Pistoleer Archive

I think Jaegan is right, and it's good that he's expressing our concerns instead of letting the Bounty Hunters trolls convince him to keep quiet. It's lame how all the BHs are super sensitive about nerfs right now ... just give it a rest. They're going to nerf Underhand whether or not Jaegan sends his post, and they probably will ignore whatever we're saying about pistols. LOL

I think the concern is valid, anyway. I'm a pistoleer *and* I'm heading up the BH pistol line, and it is much easier to get the BH pistol line. The fact that you get better specials (aside from disarm 2, at master pistoleer), and can fire faster with a pistol for just four skill boxes is an issue. Like Jaegan said, most of us care about itand any non-biased person can see that it's a reason why pistoleer needs to be fixed. Right now a lot of us feel like we need to go to the BH pistol line to get worthwhile specials or the speed we want.

Samra Hael
Pistoleer / Scylla
KOTOR

KaitlynAscas

Clearly my tests showed +30 dodge had 0 effect vs a pistol 3 users. I don't like that either way personally.

But regardless, I'm going to attempt to find you in-game this week to test it, if you have time. Great feedback, thanks

I vote to reelect Jaegen88 to office.

/vote

Cheese

Nice Job Jaegen, most issues are talked and metioned about, i also agree with Nanilawaffer , he mentions that he always fights with his SWg5 which is also my case and also anyones case at master pistoleer.

Imo, the Dx2 should be removed and added only to the Master pistoleer box as a pistol certification. Also, it should have roughly about the same stats as the Scatter pistol. Or add completely a new pistol for the Master Pisto.

And yes Dodging and Kd pros seems to have probs atm as i can see.... I think those 2 issues about the pistoleer along with the other fixes on non special working (Bh3 etc.. ) should fix the class at its real value.

Again nice post Jaegen, i think were getting somewhere.

first off, great great post Jaegen88, I can see why they picked you.

here's my two cents.

We don't need more pistol certifications. The problem is the resources. A power5 should be better than a scout blaster overall, a FWG5 better still, the BH pistol (forgot name) better still, the DX2 should be the best pistol in the game. And it might be, but no one knows because the resources suck. So there is no point to argue it. People say the BH pistol is better, and then they say the resources for DX2 suck.. well, wait till resources come around and we'll see what pistol is better. If DX2 with highest possible resources is still worse, then feel free to gripe.

I guess I have to comment on the BH vs. Pistoleer debate. I don't want to, but it is important. When it comes to straight up pistol use, i.e. BH with pistol vs. pistoleer, the pistoleer should win. Hands down. Somebody spends 50 hours using a Magnum and their opponent spends 15 hours practicing with magnum and 15 with uzi and 20 with a bazooka, the magnum only guywill win if the other guys uses a magnum, he'll get rocked ifthe other guyuses the uzi or bazooka. That's why BH are a better combat class. They can use more weapons, which gives them more options. Again the primary point of this rant, is that in a fight between a Pistoleer and a BH with a pistol, pistoleer should have all the advantages, but the BH can switch to a flame thrower or something if they want to. That's the way it's suppose to be. so don't gripe all you BH about not being as good at pistol, you are not suppose to be... but you have carbine and hvy weapons stuff... use it! but it sounds like because of the problems with pistoleer mods and skills that the advantages we have are not working right, so they should be fixed / buffed.

i agree holsters and cool pistol tricks (like spins or something) would be cool, but don't hold your breathe. Using two pistols would be cool, even if they cut the damage by say 40-50% for each.. it would end up the same damage wise, but darn it would look so cool!

I trust the devs and i know things will work out in the end. and I trust Jaegen to do his job right.

just my 2 creds

#5 = Class Envy.

Before I begin, let me explain that I am a Pistoleer. I also happen to be a Bounty Hunter.

First off, if you want to use the Bounty Hunter skills, just take up Bounty Hunter. I did.

Second, What's that you say? You don't want to burn all those skill points on traps, rifles, carbines, camps,camoflauge, and etc? Neighter did I.

A Master Pistoleer has something like 175 points left over to do whatever he wants with.This includes taking up other skills which would help you be the "master pistol user" you'd like to be. Smuggler Pistol Skills, TK, Master Medic... you can be all these things and the skills you get for it aid you in becomming a "master pistol user". And, while your at it... Go ahead... be a Bounty Hunter.

has anyone REALLY verified the scatter is ar1? it was hitting for full dmg-resists on ar2 and 3 targets for a friend of mine, but that was 2 patches ago, maybe its been fixed?

any acid dmg gun will blow for pvp and be pretty good pve..therein lies the problem tho, half the world wants to pvp in this game, guess they like being one shotted and losing faction

We don't need more pistol certifications. The problem is the resources. A power5 should be better than a scout blaster overall, a FWG5 better still, the BH pistol (forgot name) better still, the DX2 should be the best pistol in the game. And it might be, but no one knows because the resources suck. So there is no point to argue it. People say the BH pistol is better, and then they say the resources for DX2 suck.. well, wait till resources come around and we'll see what pistol is better. If DX2 with highest possible resources is still worse, then feel free to gripe.

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I agree, I've posted a similar argument....hopefully that's how it will be addressed (by either crafting being fixed and/or resources being made more available). This issue was also coupled with pistoleers who wanted ALL pistol certifications, (scatter, launcher), so I combined it. Not elegant, but with only a top 5....

I"m getting tired of all the BH coming over here and telling us to stop compairing, what are you afraid of? The fact that you know it's not balanced? How can we be MASTER PISTOLEER'S and not be able to use a pistol because we're not certified? Guess we're not master's then. How can we be MASTER PISTOLEER'S and shoot slower and less acurate with a pistol then a BH? You know as well as the rest of us that a BH should be a mold. The BH is the jack of armed melee trade. They can shoot it all, rifle, carbine, pistol's, and still have some tricks up their sleeves from the scout class (traps) and still have points left over for medic to heal themselves. You have something that Pistoleer's don't have, you can walk into a fight and say, hmm, this guy has only 600 for mind, let me use that eye shot with my rifle, or vis-versa with health and switching to pistol. That's what makes you powerful, being that Jack that can adapt to the current situations.

I mentioned the BH being a mold, and that is what they should be, a template for the other class's, the parent class's of the BH. In other words, If the highest damage a master pistoleer (or any other skill, rifle or carbine) does a max damage with his/her best special of 600 points, then your best special using that same skill (pistol, rifle, carbine) should NOT exceed that amount, if anything it should be less, by at least 100 points in this example. ( I used 600 because I read on another post someone hitting the BH for 600 and the BH was hitting for 700 using their best on each other or something similar to that, that is not right when both are using pistol's)

I want the BH to come here and Prove to me that the BH is SUPPOSE to be the TRUE Master Pistoleer's. What reason's could you possibly have for the BH to be the true master's of the pistol's? while your trying to come up with your answer, you can also add an answer to why SOE added Master Pistoleer to the skill tree's??? Yea, try to make sence and fight your way out of that question.

Bah, try being a Squad Leader, that truly blows, but that's for another forum. Here, I just wanted to comment on adding the DX2 to the master box. No way, no how. Not that I am worried about waiting for it. The reason I object is that this is a 100% player driven economy. If you have 1000 novice pistoleers and 10 master pistoleers on your server are you, the Master Weaponsmith, going to devote more time to making better FWG5 or better DX2. Yeah, you make great FWG5 and so-so DX2.

SOE made a big mistake when they limited the resources to make the better weapons. I only assume they did this so you wouldn't have your ultimate gun within a month of release. But now the FWG5 is so good its hardly worth it to the weaponsmith to make a DX2, even when the resources are better. How much experimentation will they have to go through just to get it within the speed and damage class of a FWG5? No one will buy these guns in the meantime so they are only losing money on resources. It ticks me off because, if I recall, they did not have these rotating resources in Beta and had some decent DX2s. Once the game went live they implemented an untested system (haha, surprised?) and we all reap the benefits.

But that's a rant and I'll desist before I incur the locking wrath upon us all.

And thank you Jaegen for bringing up the BH issue on your report. More than likely they will look at it and say "quit whining, your defense cancels out their extra bonus leaving you with the edge" or some such. Some would prefer you not mention it because they want to fly under the radar. This issue is so out in the open that one more mention won't influence it either way, so we might as well say what's on our minds.

Decorm, go play in a different forum.

Jaegens post was by far the best piece I've seen from a correspondent. The Master Pistoleer vs. BH issue is completely valid in the way he presented it.

I really am extremely thankful to have him as our voice.