Pistoleer Archive
Thread: Pistoleer should be one of the best combat profs
I just want pistoleer to bebalanced to the other classes. As far as being the best, I don't care.
Just think when dual wield is implemented, we'll be the next FOTM if only for looks.
Message Edited by Niklesnitz on 05-17-2004 09:04 AM
Niklesnitz wrote:
I just want pistoleer to bebalanced to the other classes. As far as being the best, I don't care.
Just think when duel weild is implemented, we'll be the next FOTM if only for looks.
Agreed. I'm not a pistoleer because it's the best. I'm one because I love pistols. If it's never the best prof around, I'm fine with that. Fixing our shots would be nice, though, but only for balance not for domination.
(Not the best mind you, but some of the best)Message Edited by boceifus2000 on 05-17-2004 08:53 AM
I agree. We should be comparable to any and all pvp combat classes. Our dodge, accuracy, weapons selection for AP, DPS, should make us no less formitable than the master fencer, master CM, master rifleman, et.,al., in a combat scenario.
I am holding onto my triple master template until after the revamp. I am hoping we get the love we need and deserve.
I posted this on rifle forums as well.
Well I think it is how prepared you are. Last night I dueled 3 master fencers. I did it with kahless listed below. I managed to beat 2 of them but the 3rd one got help as I was overt and I changed my stupid ForceOfWill macro and it didnt work. Lol I didnt use my equilibrium either. The point is if you are prepared you can do decent or at least last a long time. I had his mind gone but wow he hit me with a buttload of dot's. Maybe he still would have won, who knows.. No excuses he won fair and square.
Its funny how against one opponent my sonic pistol did not touch him so I switched to acid and it did a little damage, finally I use the jawa on his mind. Took forever but I finally got him. On a different opponent I could not seem to touch his mind. It was a pesky fencer wookiee, Yes I said wookiee.I could not touch his mind for sum reason so I hit him with my pistol and finally wore him down.
In all of these fights I was posture changed KD and blinded but I was only ever down for at the most 10 seconds. So kiting was effective. I dont think we should underestimate pistol defenses. Especially when coupled with other professions. I think duel wield will help us with damage output. I wish I could use solely the pistols but its a fact of life that you have to use all weaps. I have to do that as well using rifle. SometimesI cannot hit anything with the rifle.
Morath360 wrote:
I posted this on rifle forums as well.
Well I think it is how prepared you are. Last night I dueled 3 master fencers. I did it with kahless listed below. I managed to beat 2 of them but the 3rd one got help as I was overt and I changed my stupid ForceOfWill macro and it didnt work. Lol I didnt use my equilibrium either. The point is if you are prepared you can do decent or at least last a long time. I had his mind gone but wow he hit me with a buttload of dot's. Maybe he still would have won, who knows.. No excuses he won fair and square.
Its funny how against one opponent my sonic pistol did not touch him so I switched to acid and it did a little damage, finally I use the jawa on his mind. Took forever but I finally got him. On a different opponent I could not seem to touch his mind. It was a pesky fencer wookiee, Yes I said wookiee.I could not touch his mind for sum reason so I hit him with my pistol and finally wore him down.
In all of these fights I was posture changed KD and blinded but I was only ever down for at the most 10 seconds. So kiting was effective. I dont think we should underestimate pistol defenses. Especially when coupled with other professions. I think duel wield will help us with damage output. I wish I could use solely the pistols but its a fact of life that you have to use all weaps. I have to do that as well using rifle. SometimesI cannot hit anything with the rifle.
I shouldn'tHAVE to go up other combat trees to be effective. I am aMASTER of a combat profession, that alone should make me effective incombat even if I really sucked at PvP. I should be able to do dmg with my specials and HIT my targets more then once out of 100 shots.
boceifus2000 wrote:
I shouldn'tHAVE to go up other combat trees to be effective. I am aMASTER of a combat profession, that alone should make me effective incombat even if I really sucked at PvP. I should be able to do dmg with my specials and HIT my targets more then once out of 100 shots.
With this kind of thinking you should get your butt kicked.
First you are really exaggerating here. You don't missall the time and guess what news flash but whena fencer has COB on every profession misses like crazy. I tested this last night.
Second, just because you master "ONE" profession doesn't mean you are going to be effective in pvp. Its mostly about preparation even against a riflemen. I agree we need specials fixed, however you need to look at some of the positives and quit thinking you are going to do a lot ofdamage in pvp simply because you master a single profession. Pistoleer is easy to master. It simply is not fair for me to master multiple professions and have you simply as a pistoleer without preparation even stand a chance. Sorry but its not gonna happen.
Third pistoleer does work in pve. Health shot works well and we have some good defenses to go along with it.
Listen I want Pistoleer improved just as much as the next guy, but exaggerating is not gonna get us anywhere..
pistoleer is the most common profession taken up by players lol.... we sort of are a FOTM, but just for looks
i hope that the combat balance doesn't make any profession "better" just better in certain situations..... one-on-one, large groups, leading, support fire, etc.
that way a player can choose his or her profession to fit his or her playing style
Message Edited by RicoUnderwood on 05-17-2004 01:37 PM
Morath360 wrote:
boceifus2000 wrote:
I shouldn'tHAVE to go up other combat trees to be effective. I am aMASTER of a combat profession, that alone should make me effective incombat even if I really sucked at PvP. I should be able to do dmg with my specials and HIT my targets more then once out of 100 shots.
With this kind of thinking you should get your butt kicked.
First you are really exaggerating here. You don't missall the time and guess what news flash but whena fencer has COB on every profession misses like crazy. I tested this last night.
Second, just because you master "ONE" profession doesn't mean you are going to be effective in pvp. Its mostly about preparation even against a riflemen. I agree we need specials fixed, however you need to look at some of the positives and quit thinking you are going to do a lot ofdamage in pvp simply because you master a single profession. Pistoleer is easy to master. It simply is not fair for me to master multiple professions and have you simply as a pistoleer without preparation even stand a chance. Sorry but its not gonna happen.
Third pistoleer does work in pve. Health shot works well and we have some good defenses to go along with it.
Listen I want Pistoleer improved just as much as the next guy, but exaggerating is not gonna get us anywhere..
With your kind of thinking there would be no benefit to mastering a profession. Why even have "Master" this or that if it means absolutly nothing, and who said I don't go into battle prepared with buffs, food and spices?
A master means just that. MASTER. Would you prefer a Master Dabbler profession?
Pistoleers are supposed to be FAST. Our speed bonuses don't compare to riflemen.
We can agree that Pistoleers are good in MOST PvE situations. I have done many things that people said I couldn't as a pistoleer.
We can agree that pistoleer needs to be beefed up.
Exagerated? I wish I would have taken a screen shot of the battle I was in last night. Nobody should have that many bad rolls in a row.
Haveing all the buffs, food and spices in the world won't get you prepared enough against defense stackers and buffed opponents IF YOU CAN'T DAMAGE THEM even if you do hit them. The DPS of a pistoleer is not fast enough to make up for all the misses.
The speed of a pistoleer should make up for the dmg output but as it stands now it doesn't. I am not saying that pistoleers should outdamage everybody, only be able to put out more DPS and hit their targets to make up for the lack of dmg a pistol puts out compared to carbines and rifles, in other words, BALANCE.
I really don't care how many professions you have mastered or how easy you think one profession is to master over others. I have mastered the professions I want to. I expect to get beat if my opponent is better than me or I am unprepared, but I also EXPECT to have a reasonable chance to beat my opponent if I am prepared. i.e. Specials working, doing more than 40 dmg to a target if I actually hit the target(Which is much less than the mim dmg specs on all my pistols by the way), ect, ect.
If the minimum damage on your weapons says 75 then it should do no less than 75 or else why have a minimum dmg even listed?
I don't stand a remote chance in hell if I am prepared against an opponent that is also prepared. If I catch somebody flat footed MAYBE, but how often does that happen?
Templates are what is unbalanceing in this game. It will never be balanced until they get rid of all the stackers. The bonuses should only apply if you are useing skills from a particular profession, not stack with others from different professions. That is what is makeing the game unbalanced and PvP no fun. Sure it is fun for template chasers, but everyone else suffers.