Pistoleer Archive
Thread: Any chance for the new pistols to do Elec, Resist and Cold damage?
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RogueCloudwalker
Thu Feb 17, 2005 6:45 pm
#1
Ithink that we will probably end up much the same way we are now after the CURB, fighting close and doing little damage - so I'm hoping that some of the new pistols would have these damage types to help us before we are killed. Any chance on this?
RenKesson
Thu Feb 17, 2005 8:31 pm
#2
I think we already have the widest range of damage types in the game. Adding Cold would be putting us one damage type away from having every non-Lightsaber damage type in the game, and I think that would just be unfair to other professions. I don't think we need it at all. If they fix everything else broken with our prof, and then give us all the extra stuff we've asked for (dual wielding, holsters, postures/stances, etc.), and then give us Cold damage, I'm afraid the outcry from other professions would be so much that we'd be at serious risk of another nerf, or worse, other professions would steal one of our only advantages, and demand that they also be given a wider range of damage types.
Basically, I'm kind of afraid of asking for too much, especially in an arena where we already dominate. If we push this one too hard too, we may end up losing it in the end. 
Oh yeah, and I think you mean Restraint damage, not Resist. 
Message Edited by RenKesson on 02-17-2005 07:32 PM
JakobSunrunner
Thu Feb 17, 2005 9:01 pm
#3
ummm what areas do we dominate it?
TKA and melee peeps are better then us in short range, rifles, heavy weapons,and carbines usualy get the best of us in rangedwith exception toa players skill.
I understand as a "short" "ranged" profession were not supposed to dominate but niether are we very competitive in any sort of area, we either need to have Smuggler 0040 or Desperado to be even considered threatening or in a group.
Alll Smuggler 0040 does for us is Last Ditch, Low Blow and Panic shot, but even these arent close to 90% effective all the time. Even if they were, we would beAT BESTcompetitive in PVP but not in any sense of world uber. Smuggler more or less helps us get damage mitigated with panic shot while they are stunned, but low blow and delay shots only really helps when were trying to get away, sure they cant do their actions during delay shot and we can unleash our pistols on them but withen 10 secs do you really think pistols are gonna do all that much damage with their heavy compositearmor, buffed, and maybe a PSG? not enless you have another combat prfession with that template of yours.
The Best thing a Pistoleer can do is depend maxing out stats with Desperado. Sure we health shots but they have torso shot that starts a fire which is a way better DOT.They alsocap out our speed but then again, it still makes a majority, not all, a majority of us marginally competitive.
You ask any Pistoleer, any real PVP Pistoleer and they can tell ya,without BountyHunters Pistols or even Smuggler were not verynote worthy in PVP.
The problem with out proffesion with the way it is in SWG it is largely a Defensive Prof, with smuggler more so, but with desperdo we dont have actions that are really defensive just that fact they are bounty hunters or part bounty hunters makes most people think twice about engaging them enless grouped together or wanna be adventuous try just to aviod the trouble. Master bounty hunter are something to fear however in most cases.
look at it this way, say you data as a player gets deleted,so now you have a second chance this time around at choosing you combat prof's, however this time you decide you wanna be good at PVP with just one combat proffesion, would you go Pistoleer? anybody?
Before we ask for more damage types we should ask to be a competitive prof that way we actually matter.
Message Edited by JakobSunrunner on 02-17-2005 08:07 PM
RenKesson
Thu Feb 17, 2005 9:47 pm
#4
You weren't paying very close attention. We dominate in the area of damage types. We have more damage types available to us than any other weapon class. Period.
JakobSunrunner
Fri Feb 18, 2005 12:48 am
#5
lol i dont think you get the rift of my arguement, i was pointing how badly were off and how we should be focusing more on our area of expertise which is close in ranged fighting not damage types. While it may seem apparent that different damages would be our area, its not, the devsnever meant to set up the pistoleer prof that way. But if you can prove me wrong find me a post or some kind material by the devs indicating such and ill admit im wrong.
Oh, and by the way, we pistoleer's arent the only proffession with a handful of damage types, i think someone is forgetting about riflemen and his old and new toys, infact they have more damage types then we, im not even inclueding there AP1 and AP2. While carbines dont have many as we do they still have what?3 or4 damage types?
So really we DONT dominate in damage types as much as YOU think we do.
Message Edited by JakobSunrunner on 02-17-2005 11:56 PM
BadgerSmaker
Fri Feb 18, 2005 3:35 am
#6
RenKesson wrote:
I think we already have the widest range of damage types in the game. Adding Cold would be putting us one damage type away from having every non-Lightsaber damage type in the game, and I think that would just be unfair to other professions. I don't think we need it at all. If they fix everything else broken with our prof, and then give us all the extra stuff we've asked for (dual wielding, holsters, postures/stances, etc.), and then give us Cold damage, I'm afraid the outcry from other professions would be so much that we'd be at serious risk of another nerf, or worse, other professions would steal one of our only advantages, and demand that they also be given a wider range of damage types.
Basically, I'm kind of afraid of asking for too much, especially in an arena where we already dominate. If we push this one too hard too, we may end up losing it in the end.
Oh yeah, and I think you mean Restraint damage, not Resist.
Message Edited by RenKesson on 02-17-2005 07:32 PM
Before I read any more posts in this thread I have to wholeheartedly disagree with Ren.
Dual wielding, holsters, postures/stances, etc ??? What are you on about, mate? Who cares about that?
I guess as an RP'er that may be more important to you, but more damage types is the only thing that Pistoleer has going for it, a Cold damage gun would be fantastic... we do low damage, but we can do the right type of damage, thus getting better results.
And why not give other professions more damage types? Thats the same as saying "Dont give Pistoleer a ranged KD as Smugglers need to keep something".
Now I shall read the rest of the posts... and try to calm down... 
Right, yes... thankfully everyone else is thinking along the same lines.
Ok, so how many times have you examined a mob and seen that it's lowest resist is Electric, Cold or Restraint? Loads of times... and everytime I see it I want a gun with one of these damage types, Pistoleer just cant output enough damage unless it plays to the weakness of the MoB.
This makes playing a Pistoleer very tactical and challenging, I find it to be one of the most rewarding parts of the profession, when you whip out a Striker pistol and start blasting at Nightsister Stalkers, when a lot of professions cant damage them.
Message Edited by BadgerSmaker on 02-18-2005 10:41 AM
RenKesson
Fri Feb 18, 2005 7:41 am
#7
No saying I wouldn't like it. I'm just putting my priorities out there. Not saying it's how it should be for everyone. The man asked for an opinion and I gave mine. *shrugs*
I'm happy with my strengths and limitations... as soon as my strengths are actually realized by fixing my bloody specials and speed.
Far as I know, Riflemen get Cold (SG82), Stun (Jawa Ion rifle), whatever the Spraystick is (Acid?), Heat (Berserker), and Kinetic (Tusken King's Rifle), and Energy.
We get Energy, Kinetic, Stun, Acid and Heat. Blast too, if you count Commando, but I don't, so . . . it looks like we're pretty even with them. Okay, give us more damage types! LOL
JakobSunrunner
Fri Feb 18, 2005 7:56 am
#8
you kinda crooked.
i say disagree with you on one thing but i wasnt really rfering to you at except for the first part of that sentence so you think that whole discussion i made was toward you then i try to tell you why i dont feel we dominate in something you call it mindless ranting of whiners who think our pro's broke.
Well inaway it is, and i do have a right to whine seeing how i pay 15 bucks a month, and im not the only one who does, you ask any the devs who are the top ten whiner of SWG is and pistoleer's one of them so i feel right at home, maybe you should move to a new proffesion.
one might say well then stop playing but why give up on a good thing like SWG, its not that the whole thing is flawed it just needs to reoreinted in its goal for the other pro's that dont flow right and arent dynamic enough for combat. And now that i see you jumped the fence to greener pasture, becuase you come to find out we dont dominate in damage types, buddy thats not what pistoleer i all about, niether in life or SWG, niether here or there. sheesh
Message Edited by JakobSunrunner on 02-18-2005 07:01 AM
RenKesson
Fri Feb 18, 2005 8:02 am
#9
I am neither crooked, nor did I call you a mindless ranter. If people want to ask for more damage types, let them. I'm okay as it is, but I really don't care. I won't complain if we get them, but there are things more important to me yeah. I'm not sure where you get off sounding all betrayed-offended but I have the right to be convinced of something, don't I? Is it morally wrong for me to change my mind? What business is it of yours? Would I like dual-wielding, postures/stances, and holsters before more damage types? Sure. Would it be nice to have greater versatility that way? Sure.
What's your beef and why are you calling me crooked? Your post makes no sense.
PercyBlackdragon
Fri Feb 18, 2005 8:59 am
#10
Down with the troll!!!
How dare you all have differing opinions!
Shame on you all.
I don't agree with anyone, I think we should kill people by making mean faces.
JakobSunrunner
Fri Feb 18, 2005 9:03 am
#12
you first post was agaisnt having another damge type, and i said your crooked becuase you did jump the fence and now say otherwise.
I took offense becuase you totally took my reply wrong, i was infact leaning more towards you then you had to bite me in the arse just becuase of the small little snipe about pistoleers dominating.I was trying to point out to the thread starter we have so many issue's to deal with as it is nows we cshould be focusing more on other thinsg then damage types.
And by saying "so take your "omgz we suck!" arguments somewhere else and we'll be glad to ignore you there also" you totally imnplied i was a whiner, if youhadnt meant toimply suchthen you should take more editorial care without you say and what you mean.
Message Edited by JakobSunrunner on 02-18-2005 08:05 AM
PercyBlackdragon
Fri Feb 18, 2005 9:05 am
#13
JakobSunrunner wrote:
you first post was agaisnt having another damge type, and i said your crooked becuase you did jump the fence and now say otherwise.
I took offense becuase you totally took my reply wrong, i was infact leaning more towards you then you had to bite me in the arse just becuase of the small little snipe about pistoleers dominating.I was trying to point out to the thread starter we have so many issue's to deal with as it is nows we cshould be focusing more on other thinsg then damage types.
And by saying "so take your "omgz we suck!" arguments somewhere else and we'll be glad to ignore you there also" you totally imnplied i was a whiner, if youhadnt meant toimply suchthen you should take more editorial care without you say and what you mean.
Who is this post directed to? Because the statements above come from more than one poster
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