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Thread: DPS is misleading. Your best DPS pistol might not be your overall best pistol.
Your not takeing weapon speed accuratley into account.
dx-2 does 19 more damage. thats like 2.5% more damage. But its like 15% slower.
Its damage would have to be over 15% higher, to make up for the fact that its 15% slower.
The fact we hit for non-random numbers means absolutley nothing by the way. In fact, it means that the dps stat is just that much more accurate.
Shinku07 wrote:
The fact we hit for non-random numbers means absolutley nothing by the way. In fact, it means that the dps stat is just that much more accurate.
That's not quite true if what the original poster says is accurate. The current base DPS as calculated by the game is: (min damage+max damage)/2/weapon speed Therefore, if what the original poster said is true, then this is an inaccurate metric since the min damage is irrelevant. Someone should confirm that the actual damage is a percentage of the max damage and someone else (hint, correspondant) should find out if the devs intend to keep it that way. I'll see what I can do about testing the original poster's info.
Shinku07 wrote:
Your not takeing weapon speed accuratley into account.
dx-2 does 19 more damage. thats like 2.5% more damage. But its like 15% slower.
Its damage would have to be over 15% higher, to make up for the fact that its 15% slower.
The fact we hit for non-random numbers means absolutley nothing by the way. In fact, it means that the dps stat is just that much more accurate.
I am taking it into account. The FWG is prolly my best bet. It is only 0.03 seconds slower on mod speed than the DL-44 and hits 13 points higher per basic ranged shot. The cool down modifier on a special would have to be 6x to really start to notice the speed difference. The DL-44 has 115 SAC though, so taking that into account, the FWG is definitely my best option.
The prime example that DPS is misleading is this. My Republic Blaster has a higher DPS than my FWG (475.86 vs 466.08), so according to DPS, I should use the Rep Blaster for better damage over time.
DPS is flat out wrong in this case. The Rep hits for 29 points less per basic ranged shot than the FWG and it is 0.14 seconds slower than the FWG. The FWG hits harder and faster than the Rep blaster, making it the better of the two and DPS is flat out wrong. Unless, of course, acid damage is separate from the energy damage shown in the combat spam.
Min damage is pretty useless, from the tests I've ran with two pistols of the same type, same max damage, same special attack, same mob, the 35 min damage difference only came out as a 2 damage difference. Hope that helps.
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Smugglersare a prime example of that right now--they are frequently showing negative (or zero) slicing results in the system message, but ending up with a positive result when looking at the stats.
Not quite accurate. Some of this depends on the special/gun being used. In PvE I rarely have a problem running out of action because I only use certian specials, but in PvP some of the high damage specials take a big chunk and I am constantly running out of action.
Darth-Kevlar wrote:
Shinku07 wrote:
Your not takeing weapon speed accuratley into account.
dx-2 does 19 more damage. thats like 2.5% more damage. But its like 15% slower.
Its damage would have to be over 15% higher, to make up for the fact that its 15% slower.
The fact we hit for non-random numbers means absolutley nothing by the way. In fact, it means that the dps stat is just that much more accurate.
Not its not. the DPS doesn't consider damage done by specials. Most of the damage dealing in this profession is done by using specials. Some other professions use specials and normal attacks because of the huge action cost of their weapons. We are not that affected. At combat level 80 I can use a lot of specials before my action bar is burned. Most of those special are multpiliers that take over the given amount of damage we do versus a given target. Most of those high damage specials have cooldowns also, that are relatevly mitigated by both weapon speed and our own speed.
Still:
once you get to a certain point, the effects of both PC speed and weapon speed start to have diminuishing returns over specials. I felt that, after getting 135 pistol+general speed. Until then , im a empirical way, i feltsome difference on thecooldown of specials while using a faster gun, now with 152 total speed, the diference in cooldown is "almost of micro seconds." The damage output of my de-10( that had a good conversion i must add) when using advanced critical, torsoshot, improvedbody shot( those are the ones icycle mostly) is still, on average100 dmg points higher than what i get using amy capped dmg DL 44XT (948 dmg),And despite the fact that the 44xt shows MDSP of 812 while the de-10 "only" shows mdps of 789, the de-10 ends up killing faster .