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Thread: Pistols are you kidding me

TarannisBane
Sat May 01, 2004 2:02 pm
#1
Ok I just dont get as a a psitoleer why is that we cant use every pistol in the game.


We are the only class that has weapons that only we can use yet there are sub classes of pistols that are for spifice classes only IE launcher and scatter.


As a master carbaneer you can use any carb in the game. The slug througher the dx2 the elite all of them.


As a rifleman you can use all the rifles in that game the dx2-b the new bizzerker the laser rifle anything.


But us that masters of the pistol cant. I dont understand.


As a pisitoleer we also get the shaft on skills. Yes i know there broke. But the best over all pistol shot in the game Lastditch a smuggler skill. The best pool only pistol shot eyeshot a BH only pistol shot.

Now here are 2 classes that need to spend only the the min in pistol training IE pistol 4 in marksman to get one of the best pistols in the game and the best shots in the game. Yes I know they need to do other things to get to this lvl but I am talking about pistols here so yes I know you mastered scout and I know you did unarmed 4 but really is a reather small feet with an awsome reward.


I am not asking for the best shots in the game but I dont see why we cant use all the pistols. And I also dont see why we cant get pool only shots like one for action and one for mind its all random or heath only. I am a dead eye I guess that means if i aim for the body I am dead on but dont shot at the head or legs come on really though.



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Cinergy
Sat May 01, 2004 4:09 pm
#2
The best overall pistol shot in the game is in no way Last Ditch UNLESS you have master pistoleer for the speed boost. IF you are a smuggler without pistoleer all you will do is miss a lot and fire slowly. So smugglers have a high damage attack....its random HAM and like I said slow as hell without pistoleer. I would say the best pistol shot in the game is either healthshot 2, eyeshot or fanshot.



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TarannisBane
Sat May 01, 2004 4:55 pm
#3

The stun alone makes it worth the wait and this is a pistoleer form so I was asuming we were all on that page that we had these speed to off set that but wait is this the pistoleer page oh yes it is.



So yes I will say it again Last ditch is the best pistol skill and eyeshot is the best single pool skill.





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Datchery
Sat May 01, 2004 5:50 pm
#4
I will have to disagree with you on this, if you're going to compare different shots you must first consider the bonuses granted by the trees leading up to them, as such, a bounty hunter with eye shot will be firing faster and more accurately than a smuggler with last ditch, furthermore, a master bounty hunter would have more speed and accuracy than a master smuggler/master pistoleer so the eye shot is still firing faster and hitting more often, and that easily outways the damage bonus to last ditch which, at best, is still going to hit pools randomly.
Datchery
Sat May 01, 2004 5:55 pm
#5
Also, the reason we don't have the launcher pistol is that it's not actually a pistol. It uses pistol mods, yes, but it grants heavy weapons xp (thus it exists only so that commandos have a weapon they already have mods for which they can use to earn the only xp they really need.)


As for the scatter pistol? In practice it's almost identical to the DX2, the idea being we (Pistoleers) get cert for the DX2 at novice, and the bounty hunter gets an equivalent weapon that is useful for their pistols tree. The only 'real' surprise is that bounty hunters don't get a cert for something similar to one of the top level carbines (elite or nyms). However, the carbines available to the bounty hunter (since they have master marksman) already do more damage so I suppose it's not as critical, upon reflection.


-Datchery
EricTheGreat
Sat May 01, 2004 6:08 pm
#6




TarannisBane wrote:

Ok I just dont get as a a psitoleer why is that we cant use every pistol in the game.


We are the only class that has weapons that only we can use yet there are sub classes of pistols that are for spifice classes only IE launcher and scatter.


As a master carbaneer you can use any carb in the game. The slug througher the dx2 the elite all of them.


As a rifleman you can use all the rifles in that game the dx2-b the new bizzerker the laser rifle anything.


But us that masters of the pistol cant. I dont understand.


As a pisitoleer we also get the shaft on skills. Yes i know there broke. But the best over all pistol shot in the game Lastditch a smuggler skill. The best pool only pistol shot eyeshot a BH only pistol shot.

Now here are 2 classes that need to spend only the the min in pistol training IE pistol 4 in marksman to get one of the best pistols in the game and the best shots in the game. Yes I know they need to do other things to get to this lvl but I am talking about pistols here so yes I know you mastered scout and I know you did unarmed 4 but really is a reather small feet with an awsome reward.


I am not asking for the best shots in the game but I dont see why we cant use all the pistols. And I also dont see why we cant get pool only shots like one for action and one for mind its all random or heath only. I am a dead eye I guess that means if i aim for the body I am dead on but dont shot at the head or legs come on really though.



heavy acid rifle is commando only also




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iseinip
Sat May 01, 2004 7:57 pm
#7

well the heavy acid rifle when on a vendor is under the heavy weapon section.. but there is arifle under the RIFLE category that rifleman can't use. That is the Beam Rifle.


And if you wanna agrue about a prof not getting every type of thier weapon then look at commando. They don't get every heavy weapon because BH's get the LLC.





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O-dog
Sat May 01, 2004 8:08 pm
#8

OMFG are you guys still stuck on this? just get over it. you have an AP1 acid pistol and BH's have an AP1 acid pistol.


also, nothing is stopping you from mastering Marksman and Scout and then getting 40k of combat xp to get certed for the scatter.





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TarannisBane
Sun May 02, 2004 11:50 am
#9

Ok up to the eyeshot vs. lastditch I was speaking as these are 2 different types of shots eyeshot is a pool only it will only hit the mind lastditch is random. So yes eyeshot is the best overall but as a random pool shot goes lastditch is the best.



Now to dx2 vs scatter ummmm no. yes they are both acid yes they have ap1 but thats all the scatter is faster as a base and the damage is a better average. So sliced again the scatter is better then the dx2.


The launch yes I know it gives heavy weapons xp yet there are no skils in commando that call for the use of a launcher pistol you cant flame cone with it you cant throw it at a NPC and you cant acid cone with it.


I also dont see why a commando cant use the LLC but dont they get a LC that is better then the LLC I dont know But I think they get one that has like 25 uses.





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LorenzoMh
Sun May 02, 2004 1:11 pm
#10
Pre-nerf scatter pistols were great, back when they could be made with a projectile feed mechanism, butthepost-nerfscattersare pretty much just a fancy-looking, slightly faster, DX2.



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TarannisBane
Sun May 02, 2004 5:51 pm
#11

thanks for missing the point yet again.



All i am saying is if I am a Master of a weapon I should be able to use them all. Thats it I dont care if its better I dont care about you def. crying.


It is the same thing as if a master armorsmith couldnt make all the armor in the game aside from droped ones. It is like saying ok you need to be a chef to make RIS armor



Same thing I am a Master pistoleer yet I need to go BH and Commando to use all the pistols.





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Vyze_Skystorm
Sun May 02, 2004 6:43 pm
#12




TarannisBane wrote:

thanks for missing the point yet again.



All i am saying is if I am a Master of a weapon I should be able to use them all. Thats it I dont care if its better I dont care about you def. crying.


It is the same thing as if a master armorsmith couldnt make all the armor in the game aside from droped ones. It is like saying ok you need to be a chef to make RIS armor



Same thing I am a Master pistoleer yet I need to go BH and Commando to use all the pistols.







LOOK HERE


They give BH's and Commandos pistols so they have something to use to level and fall onto as a backup. Pistols are usually considered a side-arm, correct? Notice how Commandosand BH'sboth have BIGGER WEAPONS that they use as well. I am a commando myself and when I was leveling I couldn't hit squat with a flamethrower. I had to fall back on to my sidearm LP to get experience for me. BH's have carbines and the LLC which are both larger weapons. In the real world you don't see soldiers charge into battle hodling a .45mm handgun do you? No you don't.Thedevs probably thought of it like that and gave commando and BH pistols to fall back on. If they gave commando and BH exclusive carbines or rifles let alone the heavy weps that they have now you wouldn't cry about that. You are just whining because you are sick of the grind and don't have the skill points to get both. so calm down. Don't take this offensively, I am trying to just settle an argument once and for all.


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Tiphus
Sun May 02, 2004 7:04 pm
#13




Datchery wrote:

Also, the reason we don't have the launcher pistol is that it's not actually a pistol. It uses pistol mods, yes, but it grants heavy weapons xp (thus it exists only so that commandos have a weapon they already have mods for which they can use to earn the only xp they really need.)


As for the scatter pistol? In practice it's almost identical to the DX2, the idea being we (Pistoleers) get cert for the DX2 at novice, and the bounty hunter gets an equivalent weapon that is useful for their pistols tree. The only 'real' surprise is that bounty hunters don't get a cert for something similar to one of the top level carbines (elite or nyms). However, the carbines available to the bounty hunter (since they have master marksman) already do more damage so I suppose it's not as critical, upon reflection.


-Datchery





Hey! If it's not a pistol, then ***edit*** they shouldn't call it a pistol.***edit*** !!


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