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Thread: Humanoid NPCs RED to Master Pistoleer
P__Day wrote:
When i was a TKM id solo Storm Troopers without armor and buffs, but i would wear a mabari shirt to get ap1, do powerboost, and keep a pixie handy along with some chugs of brandy, + since im also a master smuggler id get in to about 25m distance`s, and do /lowblow and then run up to him. And i also use equalize a couple of times, and make sure to intimidate+stun+blind to slow em down, as a master you can solo mob`s unbuffed and without armor, but then u need tactics and to Examine the mob first, for instace theres no point in shooting at a rancor with the FWG5, figure out the best weapon for the job, apply stat effect`s at least have a shield gen handy, personally i dont think its fun to get hit for 4k + damage by a tusken warlord, but **edit** happens,
I don't like melee fighting. There's just something in the way it plays out, but I'm about to go to TKA because pistoleer is just way under powered.
Kaabezza wrote:
JCatano wrote:
Kaabezza wrote:
JCatano wrote:
Kaabezza wrote:
JCatano wrote:
We do comprehend what you're saying. You are upset, because a NPC without a name/affiliation killed/"owned" you. Oh, the horror........
with a comment like that, you obviously still don't.
Kaabezza wrote:
Why are there Humanoid NPCs who can completely own a Master Pistoleer? I went to Lok the other day and came accross some mercs all of whom were "certain death" when /considered. I figured this might be a bug so I found one off by himself and opened fire with my pistol. He killed me in THREE shots. This guy wasn't like a big boss or anything. He was just some guy generated out in the middle of nowhere.
To give you an idea about me. I'm a Master Pistoleer, BH 0 0 2 0, Novice Medic. Species is Wookiee. I was unbuffed and had no armor, but I shouldn't have to have them to kill some random NPC.
Again, you are complaining, because a NPC killed you. For some strange reason, you don't think he should have been able to do so.
again you aren't reading what I'm saying. He could kill me, but not completely own me. There's a difference there that you STILL didn't read. Ug.
The NPC was a red con on a high level planet. He beat the snot out of you. I don't care if you were Rambo, let alone a Master Pistoleer. I also don't care that it was a human NPC. What the heck does that have to do with anything? Humans aren't allowed to be strong?
I see in a later post you have now changed your stance to where you shouldn't have to be buffed or armored to beat red cons. Well, truth be told, the devs already said that nobody should be able to solo a red mob, although most of us can (because of buffs and armor). Guess what? Their idea was working in your little scenario.
Pick a gripe and stick with it. You first complained of getting killed. Now, you say that you shouldn't have to be buffed and armored to solo a red con. You won't get far with that logic in regard to the latter.
I see you still have read nothing. or if you did you chose to ignor most of it. Yes red, yes red = getting owned, BUT that should not have happened. It should not be red to me. White, maybe, but not red.
Read the first post. It says I should not have to have buffs or armor. The fact that you say I changed my stance tells me that you ignored everything I've been saying. It's not a complaint about being killed. I've been killed many times and it hasn't bothered me. Open your eyes and don't just read what you want to read. Read it all.
I said humanoid, not human. That includes every playable species in the game (and some others). This particular mob was a Zabrak. He should not be able to be more powerful than a player. Non-named Humanoid NPCs should have the same limitations as a player.
Give me one good reason whya "humanoid" should not be able to beat the hell out of you. You have the most flawed logic.....ever.....
not just any humanoid, but those humanoids who are just lackies. They shouldn't have more potential than me. If I could work up to that skill level, then it wouldn't be a problem, but as it stands, I can't.
How is this the most flawed logic ever? In my reasoning, these humanoids (In quotes for some reason) are not the most powerful beings in the galaxy. They should be controled more like players. They should have the same HAM and the same skill caps. None of this 15K-25k ham for one merc stuff or being more skilled with a pistol than I am. Next you're going to say, "but then they would be too easy!" Not really. I have fought TKAMs in PvP and it was a pretty even match. One didn't completely own the other and the battle took like 20-30 seconds and we were both hurting at the end. I won a few, they won a few. It all depended on who played their guy better.
I guess what I'm really saying is:
These guys should be more like computer controlled players rather than some uber monster. They can have buffs and armor and use good weapons, but as of right now, I can't have buffs as good as that or armor as good as that.
Hawaii5_o wrote:If you're getting owned by stormtroopers then you just suck at Pistoleer. It's good that you're changing profs.
not all storm troopers. Most of them are white to me, but some times I'll run across some that are red. they are allover, not just on Lok, but on tatooine too and naboo and corillia.
You seem to forget the AI will never be equivalent to PCs. The 200k HAM NPCs are there to try and make things more difficult. Yes, giving them 3k HAM wouldmake itincredibly easy to kill things, unless you tone down PvE damage 75%, just like they have done with PvP damage. Guess what, though? That is exactly the same as giving NPCs more HAM. Both prolong combat.
Let's pretend you didn't even compare PvP combat to PvE.......
Anyway, you still haven't given any reason why these "humanoids" shouldn't be able to wax you. Would it be better if "Jedi" was added to his name? This "lacky" kicked your butt, so obviously he wasn't one.
Spoonfed = Bad
JCatano wrote:You seem to forget the AI will never be equivalent to PCs. The 200k HAM NPCs are there to try and make things more difficult. Yes, giving them 3k HAM would make it incredibly easy to kill things, unless you tone down PvE damage 75%, just like they have done with PvP damage. Guess what, though? That is exactly the same as giving NPCs more HAM. Both prolong combat.
Let's pretend you didn't even compare PvP combat to PvE.......
Anyway, you still haven't given any reason why these "humanoids" shouldn't be able to wax you. Would it be better if "Jedi" was added to his name? This "lacky" kicked your butt, so obviously he wasn't one.
Spoonfed = Bad
you also forget that in PVP, the opponent also gets the 75% damage reduction effectivly giving ME more HAM too.
And as to AI being what a player is, who cares. Most players don't think in PvP anyway. They just run their script. So give NPCs a special sctipt (the devs will know what will be effective).
This lacky wasn't a a Jedi. He was a merc. Merc = lacky. And since I'm a master of an elite combat profession that in and of itself should mean that this lacky shouldn't own me. Killing, or waxing, me is a totally different thing. I've said many times that he should be able to kill me, just not mop the floor with me.
I didn't exactly compair PvP to PvE. I was just using PvP as an example as how regulating these guys like players wouldn't make them too weak. I was just saying that the combat would be more balanced that way (if they were created and played more like a player would have to). Both sides would have the 75% damage reduction effecivly giving us more HAM and making it more even.
I guess I'm the only one that thiks it's bogus to be less than these guys.
Kaabezza wrote:
you also forget that in PVP, the opponent also gets the 75% damage reduction effectivly giving ME more HAM too.
No, I didn't forget. Moving on........You can hit for 2k in PvE. The NPCs can hit for 2k. These NPCs do not have regen stats, nor are they very smart. They need to have high HAM and equavilent attacks.
And as to AI being what a player is, who cares. Most players don't think in PvP anyway. They just run their script. So give NPCs a special sctipt (the devs will know what will be effective).
Okay.....?
This lacky wasn't a a Jedi. He was a merc. Merc = lacky. And since I'm a master of an elite combat profession that in and of itself should mean that this lacky shouldn't own me. Killing, or waxing, me is a totally different thing. I've said many times that he should be able to kill me, just not mop the floor with me.
He mopped the floor with you. He wasn't a "lacky". Just because he'snot a Jedi doesn't mean he should be on equal basis with you. Maybe,he was a stacker.
I would also like to know why you think a Merc is a "lacky". Is there a description somewhere?
I didn't exactly compair PvP to PvE. I was just using PvP as an example as how regulating these guys like players wouldn't make them too weak. I was just saying that the combat would be more balanced that way (if they were created and played more like a player would have to). Both sides would have the 75% damage reduction effecivly giving us more HAM and making it more even.
I guess I'm the only one that thiks it's bogus to be less than these guys.
Yes.
Message Edited by JCatano on 04-18-2004 08:05 PM
Kaabezza wrote:
Oberon131313 wrote:
Kaabezza wrote:
You still don't get it. There should be no way that a humanoid lacky should have more potential than a player. The fact that he was red to me means he was so far beyond my skill that I'd have a snowball's chance to even wound him.
so you are pissed at the game's random name generator then? ( I know you aren't, and I'm waiting for the "you aren't reading" we all know is coming)
See, when people post stuff like what I just did, it's not because we aren't reading, it's because we are trying to prove a point....anyways, back to my point...
You've already stated that it was a red con mob. That was un-named. And this red con mob killed you. Sounds to me like you should be yelling at the random name generator.
NERF TEH NAME GENERATOR!!!!1!!!threeeminustwo!!!1
No. That was fine to pop next to me like it did. You all seem to be hung up on the fact that it was red, all the time I'm saying it shouldn't be red. White or yellow, but not red to a master level (plus BH w/ eyeshot).
The fact that a RED killed me is not my problem. Rancors kill me all the time, they're red to me, but rancors are creatures and not included in my arguments. My argument is vs non-named (random punks) humaniods.
my question is, why shouldn't it have been red? Simply because he didn't have a name? Maybe he did have a name, you just didn't ask it...maybe he wouldn't have killed you if you had asked him what his name was, instead of just assuming his name was (a mercenary)
In all seriousness though...it looks like you are trying to outthink the con system. Guess what....the con system TOLD you that he would be certain death...the fact is, you ignored it.
Don't you think it's funny that you have all of these people responding to your thread, and yet somehow, they are all wrong...
You know the saying,
"if one person calls you a Hutt, blow them off. If two people call you a Hutt, begin to doubt yourself. If three people call you a Hutt, buy a drool bucket and start pushing spice..."
JCatano wrote:
No, I didn't forget. Moving on........You can hit for 2k in PvE. The NPCs can hit for 2k. These NPCs do not have regen stats, nor are they very smart. They need to have high HAM and equavilent attacks.
That might be so, but they still shouldn't be so strong that a player at master level combat can take them out in 1 or two shots.
And as to AI being what a player is, who cares. Most players don't think in PvP anyway. They just run their script. So give NPCs a special sctipt (the devs will know what will be effective).Okay.....?
In other words, just make a script that's a good combo for the AI to use every time. I've seen many PVP and PVE sctipts that players use so they don't have to think in combat. All you'd need to do is make one for these NPCs.He mopped the floor with you. He wasn't a "lacky". Just because he's not a Jedi doesn't mean he should be on equal basis with you. Maybe, he was a stacker.
Merc's are hired guns. They work for some boss some where. A lackey ( I should learn to spell LOL) is defined as the following:
1. A liveried male servant; a footman.
2. A servile follower; a toady.
Maybe I've been focused too much on this one red merc, but I guess what hacks me off the most is that most Storm Troopers are white to me (an even match). Don't you think it's kind of shameful that those guys who are no more than a foot soldier is an even match for any one player of a master combat profession? These guys aren't exactly elite professionals here. I am an elite professional.
I guess I'm the only one that thinks it's bogus to be less than these guys.Yes.
Well not exactly. I know lots of people who feel the same way, but I can't convince them to post on here. They think it's a waste of time. And it probably is.
Message Edited by JCatano on 04-18-2004 08:05 PM
Oberon131313 wrote:
Kaabezza wrote:my question is, why shouldn't it have been red? Simply because he didn't have a name?
No. Because he has some how gained more power than any player can gain even though he is the same species and profession.
Maybe he did have a name, you just didn't ask it...maybe he wouldn't have killed you if you had asked him what his name was, instead of just assuming his name was (a mercenary)In all seriousness though...it looks like you are trying to outthink the con system. Guess what....the con system TOLD you that he would be certain death...the fact is, you ignored it.
Again. Not what I was saying at all. Please read the above statement.Don't you think it's funny that you have all of these people responding to your thread, and yet somehow, they are all wrong...
I just think they're picking out what they want to pick out. And that is, I'm complaining that I got killed. No that's not it. They're also think I'm complaining about the con system. No I normally like the con system. It works well for me untill it bugges out.
It's all there. I'm just too lazy to type it again.You know the saying,
"if one person calls you a Hutt, blow them off. If two people call you a Hutt, begin to doubt yourself. If three people call you a Hutt, buy a drool bucket and start pushing spice..."
You know... I've been talking to people in real life and they all seem to agree with me. They are not all friends and family. I have talked to other people who play the game who I met here in town. And several others. They all agree that it sucks to be less than or = to a storm trooper or other lackey.