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-Darkstarr-

Mon Oct 11, 2004 1:20 pm

Go triple master...

1) Get pistol speed tapes (accuracy tapes help too). You need roughly +20 to cap.

2) Drop ranged support 1. Get FS Combat Prowess(ranged speed 3, gives +9 speed) if you cant afford/find the speed tapes. If you can get the speed tapes, then get FS Enhanced Reflexes (Ranged Defense 3, gives +9 Ranged defense).

With the triple master, you get:

a) Force of Will. Basically, if anyone can take you out, you get an automatic second chance at them again.

b) The ability to healpoisons and diseases after taking out a CM or DoT pvper

c) Heal your own wounds

d) Be able to take on Jedi with TKM

e)take on higher-level MOBs with TKM

f) Powerboost. A mini self-buff.

You willOWN the BH/Pistols/Smuggler template unless you have a weak mind and they use eyeshot on you.

With the BH/Pistols/Smug, you get to:

a) kite in pvp

b) kite in pve

c) hope thatmelee pvperscant get within hitting range

The difference in defenses is like night and day, especially when fighting melee pvp'ers. You're almost capped for melee defense and have rather decent state defenses.

On a sidenote, I have a shirt with +10 pistol speed and +16 accuracy, and a belt with +14 speed and +14 accuracy. Combined with FS skills, I have 136 accuracy and Im speed capped. Im basically a BH without eyeshot.

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Halendor

Mon Oct 11, 2004 1:48 pm

#2

Thanks for the information.

How expensive are pistol speed tapes? Because if I see the going rate for rifle speed tapes, I think I'm going to have to save alot of money first

Raek Kre'mos (Eclipse)
SWG: Massive Singleplayer Mostly Offline or Loading Power Playing Grind

-Darkstarr-

Mon Oct 11, 2004 1:57 pm

#3

Not as expensive as rifle tapes. Rifle tapes are expensive because you only need +7 to speed cap (correct me if I am wrong) or some rather low number, so there is alot of competition for lower number tapes. Pistols requires a higher number mod, so you'll see the same tapes for pistols selling lower because you need more of them. On Shadowfire, a +6 to +8's speed tapes usually sell for a mill or so (depending on how bad your competition wants them). Accuracy tapes sell for a mill or so fora +10.

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DrendalKahn

Mon Oct 11, 2004 2:26 pm

#4

-Darkstarr- wrote:

...

With the triple master, you get:

a) Force of Will. Basically, if anyone can take you out, you get an automatic second chance at them again.

b) The ability to healpoisons and diseases after taking out a CM or DoT pvper

c) Heal your own wounds

d) Be able to take on Jedi with TKM

e)take on higher-level MOBs with TKM

f) Powerboost. A mini self-buff.

You willOWN the BH/Pistols/Smuggler template unless you have a weak mind and they use eyeshot on you.

...

Yep. The strategy for tri-masters: screwpistols,use all your TKM skills.

Sadly, this is the state of the game.

However, if you really love pistols and want to use them in pvp, the rogue-desperado-master pistols template is probably one of the best. Some people take out rogue and add some fencer for defense; some people swear by last ditch -- whatever your style is. If you're a tri-master, you'll find yourself just using all your TKM skills (at least that's been my experience).

IMO, if you want to be a TKM, just get in line and be a stacker. TKM + dabbling is better than TKM + mastering two borked professions, at least from an objective viewpoint (do you especially like pistols? That could change things.). Don't get my wrong -- I love pistols -- but if you're objective is to be a hardcore leetpvper, there are easier professions to do it in. It's certainly not impossible if your smart (you wont automatically get "OWNED" by everyone), but you have a serious disadvantage.

My opinion? Go with the pistols template. It wont be as powerful, but darnit, its fun. Until the CB, we'll just have to wait and watch pvp be dominated by DoT weapons,TKM stackers, and the odd Rifleman every once in awhile.

But unless you have some special attachment to your pistols (like I do ), look elsewhere.

Also, another point to raise about the Pistol-Template over Tri-Master: In good pvp (i.e. not attacking kids in starports) you're in a group, and in agoodgroup,there's a doc and theTKM meditating skills are redundant. Pvp isn't all about one-on-one super duels, ya know. High offense, low defense templates are very effective with groups to support them -- just look at rifleman, lol.

So I guess the question really is: do you want to use pistols when you fight?

Have fun, and sorry for the rambling.

Message Edited by DrendalKahn on 10-11-2004 02:28 PM

~~DRENDAL KAHN~~

-Darkstarr-

Mon Oct 11, 2004 2:33 pm

#5

Use TKM? Heck no with speed tapes you can win using only a pistol.Only time you'll ever need TKM is when someone has insane ranged defensesor you needthe higher-accuracy attackfrom TKM tokill them. I rarely use TKM, thoughkd/dizzy then spamming 6-10last ditches will takeabout 1200 off your opponents ham per hit

You're on my server... lets DUEL!!! Post results here

btw I just got a pvp rating of 1700 last night using muh pistol skills

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DrendalKahn

Mon Oct 11, 2004 2:50 pm

#6

Sure, I'll duel.

My main is a Ranger/Rifleman, my alt is working on the rogue-pistoleer-desperado template (I got so freakin' sick of doc/cm

). The results actually would be a pretty cool to see.

My alt should be done in a few days. I just dropped doc, but I'm a good grinder.

~~DRENDAL KAHN~~

-Darkstarr-

Mon Oct 11, 2004 2:52 pm

#7

Heck yeah... triple master vs bh/pistols/smug will be an fun fight. My in-game name is Darkstarr.

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Halendor

Mon Oct 11, 2004 10:58 pm

#8

Well, the only reason for getting the Bounty Hunter Pistol branch, is for the added speed and accuracy. As soon as you have that in skill tapes, it's no longer required, and the remaining skillpoints could go into TKA and the rest of Smuggler.

Raek Kre'mos (Eclipse)
SWG: Massive Singleplayer Mostly Offline or Loading Power Playing Grind

jimmpop169

Mon Oct 11, 2004 11:04 pm

#9

bah screw you hippies

im a tkm fencer and pistoleer with some minor skill tapes... as of now +16 to pistol speed

(1f u c4n r34d th1s u r34lly n33d t0 g37 l41d)
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Halendor

Tue Oct 12, 2004 12:58 am

#10

Clarification

Triple Master: Master Smuggler, Master Pistoleer, Teras Kasi Master, Ranged Support I

Pistols-Template: Master Pistoleer, Smuggler 0/0/4/0, Bounty Hunter 0/0/4/0, Novice Commando

Defenses

Triple Master
Defense vs Blind +50
Defense vs Dizzy +45
Defense vs Knockdown +70
Defense vs Posture Change +50
Defense vs Stun +55
Ranged Defense +54
Melee Defense +107

Pistols-Template

Defense vs Blind +40
Defense vs Dizzy +40
Defense vs Knockdown +50
Defense vs Posture Change +20
Defense vs Stun +40
Ranged Defense +22
Melee Defense +49

Question

Should I go for speed kills or for the extra defenses and meditation? Bounty Hunter costs alot of skillpoints, and I'm not sure if they're worth it - but then again, is the difference in defenses really effective?

Raek Kre'mos (Eclipse)
SWG: Massive Singleplayer Mostly Offline or Loading Power Playing Grind

Altairrr

Tue Oct 12, 2004 1:19 am

#11

-Darkstarr- wrote:
You will OWN the BH/Pistols/Smuggler template unless you have a weak mind and they use eyeshot on you.

That's a funny statement. I know how to use pistols and dont need melee.

You have no medic (hello Last Ditch) and I have eyeshot. What will you shoot me with, Last Ditch? I have novice medic. Switch to TKM (+100vsKD thak *gulp*) and I will stun/intim your defenses away and hope you switch back to pistols to get Ranged Mitigation 3.

I'm M.Pistols, BH 0020, Smugg 0040, Medic 1000. I challenge any Triple Master on Intrepid.

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Altair [NoMaD]
M.Pistoleer, 0040 Smuggler, 0020 BH, 1000 Medic

Altairrr

Tue Oct 12, 2004 1:24 am

#12

Halendor wrote:
Well, the only reason for getting the Bounty Hunter Pistol branch, is for the added speed and accuracy. As soon as you have that in skill tapes, it's no longer required, and the remaining skillpoints could go into TKA and the rest of Smuggler.

Yea, maybe the only reason if you don't PvP.

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Altair [NoMaD]
M.Pistoleer, 0040 Smuggler, 0020 BH, 1000 Medic

DrendalKahn

Tue Oct 12, 2004 1:37 am

#13

-Darkstarr- wrote:

Heck yeah... triple master vs bh/pistols/smug will be an fun fight. My in-game name is Darkstarr.

Main = Drendal, Alt = Roldand.

I should be done by the end of this week (permitting something doesn't come up with college/work). This is gonna be fun!

We'll make sure to post the results.

~~DRENDAL KAHN~~

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