Cop who gets paid by clients to arrest criminals instead of wearing a blue suit and getting paid by the public to arrest criminals

All the combat skill trees prove this by experence if you only look at them

What the bounty hunters need is a much more enriched invistigation line and missions which actually let them be BOUNTY HUNTERS because they are not combat professionals

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last i checked, a soldier at any levels trainins in more than 1 weapon, and not just in weapons training. from you post i would say you have it backwards. A BH is more of a soldier, and a Pistoleer is more of a Joe Schmoe That know how to shoot a pistol.

can we stop lumping BH all together, please?

So.....why are we attacking each other over this?

BH's are not to blame for any flaws in the Pistoleer tree, and Pistoleers are not to blame for any flaws in the BH tree.

Every proffession has issues. Turning on each other and saying "Yeah, but....." is not going to solve anything.

"they are stronger than us....we should be the strongest...."

We should be looking for a solution rather than headbutting each other.

Brothers in Arms, no?

Has any one seen a master pistoleer vs BH pistol 4 or 3

the BH has no defence to pistol melee and if the pitoleer is a smuggler they may as well quite then cause stun will take have the fight and mind shoot aint that good in this new world of 55 base composite armor.but BH's can use there trust tangle i have one with 130 dam ya hoo

im a Bh pistol 4 and 0334 pistoleer and b4 i got my pistol skills in pistoleer i was meat for kd and stoping shot.

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