Pistoleer Archive
Thread: The reason why the Bounty Hunter MUST be better than the Pistoleer.
"Ok.. Bountyhunters are Meant to be ELITE. Do you really expect that boba fett could be bested by a simple smuggler like Han Solo? NO otherwise people wouldnt *fear* bountyhunters."
Boba Fett was the most feared bounty hunter in the galaxy. You aren't. End of story. How "elite" were Zuckuss and Dengar? Hell, Bossk was pretty incompetent, and he was one of the better ones.
Well, good job. Attack me personally since you have no ground to stand on.
Yep, you nailed me. Im a spoiled rotten child.
Now address the DEBATE....if you can, which is doubtful
Lashkor wrote:
Bounty hunters are better than pistoleers because we spend way more skill points. Tell me, what's the point of being a bounty hunter if a pistoleer/carbineer/rifleman is better? There isn't one.
I spend 213 skill points, you spend 80. I deserve what I get.
This argument is used so often, but it makes no sense whatsoever. BHs do not spend more points on pistol use at all. The spend points on carbines, rifles,harvesting, camp building, trapping and god knows what else. All things that should not make them betterat using pistols.
Soif a Pistoleer chooses to be a Master Pistoleer/Master Scout/Master Marksman as his choice of 3 professionshe now shares 154 points with a Master BH. This mean that the BH's63 points are now worth more than the Pistoleer's63 points at using a pistol (which makes no sense). And in reality we know that only 21 of those skill points actually did all the work of besting the Pistoleers63 points.
So for spending 21 points on different pistol skills than a Pistoleer who spent 63 points on pistol skills, you certainly don't deserve better performance. That's just silly.
And to answer the question of what's the point of being a BH, I'm all for giving them as many upgrades as it takes to make them a very popular and viable profession after we take away the pistol and carbine lines that are stepping on too many toes. I have some great ideas on things to do with the BH profession, but this discussion is on how unbalanced the BH pistol line is.
I'd like to address the poster that who made the point about BH filling 2 tree's in pistol and pistoleers filler 5. Let's look at this more directly: First, we'll discard 1 for each since they're both in marksman which leaves 1 and 4. Next we'll discard 1 tree from pistoleer because its derived from combat exp which isn't based on any particular weapon. That leaves 1-3 = 1225000 : 3675000 or a net increase of 2450000 more pistol weapon exp than a BH. Now this seems pretty convincing for a pistoleer to be more pistol intensive than a BH. Now assuming said BH was a master (since that exp advantage is for a master pistoleer) he would have had to climb the investigation tree. That tree takes 34000 experience for which you get 1/100 of every credit you receive (ie 7143 credits = 71 exp). At this pace I would had to have done 498 missions. Now after I had filled carbine and pistol I used pistol exclusively for BH missions. Each mission yeilded roughly 4500 in pistol experience. At that pace to fill investigation I would have received 2241000 pistol experience.
In conclusion, based on the argument that pistoleers use the pistol more or have to fill up more trees I say you can be 9% more proficient with a pistol than a BH. Figuring in 2 knockdowns + defenses (BH get no pistol knockdowns nor defense) I think its a pretty good trade off not having that +1 speed or whatever it is pistoleers constantly gripe about.
BTW: after getting 2k exp in investigation I'm dropping BH and reverting back to pistoleer. Based on my avg investigation pace vs avg pistol exp pace, I could easily make 9000000 pistol exp in the same time as 34000 investigation.
We can manipulate the stats to make ourselves have more credibilty. The bounty hunter uses more skill points to get to master bounty hunter. Thus leaving them with only 33 points to dabble into a secondary profession. Pistoleer does not have to worry about that and they usually go eslewhere with those remaining points. In order for a bounty hunter to get master status he has to sacrifice a lot of points in other lines he could skill in. Thus the argument of why a bounty hunter should have more power.
But here is my twist and its something i have used quite often. Master pistoleer/carbineer/rifleman have defenses that a bounty hunter does not. If any of those get jumped by one its over... Now the converse of that would still give the same result. As of right now the cries for nerfing and such is not valid due to the limited to almost nonexistant presence of Master pistoleer/carbineer/rifleman. When all of us are at the peak of where we want to be we should then take account for the skills each profession has and the impact they have on pvp. If you get knocked down right now by a bounty hunter or get 2 shotted with eye shot, ask yourself one thing.. What was I doing up to the point of being attacked. Most of my targets are not paying attention and then they decide to try to attack me after they lose the overt status. If you try to go toe to toe with someone higher up in their profession then you are with yours you will lose.. I lose all the time on my server by a pistoleer who is very potent with stopping shot.. But you dont see me crying nerf, I chalk it up as the person had better tools to get the job done. One more thing to think about. Bounty hunters have the tools to be very deadly in the short surprise attacks, If its a drawn out fight the three above professions come out ahead due to the defenses they get that bounty hunters dont. But since very few have those defenses, bounty hunters are overpowered and we need to nerf them until we can dominate them.
But no matter how or how much i type about all this the louder voices will eventually be heard. It;s the people who cry nerf and those who strive to get the cookie cutter templates that make the games fizzle out.. I just hope that people will understand you are not forced to play any certain profession. If you feel that yours cannot do what you wanted move on to one that can..
Nice to see that everyone is capable of making stupid generalizations. I would hope that most people would know that generalizations can get you in trouble. If not I say get out of the basement and start making some.I didn't say I wanted to be a Fett clone.Nor did I expect to beable to take out groups of people. NO way would I ever ask to be put on that level. And as for getting mandalorian armor, peh no thanks. I would rather have some armor that would make me not as high profile as that. I am merely referencing the fact that bounty hunters are supposed to be somewhat above what normal fighters should be, as well as feared.
I used to want tp be a pistoleer, but I wanted some sort of game play action after I made it to master than just going hunting all of the time. Actually in all honesty I was a smuggler... I was almost up the slicing tree and spice tree before I realized the smugger profession was just another artisan profession, not smuggling at all. So I dropped if for something that was more, "me" if that makes me a follower because I am now doing something that makes me excited to log on, fine. I would rather enjoy the game then sit around complaining because aBH killed me when I was anewbie. Imight come back to pistoleer once the space expansion comes out (assuming its not twitch).
If the Devs were to hit bounty Hunters with a nerf bat, I would hope they wouldtake out someof the requirements (i.e. scouting... almost pointless in terms of BH). I know for a fact that TKAs are trying to get you guys nerfed so I am sure you know the feeling. It is easy to get defensive when you have poured your time and effort into getting something hard, and wasting 222 skill points, (I consider myself a casual player ) only to have it nerfed by a bunch of whiners.If you are going to say, Josth, I could make BH in a Day, I wouldsay hey, thats great. I could make pistoleer in half a day.
Anyway to those elitists on this board, Please continue to flame me, and make broad generalizations about both me as well as everyone NOT in your profession.
Side note, 
Gypsy13 needs an attitude adjustment or needs to grow up
I disagree 110% that BH's should be better then the Pistoleer(using pistol at least). I am not sure I need to get into my huge post that I posted on this already but if you want I will.
In short, bh's are a mix of clases. Scout does not make u better @ shooting a pistol in ANY WAY! It benefits tracking, not shooting speed or accuracy. So you mastered marksman, big whoop. That is not a elite skill. BH is not a elite skill. In the guide it lists BH as hybrid. It is not supposed to be uber. It is a mix of professions, so to speak the jack of all trades. Just b/c you saw the Fett's does not mean that all BH's are as amazing as they were in fighting. Get over it, if you think that you need tons of moves and speed to kill your 12k HAM targets then ask for anerf in your targets. Examining this from a pvp standpoint shows your profession is broken. Your eye shot is as lethal as almost any of the Pistoleer specials. And a far ranged knockdown?
Guys, sit back and think about this. Most of your ideals are based upon the fett's in the movies. What about greedo? He was shot by Han Solo and killed rather easily. BH's are not supposed to be the more lethal @ pistol then the pistoleer. So you dont got as much defense as a pistoleer, so? Your further ranged knockdown means u can run more then 10m ahead of a pistoleer and just spam knockdown. Do a knockdown, they spam eye shot, bye bye pistoleer. With the far knockdown range all it takes is 1 good knockdown and we are finished.Then to top it off speed and accuracy, BH is superior(referring to purely speed and purely accuracy, not standing on your head or sitting in a swamp accuracy, plain accuracy).
I am on ahazi. Last i checked there is no master bounty hunters. Due to one reason only. the LLC is not available on the server.
I don't see why this is so difficult. A bounty hunter kills PEOPLE. Where is it said explicitly that a pistoleer kills people? Are you telling me an olympic marksman who does nothing but shoot little circular targets with a custom weighted pistol will kill a man at the same proficiency as someone who's defined LIVELIHOOD is to kill a man? The rationel makes no sense to me. All that scouting and other noncombat nonsense they make BHs do? I've said it before, think of it as boot camp. In 12 weeks at PI, I spent 3 weeks firing an M16 and the rest setting up camp, learning to live in the field, drilling....non combat specific skills. Are you telling me someone who spends 1 third of their day in that same 12 week peroid firing an M16 is going to have the same probability of killing a man that I will? A deer or a beer can sure.
This is moot anyway. Stop complaining what you don't have or what someone else has and focus and implement what you DO have.
You most definitely saw Expert Bounty Hunter. they have mastered the 4 levels of pistol to get that title.