Pistoleer Archive

Been thinking about this since the new publish yesterday. I'm gonna post this on several other relevant forums, too, to get the widest range of advice and opinions.

Someone correct my thinking if you think I'm wrong, but I think Pistoleer, with CH skill backup, is the way to go in this game now for any veteran player that wants to dominate in PvE or PvP. Here's why:

1. Pistoleers had their defense ENHANCED. Riflemen got improvements, too, but Pistoleers were already way ahead of them and since Pistoleers got enhanced, too, Riflemen are still behind.

2. Krayt FWGs will no longer be able to be manufactured, making the ones thatPistoleers nowhave even more valuable and deadly.

3. Guns don't decay when you die, but other stuff that's important to other classes, like Bio-engineered clothes, does. What an incredible advantage for all gunmen, but for Pistoleers, with the above two advantages, too, what a crusher. No contest.

I did BH Carbine 3 and LLC 4 in BH line to supplement my MCH, 'cause I love the LLC weapon and I wanted Fire Knockdown shot to perhaps try PvP someday. Because the LLC is so mighty, I thought this was at least equal to and perhaps a little better than just using uber-pistols. If you've ever used LLC 4, you know what I'm talking about.

But now, with Pistoleers having such overwhelming advantages, I think Pistoleer skills and BH Pistol 4 skills beat the heck out of my combo.

I haven't tried knockdown shots yet since the new publish, but they'd have to be much better than I think they are to beat out Pistoleers now.

Well Fire Knockdown doesn't have a KD delay so feel free to just keep pressing that and the pistoleer you're so afraid of won't be able to fire his gun once the entire fight. It's not a bug, devs say its working as intended, even tho all the other KDs got nerfed. Furthermore I don't think Master Pistoleer & BH Pistol 4 is the best combo. If a MBH/Pistol combo is the best, I'd say it would be with Novice Medic (1,0,0,0) and Master Pistoleer / BH (0,0,2,0) That's what I'm at (just got master pistoleer! Go me!) and I find my PvE prowess frightening.

I noticed that all these theories are based on the patch notes but not actual in-game testing. I thought all base weapon professions received a +105 skill mod in their particular 'avoid damage' skills. Pistoleer, Dodge. Carbineer, Counterattack. Rifleman, Cover. In their respective fields, they're all evenly matched as I assume these skills are basically the same thing with different names.

As for the Krayt FWG stuff, they also added a new rare component that's comparable to krayt tissues for OTHER weapons. I'm not a Master Weaponsmith so I have no clue what exactly this new part goes to, but I expect carbineers and riflemen won't exactly be left out. Sure, FWG5s in existance have the same stats, but for all you know this new component will work like a krayt in T21s.

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ScottieFL wrote:

Been thinking about this since the new publish yesterday. I'm gonna post this on several other relevant forums, too, to get the widest range of advice and opinions.

Someone correct my thinking if you think I'm wrong, but I think Pistoleer, with CH skill backup, is the way to go in this game now for any veteran player that wants to dominate in PvE or PvP. Here's why:

1. Pistoleers had their defense ENHANCED. Riflemen got improvements, too, but Pistoleers were already way ahead of them and since Pistoleers got enhanced, too, Riflemen are still behind.

2. Krayt FWGs will no longer be able to be manufactured, making the ones thatPistoleers nowhave even more valuable and deadly.

3. Guns don't decay when you die, but other stuff that's important to other classes, like Bio-engineered clothes, does. What an incredible advantage for all gunmen, but for Pistoleers, with the above two advantages, too, what a crusher. No contest.

I did BH Carbine 3 and LLC 4 in BH line to supplement my MCH, 'cause I love the LLC weapon and I wanted Fire Knockdown shot to perhaps try PvP someday. Because the LLC is so mighty, I thought this was at least equal to and perhaps a little better than just using uber-pistols. If you've ever used LLC 4, you know what I'm talking about.

But now, with Pistoleers having such overwhelming advantages, I think Pistoleer skills and BH Pistol 4 skills beat the heck out of my combo.

I haven't tried knockdown shots yet since the new publish, but they'd have to be much better than I think they are to beat out Pistoleers now.

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I just wanted to emphasize this portion of your post, so that people don't start in on the rant that Pistoleer is the profession giving the ultra boost here. Pistoleer alone won't give you the ultra-uberness that you're talking about, since the defenses alone aren't all that great (they're nice, but not uber).

It's the BH Pistol Speed combined with the Pistoleer Specials combined with Master Marksman (for your BH'ness) that really is it. Pistoleer as it stands alone...nope.

Since you're asking for advice & opinions, and want to be corrected in your thinking, I'll give mine:

1. Pistoleers had their defenses enchanced. That's great for the pistoleer, I agree, but does that make in the best SWG Profession? Have you ever played with these defenses? Defenses are way overated, in my opinion, but I'm happy I have them. Oh yeah, the dodge is pretty cool, but it stops you every time with the animation and a few times I've died because of it.

2. Kray FW issue. That weakens us. To turn a nerf on a marksman's pistolthat is very useful for not only Pistoleers, but also commandos,bh's and smugglers,into a reason why pistoleers are the best profession, is... a little absurd. So there are a few around. There are few pre-nerf T-21's around, as well as pre-nerf probots.

3. Guns don't decay when dying. They still decay at a pretty fast rate, especially for pistoleers since a lot of our specials and rate of fire is fast. Put a powerup on a pistol with 1.2 spd; it doesn't last long. This has nothing specific to do with pistoleers. This really isn't an advantage, they just didn't implement it in with item decay. There is no change.

Why didn't you put that master pistoleer with master ch is the most powerful combo in your subject line? Is that because that is one of your professions?

I guess you're just trolling, but that's ok, I needed to burn 5 minutes anyways. It's too bad somebody else's combo beats your combo. My combo beats other combos, bh/pistol beats my combo. MCH MRifle man beats my combo at 40+ meters out.

Good luck in whatever you're trying to do here.

Well Fire Knockdown doesn't have a KD delay so feel free to just keep pressing that and the pistoleer you're so afraid of won't be able to fire his gun once the entire figh

Your thinking of *charge shot*...Fire KD most certainly does have a 30 second delay.

And the defenses work, and they work **edit** well....And pistoleer who has bought another combat profession (like fencer or TKA or smuggler) that can not decimate a BH with ease, is honestly pretty sad in PvP.

Laeren, I think you are right and your are better saying what I tried to say - BH Pistol + Pistoleer specials are better than the BH Carbine + LLC specials that I have now.

And if they nerf LLC, which is anticipated by many, there will be absolutely no doubt that BH Pistol + Pistoleer specials are the way to go.

I posted this to answer you on your nerfhearding, trolling post on the discusion forum, because that's what this is, an attempt to get us nerfed even more:

Let's see if I can explain it to you:

"Been thinking about this since the new publish yesterday. I'm gonna post this on several other relevant forums, too, to get the widest range of advice and opinions."

What for? You'll just look like another troll! Which after reading this post you obviously are, but don't try so hard please.

"Someone correct my thinking if you think I'm wrong, but I think Pistoleer, with CH skill backup, is the way to go in this game now for any veteran player that wants to dominate in PvE or PvP. Here's why:"

Ok, so why are you saying that Pistoleer's is the best class, I can easily say that CH is the best class. That works both ways, if I was to get a master CH against a Master Pistoleer, the CH will win because of their level 50 (?) pet with 80 resist to almost all against a level 25 pistoleer. Try to back up your accusations with information.

"1. Pistoleers had their defense ENHANCED. Riflemen got improvements, too, but Pistoleers were already way ahead of them and since Pistoleers got enhanced, too, Riflemen are still behind."

This is stupid, please back up your accusations. Pistoleer's got a bump on their defenses. Which most of us asked for them not to tough until they deleted the stupid animation. When a pistoleer attacks, he is normally running away from the mob, when he dodges, his toon STOPS, does a side step, then continues to run, only problem is during the time that he stops and sidesteps, the mob he was running away from cought up to him and killed him. Rifleman received a SPEED INCREASE and an ACCURACY INCREASE. As it sits, A true pistoleer can shot his BEST special once every two seconds. A True rifleman can shoot his BEST special on a NON healable pool once every 1 second, and they just had their speed increased even more? Isn't pistol's suppose to be faster then a rifle? Also, Pistoleer's miss ALOT, and rifleman with over 100 accuracy will almost never miss now, so what are you argueing about rifleman being behind?

"2. Krayt FWGs will no longer be able to be manufactured, making the ones thatPistoleers nowhave even more valuable and deadly."

Hmm, More valuable yes. More deadly...NO. Just because it cannot be made anymore means that it will cause even more damage then before??? where is your logic in this? Please, get your head out of your ass.

"3. Guns don't decay when you die, but other stuff that's important to other classes, like Bio-engineered clothes, does. What an incredible advantage for all gunmen, but for Pistoleers, with the above two advantages, too, what a crusher. No contest."

So pistoleer's don't wear clothing? we don't use armor? I don't survey? And sorry to bust your bubble, but guns are suffering a decay on death and you can't insure it. Even TH admitted to it, if you don't believe me check the dev tracker, he had 6 (I think 6) brand new guns decay on him after he died. But everything else on him also decay's. Just because a pistoleer runs around with a gun means that NOTHING he is wearing will decay? Common, God gave you a brain for something, use it. Besides, this is like saying, "when I die, everything decays, but when a CH dies, his pet doesn't decay!" honestly, I think you need to shut up before you hurt yourself.

"I did BH Carbine 3 and LLC 4 in BH line to supplement my MCH, 'cause I love the LLC weapon and I wanted Fire Knockdown shot to perhaps try PvP someday. Because the LLC is so mighty, I thought this was at least equal to and perhaps a little better than just using uber-pistols. If you've ever used LLC 4, you know what I'm talking about.

But now, with Pistoleers having such overwhelming advantages, I think Pistoleer skills and BH Pistol 4 skills beat the heck out of my combo."

As I pointed out, Pistoleer's do not have an overwhelming advantage. All but two of our specials are useless or broken, we have less accuracy and less speed then any other ELITE professions, we have less accuracy and less speed in our 26 boxes (marksman and pistoleer tree) then a Bounty hunter with his 12 boxes of pistol. You cannot compare pistoleer with a prepatch FWG5 of 300 (average damage) to that of a BH LLC with 940 (average damage) weapon. In PvP BH can do one shot kills, a master pistoleer cannot do that unless he has one of the only TWO FWG5 that was ever made with over 500 max damage on it...and that will be a RARE one shot kill compaired to the average joe BH that can do it every time with an LLC which I have personally seen go over 1050 max damage!

"I haven't tried knockdown shots yet since the new publish, but they'd have to be much better than I think they are to beat out Pistoleers now."

You think that Pistoleer's KD is better then a BH's KD? what game have you been playing? Our KD is POINT BLANK RANGE, I have to be on TOP of the mob in order to KD him, you don't! My KD causes my weapons condition to decrease! Yours doesn't! So don't tell me that our KD is godly, like I said, get your head out of your ass please!

Stating that Pistoleer's are the best class then coming in here and you not being able to back up your claim is weak. About the only thing you have accomplished is saying that any CH that 'dabbles' in Pistol has an unfair advantage since his level 60 pet with 80% resist to all is receiving additional help from his owner. You also helped prove that MBH with LLC's are overpowering when they also 'dabble' in pistoleer for our defense mods. And the third thing you proved is that Pistol is really a 'dabbler's' profession since it's only good when you take it with another profession. If you only use pistoleer as your only form of combat profession then pistoleer is truely WEAK and BROKEN. Is there anything else you would like to prove?

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The flaming was done by others already, so I won't need to.

Stop embarassing us BHs and posting this crap.

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ScottieFL wrote:

Nope, Bolanos, your hatred is blinding you, bud. You're a bile-drenched gamer.

I'm searching for knowledge. I will search everywhere I can for it. I ain't gonna stop searching. I'm considering switching by BH skill points to Pistoleer. Lots of folks, including you, in your own endearing way, are giving me the knowledge I need to make this decision.

Since I'm not an expert like you, I have to ask questions to get that knowledge to base my decision on. This forum is great for that and I'm getting what I need to make my decision, flames and all.

You have a right to make all the negative posts you want. And I have a right to make all the positive, knowledge-seeking ones I want.

Lol.

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LOL, ok, by all means, DROP BH, pick up Pistoleer, then you can say that we are all great and powerful, or you can speek the truth after you experience it firsthand on just how broken Pistoleer is, as it's own class, not a dabbler's profession.

I'm not big into combat, I'm a miner with healing and ranger skills, I took up pistol because I love vash the stampede and because I love handguns in real life, and everyone knows that you need some form of protection in SWG, so it seemed logical for me to take pistol. I will not take BH or Smuggler just so i can become a true pistol weilder, because that is what needs to be done from how broken we are. Commando's and BH get a better pistol then us, BH and Smuggler's get better pistol specials which WORK. And you mean to tell me that we're better because of our dodge? please, learn the profession first before you speak crap and try to get us nerfed even more!

Peace, Bolanos, lol.

Ya' know, it's funny, but BHs think the same way about your profession as you think about yours - it's broken, weak and getting no attention from the devs.

CHs, my main profession, think the same way. Although I do think CHs got the biggest nerfs of all, so far.

What I'm trying to do is objectively decide what's best for me, based on what I like to do. I know MCH is for me, I'm just not sure what other profession is. With all the uber pistols I've spent too much for and the recent Pistoleer defense enhancement, Pistoleer sounds good - HAM costs for pistols are the lowest of all professions, too. Carbineer HAM costs are astronomical.

I want to apologize if I've offended anyone, though, and I also want to thank everyone for responding to my posts. I've learned a great deal.

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ScottieFL wrote:

...Since I'm not an expert like you, I have to ask questions to get that knowledge to base my decision on...

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Um, your subject is a statement, not a question. You are provoking pistoleers here, especially by making this claim on several boards. Try this: Drop BH, drop CH, drop Master Marksman then work your way up the pistoleer tree. After doing this, come back here and let us know how you feel about being *just* a pistoleer. While you're at it, give the pistoleer cert weapon a try and tell us how you think it compares to the marksman weapons available to many.

Honestly, if you'd worded your subject line differently, you'd have gotten a much better response. Now let me take a moment...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! We are the best SWG profession!? HAHAHAHAHAH!!! Holy Jesus!!! I must be using pistolMelee2 incorrectly, disarming shot 1 and 2 must do something that's really neat that I'm not aware of... (see also bodyShot3, pointBlankShot2, low speed, low accuracy) HAHAHAHAHA!!! "The Best SWG Profession"!!! Holy crap, I just peed my pants!

Sorry to burst your bubble but there are many issues that still need to be addressed before our profession even comes close to comparing with other professions. Your coming in here and claiming we are the best sets us back in our effort to bring attention to our broken skills and misdesigned mods.

My point is, don't be a troll, they are ugly, warty, green and smelly. And furthermore nobody likes them.

Thanks for the laugh though, I really needed it after this last patch...

-Bel (Master Pistoleer/Doctor)

Nope, Bolanos, your hatred is blinding you, bud. You're a bile-drenched gamer.

I'm searching for knowledge. I will search everywhere I can for it. I ain't gonna stop searching. I'm considering switching by BH skill points to Pistoleer. Lots of folks, including you, in your own endearing way, are giving me the knowledge I need to make this decision.

Since I'm not an expert like you, I have to ask questions to get that knowledge to base my decision on. This forum is great for that and I'm getting what I need to make my decision, flames and all.

You have a right to make all the negative posts you want. And I have a right to make all the positive, knowledge-seeking ones I want.

Lol.