Pistoleer Archive

Ok first apologies for the title I chose something flaming to make sure you guys would read it (yeah ok its a cheap shot!)

To be honest Ihad a hard time choosing between a BH and a Pistoleer/TK combo,only the extensive time I had invested in the scout skills made me stick with the BH class and I hold the pistoleer in high regards.

Nevertheless when I hear you guys always complaining that you should be "better" than the BH and that you should be able to use "any" pistol here my antennas start buzzing.

1. About THE gun

The scatter pistol is a bounty hunter specific weapon, you guys have yours. We don't have access to the DX2, only you guys do. Each combat professions in the game has its "signature" weapon. I want to use the DX2, I took novice pistoleer. You want to use the scatter? take novice BH!

Also the scatter (and its the pistol I use I know what I am taking about!) is not a precision tool. If pistoleer are precision shooters well think of the scatter as a sawn off shotgun. high ham cost, average speed, but significant constant damage. Not exactly a sharpshooter weapon.

2.About the SKILLS

Yes if we only apply mathematics, the BH tops the pistoleer inaccuracy and speed. Yes. and so??????

We told you from te start that BH is the most combat oriented profession!!!

Two things to consider here nevertheless. First the BH has NO defensive bonus. NONE, NADA, ZIP. The pistoleer profession turns a char into a 9 lived cat with dodging, knockdown resist added range and melee resist, you name it! in defensive the pistoleer class is second only to the TK one! Second the master BH is left with 33 points when done. Oooooook! what do you take, well Medic. and the next guy? well medic. and his neighbour? well medic and maybe novice CH. After mastering pistoleer you guys are still ahead of a bulkload of points you cna use to even improve on your character's strenghts!

I am sorry to have to disagree here, but the Bounty hunter should be superior to the pistoleer OFFENSIVELY. Which they are. You guys are just running in circles around us when in comes to defense.

Now with this said I also second you guys requests.

1. your special moves need a huge lifting and fast!

2. your defensive bonuses should actually be more felt. (X value of dodging points should be felt,you should be the "diving behind the bar class.)

Sorry if it came out as a flame since it wasn't my intention. Just tried to bring the BH side of the story in perspective, but like every story as far as versions, there's yours, mine and the truth.

Dimitrius.

Bounty Hunter -Corbantis

Who knows what the real goals are, talk about combat oriented is a moot point. I promise if I chose to master rifle/carbine/pistol, I'd have spent far, far, far more XP on fighting and offense than a BH, so "combat oriented" is in a way a matter of choice. Meanwhile, you mastered scouting and investigation lines...who spent more points on being a weapons/offense specialist? How about pistoleer/commando? That's a pretty offensive choice and commando too has very little defense..but also doesn't drop points into master scout (non-offense)....

I do agree our specials are lacking, testing that right now actually showing some pretty pathetic results. Indeed we can both grab skills from one another's tree, so in some ways it isn't mission critical that everyone is 100% happy if they only choose 1 (grass is always greener). Dodge also seems to be lacking, anddefense in genreal (knockdown rests? Heh) as you mention, it's in our last report, and Im testing that now so we have some hard data to submit.

Both pistoleer and BH should be effective in their own right however, and I think to some degree they actually are....when defense and our specials are figured out. It would have been far simpler if bounty hunters had "bounty weapons", like commando heavy weapons", and enough acc/spd in those trees alone to offset the lacking of stacking from marksman. Would have kept pistols with pistoleers, and bounty hunters would have their own toys (LLC, hand cannon, medium cannon, etc.), and we'd avoid having BH/pistoleer and BH/carbine hybrids running around...not that given the current choice makes that bad, I think it just takes away from the professions and their mastery titles. It would have been more interesting too I'd imagine. BH's would have their own toys that no one else uses...and pistoleerswouldn't see BH's running around doing more effective specials with theirchosen weapon of MASTERY.

I think most bounty hunters would actually agree to have their "abilities" restricted to specific types of weapons. Nevertheless a lot of our complaints and most of you can see why comes from the fact that our template is already pretty much a cookie cuter. Not much room to navigate around. Would the restriction of havinfg to fall between the guidelines of specific weapons reinforce that (not mentionning that THE one weapon BH specific, the light lightning cannon is plagued by the same downfalls as are the commando's ones)?

As far as stacking I don't see a problem. Having to grind the entire Marksman profession should bear benefits. Now if somebody came to tell me that Torso shot was now restircted to the scatter pistol since its a feature of the weapon you mastered not an abitilty yes I could see why. maybe it would avoid most Bounty Hunter (me included!) the walking armory syndrome where we all pack at least 2 pistols, 2 carbines, one rifle, etc.......

Again I want to insist. The BH HAS the offensive advantage thats true, but defensively they have whatever they collected in the ranged weapon support tree and that is it, and only 33 points once done to try to correct that situation.

One thing I would like to mention though is since the knockdown effect is cause to much tears. I would advocate for a master level pistoleer ranged knockdown somewhat similar to the BH underhand shot (exept that with the low HAM cost of the pistol this would be quite a reward and befitting a master), a kneecap shot maybe???

Well your title is miss worded but your ideas pretty much fall in line with mine. I think the classes will be more balanced when/if the devs fix the dodge/defense stuff. When you really look at it if these were effective a master pistoleer would have a decent chance at a Bounty Hunter.

Also I think the complaint about the Scatter (and im speaking from a completely uninformed position, which is always good) is that the gun works exceptionally well where our DX2 is only moderatly ok, I mean in most situations its better to use a FWG or Scout rather than the DX2.

The problems with the Pistoleer pale in comparison to the Commando. My opinion on that topic is that the Commando should do more raw damage than anything in the whole game, and with their charged weapons (i.e. Rocket Launcher, Heavy Particle Beam, etc) they should do ridiculous damage because they are CHARGED! only five shots with a rocket launcher!? That thing better level a guy, regardless of armour, class, anything. Give it a huge delay, huge cost to make, but just an ass load of damage. Personally I wouldnt be offened as a Pistoleer if the Commando took precedent, talk about a broke ass proffession.

Dont even get me started about the commando.. i just saw the latest news about the so called fixes they are about to put in for the class... its disgusting.. the commando class is a worthless piece of crap.. and i know i plan on getting the hell out of it while i can.. i was hoping to get some insight as to one of the elite weapon classes, and im thinking of pistoleer.. far less cost of points.. and i enjoy fighting with a pistol.. any ideas for a broke ass commando?.. would love to hear some thoughts on it.

It is rediculous to have a Hybrid class that is better then the full fledged class. Ok, so you say the BH should have better pistol speed/accuracy than a pistoleer, better speed/accuracy than a carbineer, AND their own heavy weapons? Thats a Hybrid of 3 classes!!! Since when is a Hybrid supposed to be better than a full fledged class...well they are not. And that sir is why everyone and their mother is a BH now. They will be nerfed eventually, just another flavor of the month.

Well, I certainly do agree that we are scrapping for seconds...when the commando got the hearty helping of "your profession is broken". In fact, I think aside from some major specials and defense issues that will probably be soon fixed, pistoleers are fairly straightforward. No crafting (a major source of bugs), very well tested in beta (commando/BH heavy weaponwas not), and no special missions with potential bugs(bounty hunter).

So what if we are not ask good as BH's; we should not be. To get novice BH you need to be a master scout and a master marksman. For us we only need to finish one line of marksman. That makes it over 8 times tougher to qual for the novice BH than for the novice Pistoleer skill. So they should be able to beat us at our own game at teh same level, but we should be way further up the skill chart than a BH with the same exp points. So in my opinion this is rock solid and fair. I would consider Pistoleeer a middle tier profession with BH, Commando an the like benig far above an I am happy that the middle tier exists.

I'm getting close to mastering Pistoleer, and i se thing wrong with it at all... Other then broken skillz, nothing needs adjusting in my eyes.

OmniBlue, you're not my friend anymore and i cant bear it.

Bounty hunter should be the most powerful class overall inone on oneif they are smart! Read-they use all weapons to their fullest potential and in the proper situation. A Bounty Hunter who only uses a pistol against a Pistoleer? He should be destroyed without pause....

I have a huge problem with the Bounty Hunter exceeding our class in any pistol ability (even speed by +1). Doesn't make sense. You can argue all you want about " well, we hunt 4,000,000,000 HAM marks so we need it!" all you want...still doesn't make sense. If I sit in my backyard on the Dune Sea and snipe Womp Rats for 12 hours a day, while you sit in your backyard on Mandaloria and snipe Mynocks for 2hours with pistol, 2 hours with carbine, 2 hours with a rifle and then sit and set traps for 2 hours then set up camps for 2 hours and then skin animals for 2 hours THEN IN NO WAY SHOULD YOU EXCEED ANY OF MY SKILLS WITH A PISTOL. PERIOD. Should you be close in ability? Yes. Should you be comparable? Maybe. Should you be better or have specialized skills? NO...

Common sense dictates that we should be the best with pistols. Maybe yourbounty missions need tweaking. But Pistoleer needs tweaking to EXCEED bounty hunter in pistol accuracy, speed, and the addition of Eye Shot. To say you should be "Uber" in one on one?! No, you should be uber in analyzing your mark, deciding the best course of action and then implementing it.

Example-Identify Mark as a pistoleer, move out to 64m, equip Lightning Cannon (or Carbine)....AND FRY HIS A$$$

Seeing as this is turning into a pissing contest I see 1 reason why A bh should be better than Pistoleer and that is the skill points needed to become a bh. A *MASTER*bounty hunter gets 33 skill points after it is all said and done, pistoleer gets how many? Be a medic for gossake, or something that might help you. YOU HAVE more than enough points to be able to take on something that could help you in your "fight against the BHs" I used to want to be a pistoleer, but then I saw the light and ran from it. yes yes, we have heard the arguments "we spend more time getting xp for our profession... THAT is because that is all you do. If you want to nerf something, nerf Pistol whip. all of you people crying for nerf, CONSIDER what you must give up to be a Bounty Hunter (skill points). For all of you that are about to flame me for this, post your response on the Bounty hunter board because I try to stay away from boards that just sit around and complain.

Thats my two credits on that.

Bounty hunters are better than pistoleers because we spend way more skill points. Tell me, what's the point of being a bounty hunter if a pistoleer/carbineer/rifleman is better? There isn't one.

I spend 213 skill points, you spend 80. I deserve what I get.

Ok.. Bountyhunters are Meant to be ELITE. Do you really expect that boba fett could be bested by a simple smuggler like Han Solo? NO otherwise people wouldnt *fear* bountyhunters.

"You boys are either ignorant or just plain stupid"

I could say the same about everyone who has flamed me. My argument is that bountyhunters in no way are represented the way they should be. Usually bounty hunters have been training with weapons their whole lives (boba fett). So before I have to report more abuse to the moderators, try to have some tact when talking to me. Again I invite you to stop whining and come POST on the BH board.