Pistoleer Archive
Thread: Why doesnt pistol have a ranged death blow?
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Eked
Wed May 05, 2004 8:57 am
#1
It makes no sense to incap someone with a pistol and have to run up and db them.... seems like half the time i cap tkas they use force of will before I even have a chance to db them....I've actually given up on db'ing a lot of people, sometimes I will just have my friend (whos arifleman) use his sniper db shot instead...i dont remember seeing han run up and touch every stormy he shot... I hope this is resolved in the combat revamp.
Slipp-Wilson
Wed May 05, 2004 9:04 am
#2
you know i agree with you....that is kinda bull. Id like to see this happen as well, but lets not throw the devs off course, like you said maybe we could see this with the combat revamp.
Niklesnitz
Wed May 05, 2004 1:17 pm
#4
The combat professions are out of wack. The only reason I could think of rifleman having the only ranged DB is because they are supposed to be long range fighters. But not only are they good long range fighters,they can fire their weapon once per second and even take you down while running and holding their huge T21 with one hand.
I agree, take away any type of ranged DB or give everyone the option.
ClaudSilverberg
Wed May 05, 2004 1:28 pm
#5
I think a better option, after the combat balance, would be to provide ranged DBs suited to the ideal range of a weapon.
DakOveran
Wed May 05, 2004 2:02 pm
#6
We don't because we don't need one. We need fixed specials. Not new ones
Tyyylowyspetily
Wed May 05, 2004 5:54 pm
#8
O-dog wrote:
hey lets just make all the professions exactly the same!:
Nailed it, right on the head. One of the things that make riflemen unique, is that ranged death blow. I don't begrudge any other profession a unique identity, or useful abilities. Let rifles keep concealed fire, and ranged DB. Those things are a big part of what make rifles fun. All I ask, is to make pistols just as fun, with our own unique feel and flavor. I don't want to feel like a rifleman. I want to feel like a master gunfighter.
pnjpenguin
Wed May 05, 2004 6:09 pm
#9
I like only Riflemen having a ranged DB, it keeps their class a bit unique. Pistoleer should have something unique of our own, which may be dual wheild.
Raptor2k1
Wed May 05, 2004 10:38 pm
#10
Sure, it makse them unique, but it has the unfortunate side effect of being a stupid unique ability that throws off the other ranged professions. I mean really, there's many other things they could make sniper shot act as instead of a ranged DB. Maybe they could actually be used as, I don't know, a sniping shot (think a mind-only hitting conceal-shot, or something to that affect.)
zazo
Thu May 06, 2004 12:11 am
#11
The question is not why doesnt pistoleer have a ranged deathblow but more rather why does rifleman have a ranged deathblow? Your logic makes sense of course you shouldnt have to run up and db someone but all of the other ranged professions have to do the same thing. You mean you cant kill someone with a rocket launcher at long range? In my opinion its either what make sense as in all ranged professions have a ranged db or none of them do.
I would lean toward none of them having one but then that would mean the "n" word for riflemen so I try not to complain about it.
Niklesnitz
Thu May 06, 2004 6:44 am
#12
Yes, every profession should have something unique, but a ranged DB should not be one of them. It makes no sense that a rifleman cankill you from range, but a carbineer or a pistoleer cannot.There are plenty of other abilities they can think of to make the professions unique.
RebalMarineHunter
Thu May 06, 2004 7:53 am
#13
A thread like this shows up in every class. Everyone gets envy about what someone else has. Rifleman have ranged DB, and that is a unique and desired thing that they alone should have. If you feel you need something added to your class than use some imagination and start comming up with things. Duel weild sounds great and I'm sure there are other great ideas out there as well, people need to stop homoginizing all the classes and leave some things alone.
Ranged DB to most who have done a lot of PVP is a valuable asset to the rifleman, now, to those of you that feel its a dumb special for only one class to have, let me tell you whats dumb about pistols. Taking into consideration that we only have about 64 meters of range to work with, then we need to make 0 meters relate to 0 yards and 64 meters relate to atleast 400 yards (RL comparison here for those that think its dumb everyone does not have ranged DB, even though nearly any RL comparison in and of itself is admitadly dumb).
Pistols should not be able to hit anything past 16 meters (100 yards), rifleman should have the greatest meleeranged combatant attack with /riflebut. Rifles should have just as greatof accuracy at close range as pistols because it only gets easier to hit things as they get closer, not harder. Rifles should have the greatest ranged KD in the game for a high caliber riflelike the T-21 by design has greater KD power than an FWG-5 and it would not even need to be a special.Rifles and for that matter carbines should have the fastest shooting speeds in the game, once again, rifes and carbines are the automatic kings, not pistols.
Only penelty a Rifleman should suffer would be point blank, because it would be easier to physically block or move the rifle barrell than the pistol, but anything greater than 1 yard and the rifle will suffer no more of a penalty than a pistol.
Only advantage that a pistol should have wound be in very very close combat, it should not be a staple weapon but an auxilery weapon for indoors or when melee oponents get in striking range. Other than that, Rifles should always be faster, stronger and more accurate as well as have the best KD in the game hands down.
Now, we are not talking making this game more realistic, if that were the case CH's would need to be removed as well as many other things.
So, Rifleman keep the only ranged DB in the game, carboneers get the best area attacks in the game (although I feel sorry for them really, they have no real power right now) and pistols have great speed, nice specials, great melee defense and even a melee attack.
Now, pistols should have some things fixed and improved, no doubt at all, but don't pick on what makes rifles unique but go after some things of your own, like having pistol whip 2 do something usefull mayber, or something new altogether. And don't call specials that work dumb for any reason, especially don't compare it to real life and call it dumb, because pistols as a whole would have to re-worked in order for it to make sense and to be viable for any reason at all.
Wow, am I cranky today, sorry, just get so tired of hearing these same things over and over again when they would only damage this game further.
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