Pistoleer Archive

Because we already had a stun gun, true it was bloody awful, but we did indeed already have one. But thats just a shot in teh dark, more likely the reason is that this game lacks one thing. Legendary loot. Its the driving force behind group hunts in almost every others MMORPG in existence, the closest thing in SWG is pearls, Legendary tissue, and RIS armor. So they created a new super loot drop, and gave pistoleers a bone(if you look over it carefully its not even THAT amazing of a bone. I mean sure, if you had the luck of GOD you might be able to make a 600 damage gun, but remeber it has no armor peircing, so even with 1% stun resitence our damage is getting insanely reduced already).

Or maybe, the Devs just REALLY HATE PISTOLEERS, and thought, hey, lets taunt the poor sons of beeotches. Could be any one, or combination of the above.

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coln wrote:

Because we already had a stun gun, true it was bloody awful, but we did indeed already have one. But thats just a shot in teh dark, more likely the reason is that this game lacks one thing. Legendary loot. Its the driving force behind group hunts in almost every others MMORPG in existence, the closest thing in SWG is pearls, Legendary tissue, and RIS armor. So they created a new super loot drop, and gave pistoleers a bone(if you look over it carefully its not even THAT amazing of a bone. I mean sure, if you had the luck of GOD you might be able to make a 600 damage gun, but remeber it has no armor peircing, so even with 1% stun resitence our damage is getting insanely reduced already).

Or maybe, the Devs just REALLY HATE PISTOLEERS, and thought, hey, lets taunt the poor sons of beeotches. Could be any one, or combination of the above.

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yea the tangle, so crap i forgot about it

it has like the same base damage as a stun baton

but because our profession is all messed up its not NEARLY effective, especially when you have fencers kd dizzying people

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CriminalJabba wrote:

Why on earth did the devs make the pistoleers only "competitive" gun in PvP the rarest gun in the game?

Sure you might say oh because its stun and it roxors your boxors

It appears that you haven't taking a look at the riflemans AP 1 jawa ion rifle, and the fecners stun baton, that are both standard schematics?

Why did the devs do this?

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Capt. Xadius
Ancient Smuggler | Inquisition Ace

Vender: Rielig Steppes Mall, Dantooine

Its new and quite dissapointing it is very difficult to get. Our profession is already on the rocks and we have to camp this cave day in and day out to hopefully get this as a loot drop.

Rifleman also got a new rifle, but all they have to do is make it inside the cave and talk to an NPC to get the schem. We have to rely on nefariously random loot drops. Pathetic.

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B0B4F377 wrote:

wow this is really retarded. The only thing i agree with in your post is that its not fair that rifleman get a standard scheme stun gun. As for everything else, I have 4 geo guns. Two of them are fairly nice crafted ones i bought and had sliced. 290 max damage on dmg sliced, 218 on speed sliced, niether are powered up. I also looted two from the caves. One of them has pistol speed and accuracy mods, quite nice, althugh the damage is more along the lines of a tangle. I was only in the cave for about 4 hours and got two. thats not rare at all if you ask me. And if your point is that the looted ones suck and you only want the crafted ones (which the scheme is fairly difficult to get i take it) then think of other professions. Instead of whining that your pistol isn't as good or common as the riflemans, consider the fact were one of only 3 professions that even get stun. What would you do if you were a carbineer? I know because i was one, there is no way in hell your doing damage to someone wearing any type of composite. Not to mention they cant target mind pool.

moral of the story. pistoleers are in a reasonable situation. Nerf Rifleman. Buff Carbineer

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Did you not catch the nefarious loot drop comment? While someone can be lucky enough to recieve what you did in 4 hours time, others are not. Myself and many of my guildmates frequent those caves. None of us have yet to loot a schem and only a handful of us have looted the actual gun. These guns were nothing great and were on par with our tangle pistols. If you think that 4 hours is not a lot of time to get what you got, then you must have a lot of time on your hands.

This is often how it is with people. They go somewhere and are lucky enough to get stuff and then they ask why is everyone complaining?

As another point, I don't care that this weapon does stun damage. It doesn'teven have armor piercing. I do not pvp. Anyone knows that any high lvl NPC's in this game usually have some resist to stun. I would just like to be able to get the schematic of this gun by reasonable means. And the shifty loot drops that SOE likes to have make it the most difficult weapon to get in the game. Every other ranged weapon in the game can be had easily. This is the only one that works on random loot drops. Heck even the quest only guns can be gotten fairly easily. At least if you know you do the quest you are going to get the gun. Going to the geno caves is a crap shoot.

In addition, I wasn't calling for a nerf. I don't believe that others should be nerfed down, I think those that are broken should be brought up.

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DarthXadius wrote:

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CriminalJabba wrote:

Why on earth did the devs make the pistoleers only "competitive" gun in PvP the rarest gun in the game?

Sure you might say oh because its stun and it roxors your boxors

It appears that you haven't taking a look at the riflemans AP 1 jawa ion rifle, and the fecners stun baton, that are both standard schematics?

Why did the devs do this?

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I think it's wonderful. The idea of making the schematic limited spins is awesome.

They are a true pain to acquire the schem, cubes, krayt and damage slice for, but once you have one, is gold. I've never met someone that was on the recieving end of my blaster and lived more than 30 seconds - and that is being very optimistic. Firing last ditch once a second with a 330 damage (no powerup) blaster = dead person. Also they have a maximum range of 48 meters. They are a true gem, in that they are only for certain situations. I love them.

Jawa has AP1, true enough, but it has hideous accuracy; also, it's slow. If someone is wearing composite and you are weilding a sonic, you have a high chance that they don't have the vuln to stun in their armor patched, so you do more damage to them than if they were nakie. I would rather use my Sonic Blaster with +60 at ideal range anyday over a Jawa with AP1 and +10 at ideal, which you will never be at as a rifleman in pvp.

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Jpshaff01 wrote:

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DarthXadius wrote:

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CriminalJabba wrote:

Why on earth did the devs make the pistoleers only "competitive" gun in PvP the rarest gun in the game?

Sure you might say oh because its stun and it roxors your boxors

It appears that you haven't taking a look at the riflemans AP 1 jawa ion rifle, and the fecners stun baton, that are both standard schematics?

Why did the devs do this?

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I think it's wonderful. The idea of making the schematic limited spins is awesome.

They are a true pain to acquire the schem, cubes, krayt and damage slice for, but once you have one, is gold. I've never met someone that was on the recieving end of my blaster and lived more than 30 seconds - and that is being very optimistic. Firing last ditch once a second with a 330 damage (no powerup) blaster = dead person. Also they have a maximum range of 48 meters. They are a true gem, in that they are only for certain situations. I love them.

Jawa has AP1, true enough, but it has hideous accuracy; also, it's slow. If someone is wearing composite and you are weilding a sonic, you have a high chance that they don't have the vuln to stun in their armor patched, so you do more damage to them than if they were nakie. I would rather use my Sonic Blaster with +60 at ideal range anyday over a Jawa with AP1 and +10 at ideal, which you will never be at as a rifleman in pvp.

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I don't even know where to start with this whole thread, its full of false statements. It would be way better to have AP1 and +10 accuracy then to +60 accuracy, any stun layer and this guns damage degrades by 25% and the reisist to stun. Somome claimed earlier that the jawa was slower and didn't shoot as fast as a sonic. I mean that was such a dumb statement that i don't know if i should even reply to it. At master rifleman if you have a jawa crafted with normal speed you can spam any one of your specials at the 1.0 cap. At master pistoleer with a crafted sonic blaster with 2.7 speed you spam stopping shot and last ditch at 2.8, fanshot every 1.7 sec. The fact is if you ever say pistoleer at standard master is better then anything at rifle master then you are a complete idiot. And for anyone who claims the shoot this gun at the 1.0 cap, you either have a 1.6 speed blaster +74 speed and spmming fanshot or you better have +91 speed to shoot a 2.7 speed gun at 1.0 with stoppingshot or last ditch.

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Message Edited by DarthXadius on 03-29-2004 12:29 PM

Capt. Xadius
Ancient Smuggler | Inquisition Ace

Vender: Rielig Steppes Mall, Dantooine

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DarthXadius wrote:

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Jpshaff01 wrote:

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DarthXadius wrote:

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CriminalJabba wrote:

Why on earth did the devs make the pistoleers only "competitive" gun in PvP the rarest gun in the game?

Sure you might say oh because its stun and it roxors your boxors

It appears that you haven't taking a look at the riflemans AP 1 jawa ion rifle, and the fecners stun baton, that are both standard schematics?

Why did the devs do this?

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I think it's wonderful. The idea of making the schematic limited spins is awesome.

They are a true pain to acquire the schem, cubes, krayt and damage slice for, but once you have one, is gold. I've never met someone that was on the recieving end of my blaster and lived more than 30 seconds - and that is being very optimistic. Firing last ditch once a second with a 330 damage (no powerup) blaster = dead person. Also they have a maximum range of 48 meters. They are a true gem, in that they are only for certain situations. I love them.

Jawa has AP1, true enough, but it has hideous accuracy; also, it's slow. If someone is wearing composite and you are weilding a sonic, you have a high chance that they don't have the vuln to stun in their armor patched, so you do more damage to them than if they were nakie. I would rather use my Sonic Blaster with +60 at ideal range anyday over a Jawa with AP1 and +10 at ideal, which you will never be at as a rifleman in pvp.

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I don't even know where to start with this whole thread, its full of false statements. It would be way better to have AP1 and +10 accuracy then to +60 accuracy, any stun layer and this guns damage degrades by 25% and the reisist to stun. Somome claimed earlier that the jawa was slower and didn't shoot as fast as a sonic. I mean that was such a dumb statement that i don't know if i should even reply to it. At master rifleman if you have a jawa crafted with normal speed you can spam any one of your specials at the 1.0 cap. At master pistoleer with a crafted sonic blaster with 2.7 speed you spam stopping shot and last ditch at 2.8, fanshot every 1.7 sec. The fact is if you ever say pistoleer at standard master is better then anything at rifle master then you are a complete idiot. And for anyone who claims the shoot this gun at the 1.0 cap, you either have a 1.6 speed blaster +74 speed and spmming fanshot or you better have +91 speed to shoot a 2.7 speed gun at 1.0 with stoppingshot or last ditch.

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It may be in your best interest to start with reading the threads, it would save you from further acts that would win you a Darwin award.

Please explain to the class how having piss poor accuracy (ie not hitting) is better than hitting your target? The horrible accuracy on a jawa, especially while in pvp combat (constantly moving, not at ideal range) just plain sucks. A good T21 with AP3 will always be better than a Jawa. If you see someone using a Jawa, they either a) have a crap T21 or b) found some killer krayt tissue to make the jawa worth using.

I fire last ditch at once a second just fine with my sonic blaster, and it would own a rifleman using a jawa any day. Try pvping some, use the weapons, read the threads, then comment. What you need to explain to everyone here is that you cannot spam at last ditch at 1.0 with +74 speed at master pistoleer unless you have a 1.0 speed gun. Do you not understand that rifleman can spam any special at 1.0 with a jawa yet we have to have an extra +18 pistol speed in attachemnts to spamany specialwith the sonic(2.7 speed) at 1.0. How is that not an advantage, how many pistoleers do you even know that have +18 pistol speed in attachemnts. I do but i don't say on the forums that i shoot every second and i'm a master pistoleer, so many people out there thinkt hat pistol speed doenst matter don't escalate this even further and make our speed go unnoticed for even longer.

Master Gunfighter has strengths over Master Sharpshooter and visa versa. A pistoleer (with smuggler, granted) who knows their jawa rifle using opponent should always emerge victorious with said sonic blaster.

Message Edited by DarthXadius on 03-29-2004 12:29 PM

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Message Edited by Jpshaff01 on 03-29-2004 11:01 AM

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DarthXadius wrote:

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Jpshaff01 wrote:

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DarthXadius wrote:

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Jpshaff01 wrote:

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DarthXadius wrote:

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CriminalJabba wrote:

Why on earth did the devs make the pistoleers only "competitive" gun in PvP the rarest gun in the game?

Sure you might say oh because its stun and it roxors your boxors

It appears that you haven't taking a look at the riflemans AP 1 jawa ion rifle, and the fecners stun baton, that are both standard schematics?

Why did the devs do this?

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I think it's wonderful. The idea of making the schematic limited spins is awesome.

They are a true pain to acquire the schem, cubes, krayt and damage slice for, but once you have one, is gold. I've never met someone that was on the recieving end of my blaster and lived more than 30 seconds - and that is being very optimistic. Firing last ditch once a second with a 330 damage (no powerup) blaster = dead person. Also they have a maximum range of 48 meters. They are a true gem, in that they are only for certain situations. I love them.

Jawa has AP1, true enough, but it has hideous accuracy; also, it's slow. If someone is wearing composite and you are weilding a sonic, you have a high chance that they don't have the vuln to stun in their armor patched, so you do more damage to them than if they were nakie. I would rather use my Sonic Blaster with +60 at ideal range anyday over a Jawa with AP1 and +10 at ideal, which you will never be at as a rifleman in pvp.

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I don't even know where to start with this whole thread, its full of false statements. It would be way better to have AP1 and +10 accuracy then to +60 accuracy, any stun layer and this guns damage degrades by 25% and the reisist to stun. Somome claimed earlier that the jawa was slower and didn't shoot as fast as a sonic. I mean that was such a dumb statement that i don't know if i should even reply to it. At master rifleman if you have a jawa crafted with normal speed you can spam any one of your specials at the 1.0 cap. At master pistoleer with a crafted sonic blaster with 2.7 speed you spam stopping shot and last ditch at 2.8, fanshot every 1.7 sec. The fact is if you ever say pistoleer at standard master is better then anything at rifle master then you are a complete idiot. And for anyone who claims the shoot this gun at the 1.0 cap, you either have a 1.6 speed blaster +74 speed and spmming fanshot or you better have +91 speed to shoot a 2.7 speed gun at 1.0 with stoppingshot or last ditch.

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It may be in your best interest to start with reading the threads, it would save you from further acts that would win you a Darwin award.

Please explain to the class how having piss poor accuracy (ie not hitting) is better than hitting your target? The horrible accuracy on a jawa, especially while in pvp combat (constantly moving, not at ideal range) just plain sucks. A good T21 with AP3 will always be better than a Jawa. If you see someone using a Jawa, they either a) have a crap T21 or b) found some killer krayt tissue to make the jawa worth using.

I fire last ditch at once a second just fine with my sonic blaster, and it would own a rifleman using a jawa any day. Try pvping some, use the weapons, read the threads, then comment. What you need to explain to everyone here is that you cannot spam at last ditch at 1.0 with +74 speed at master pistoleer unless you have a 1.0 speed gun. Do you not understand that rifleman can spam any special at 1.0 with a jawa yet we have to have an extra +18 pistol speed in attachemnts to spam any special with the sonic(2.7 speed) at 1.0. How is that not an advantage, how many pistoleers do you even know that have +18 pistol speed in attachemnts. I do but i don't say on the forums that i shoot every second and i'm a master pistoleer, so many people out there thinkt hat pistol speed doenst matter don't escalate this even further and make our speed go unnoticed for even longer.

Master Gunfighter has strengths over Master Sharpshooter and visa versa. A pistoleer (with smuggler, granted) who knows their jawa rifle using opponent should always emerge victorious with said sonic blaster.

Message Edited by DarthXadius on 03-29-2004 12:29 PM

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Why don't you duel a master rifleman, take off all your stated clothes, you use the geo and he use the jawa and see who wins. Or you both put on 37% stun armour (which i wear at all times) you use the geo and he uses the jawa and see whats happens. Come back and tell you won and your credibility is lost.

Message Edited by Jpshaff01 on 03-29-2004 11:01 AM

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I don't pvp w/o armor, if that is your style, it might explain why you die. I have dueled master rifleman while I am wearing stun layered and non-stun layered armor, in a 1:1 scenario I win every time.

T21 > Jawa - in most scanerios
Sonic >= Jawa - depending on krayt

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