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Thread: Make Scatter Wieldable at Master Pistoleer

Squidwalker
Mon Apr 05, 2004 8:55 am
#53

Actually a DX2 can be made better then a good scatter. I know a few MBH that use DX2 instead. The problem is totally something else. A BH can put out A LOT more damage the a Pistoleer



Teranus Blan'Fyl
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OryxHoth
Mon Apr 05, 2004 9:43 am
#54

I think some pistoleers may still be in love with the pre-nerf scatter, but the post-nerf version is no better than the new DX2 (better accuracy). I use my DX2 almost exclusively.

I agree that bounty hunters use up a lot of skill points, but they do get some fabulous pistol specials (eye shot, torso shot) -- specials that actually work. Pistoleers have lamer specials, half of which don't work.

A master of pistols should be able to use all the pistols in-game, whether they are effective weapons or not.



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ArchFirehaven
Mon Apr 05, 2004 10:40 am
#55

Yes SilentJay Bounty Hunters are outlaws....uhm then why is there a friggen guild sanctioned by the Imperial leadership...why is there a bunch of them on Vader's flagship...and the number one reason why your logic is UBER flawed....why can't smugglers use them then? They are definition of outlaws.


And being an "outlaw" would really be an RP thing and there is nothing to say that Pistoleers too cannot be outlaws...I mean in the old west genre gunfighter and gunslinger were at times used to describe outlaws like Billy the Kid and Jesse James. But more to the point the whole "outlaw" arguement is invalid as I stated above.


And even more to the point all sliced weapons are outlawed and I am sure most of us use them....why worry about the scatter itself being illegal when we have sliced weapons coming out of our ears? Second you think the rifleman with the military grade T21 is worried abou legality?


Which is the best pistol in the game is a matter of opinion and play style....I like the Scatter pistol and use a Post Nerf Scatter (Krayted and Sliced).


The question isnt whether it is the best...only that like all other elite classes we should have access to all of our weapons in game (though I can see the argument to exclude the launcher pistol).






8Firehaven7
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Squidwalker
Mon Apr 05, 2004 11:29 am
#56

You are still all missing the point. Do this, find a master BH, that has at least novice pistoleer, so they can at least use the DX2. Then have them do their best special at something and see the damage. Then take a master pistoleer, with the same DX2 and hit the same thing.


Guarentee the BH does a lot more damage. Our profession sux as it is right now. Just accetp it. If you got the SP, and want to spend them on something else instead of or with Pistoleer, then go ahead.


I only have points for one combat profession, and only one main ones no hybrids. I'm Master Ranger, novice medic. So not a lotof points, and I don't want to drop any ranger.


But my chosen combat was pistoleer. I love the play style of it, but not the amount of power I have, or the lack flexibility I have, or the lack of options I have.





Teranus Blan'Fyl
OldSchool Ranger
Short-Timer
Spike7913
Mon Apr 05, 2004 1:57 pm
#57






SilentJay1284 wrote:

Want another arguement? A Scatter pistol is llegal and Bounty Hunter's are outlaws.






then smugglers should be able to use it



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SilentJay1284
Mon Apr 05, 2004 2:21 pm
#58






ArchFirehaven wrote:

Yes SilentJay Bounty Hunters are outlaws....uhm then why is there a friggen guild sanctioned by the Imperial leadership...why is there a bunch of them on Vader's flagship...and the number one reason why your logic is UBER flawed....why can't smugglers use them then? They are definition of outlaws.






If you watch Empire Strikes Back, you'll notice how the crew is disgusted being next to the Bounty Hunters. You also notice Vader's stern voice when he says "Bounty Hunters." Vader says that name with pure disgust but needs them to track.



Just end this stupid arguement now. Let the classes have some uniqueness. You guys are being greedy and totally pointless. Might as well give 1-h Lightsabers to Fencers, 2-h lightsabers to Swordsmans, and Polearm-Sabers to Pikeman.







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Kevie
Mon Apr 05, 2004 2:26 pm
#59

silentjay i totally agree...... just hope you realise you're not the only intelligent person in this thread




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ArchFirehaven
Mon Apr 05, 2004 2:43 pm
#60

Well SilentJay is only intelligent if that means he is totally wrong which he is.


Actually you dont have to read the books but just watch the films to understand the the dislike of the bounty hunters by the Imperial command staff. Not only are they being brought in to do the job the Imperial officers have not yet been able to complete but most of them are also aliens thus making it even more insulting.


Now if you SilentJay would have bothered to read any of the EU books (and this game obviously uses the EU a lot) then you would also realize that the Bounty Hunters for the most part enjoyed the disdain and were somewhat amused (with the exception if IG-88 and 4-LOM who have no emotions per say). You would also realize that not only was there a formal guild but the Empire used bounty hunters all the time (Vader has a past relationship with Boba Fett and to some extent Dengar is a Bounty Hunter actually created by the Empire though as more of an assassin, whichi is also IG-88's story mind you).


And most importantly you are somehow trying to connect the idea of not being liked to being an outlaw. That doesnt even make sense. So let me get this straight...if I dont like my boss at work I can call the cops because obviously this guy is a criminal and an outlaw. Geez can you at least attempt to make sense.


Bounty Hunters should have unique weapons....bounty hunter weapons...not the weapons of another class thatin this game the precedent has already been set by the other elite combat professions.


The only person being greedy is you. In fact many Bounty Hunters tend to have that view...a pity as I am a Bounty Hunter. Basically if you believed in what Wepps (I like to call him Weeps) was saying back in the day you are usually an unreasonable ignorant whiner.


Giving and wanting equality is not greedy. Trying to hold onto something without reason (and you have given none despite your meager efforts) that should not be held onto soley by a particular group for no reason other than its own selfish tendencies is by definition greedy.


Stop trying to lay what is becoming the normal Bounty Hunter self confidence issues at the doorstep of the pistoleers. Especially when you are still argueably better and more dangerous with a pistol than Master Pistoleers are which is a joke only superceded by the fact your dense carbon black hole like minds cannot seem to admit or possibly comprehend the stupidity of it. Get....a ...clue.





8Firehaven7
Chilastra Born . Day One


SilentJay1284
Mon Apr 05, 2004 2:52 pm
#61






ArchFirehaven wrote:

Giving and wanting equality is not greedy.




O, I am sorry, I thought I was playing a game where there was such thing as class differences. My bad.




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SilentJay1284
Mon Apr 05, 2004 3:04 pm
#62

Because of this post, the following conclusion can be made:



  • All pistol specials are found in the Pistoleer class as well as all the pistols.

  • AllCarbine specials are found in theCarbineer class

  • All rifleman/carbineer weapons are on par with Pistoleer, as are they specials.

  • Rifleman/Carbineer/Pistol have the same speed, DPS, specials, and weapons damage range.

  • The difference between these classes is purely cosmetic.

  • BH is now a class that gets the ability to hunt players, and nothing more.

  • Added Meditation to the Fencer/Swordsman/Pikemen classes.

  • Added Lightsabers to the Fencer/Swordsman/Pikemen classes.

  • All melee professions have the same speed, DPS, specials, and weapons damage range.

  • The difference between these classes is purely cosmetic

  • Combat Medics can now revive, buff, heal state, extinguish fire, cure poison/dizzy.

  • Doctors can now throw poisons, throw disease, heal mind,use area stims, and have terrain negotiation.

  • The difference between these two classes are the use of Skill Points

  • The following classes have been removed from the game due to imbalance issues: Smuggler, Commando, Creature Handler, andSquadleader.





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ArchFirehaven
Mon Apr 05, 2004 3:13 pm
#63


/sigh


Do you even bother to think?


Okay lets do a class difference analysis...shall we


Bounty Hunter has an Investigation line....no one else does

Bounty Hunter has specific missions that no other class can do....

Bounty Hunter has access to a heavy weapons that only Commandos have....

Bounty Hunter has multiple classes of weapons with associated specials and mods....again only commando has a similiar situation.


Bounty Hunters have the only mind damaging pistol shot in the game (actually two of them as iirc Bleeding shot does a mind bleed and thus direct mind damage now)

Bounty Hunters have the only Fire DOT pistol shot in the game

Bounty Hunters have the only Carbine attack that does KD and Dizzy in the same attack (though that may have changed last patch I do not play a carbineer).


And finally Bounty Hunters are the only class that can have missions that actually hunt other players.


Is that enough for you? Do your really need more?


Hmmm lets take a look at some others...see if you can see that pattern...


TKA...Canuse all the unarmed weapons in the game (well just the VK but still)

Fencer..Can use all the one handedmelee weapons ingame.

Swordsman...Can use all the two handed melee weapons in game.

Pikeman...Can use all the polearm weapons in game.

Carbineer...Can use all the carbines in the game.

Rifleman...Can use all the Rifles in the game.

Pistoleers...Can use all the pistols....well no uhm can use most...uhm...yeah


And iirc lightsabers have their own mods, damage, and xp and thus are seperate weapons completely...relating them to fencers, swordsman, and pikeman is really an example of your own inability to understand this discussion and this game.


Edit to answer to Silent's last post: Hmmm no one ever said that we should have your specials. That is your own paranoid issues working through you. We are only reacting to the ALREADY EXISTING PRECEDENT in game already. All Elite Combat Classes have access to all weapons of their class except pistoleer. Nothing about specials or special abilities, simply put the game already exists this way...do you understand that....do you get that....is it actually registering with you. Do you honestly think everyone is out to get you? Do you realize how much of joke you are and how badly you are representing the bounty hunter class?


Stop trying to go off on tangents that have nothing to do with the real issue here...stop trying to prove your points with non-points....instead try to actually think ofa solution to this that actually is a solution to this actual discussion. Or just leave...because so far you have provided nothing but a laugh and further proof of why the Bounty Hunters in this game get ignored (hint it is because of the small Weeps like segment).

Message Edited by ArchFirehaven on 04-05-2004 03:19 PM




8Firehaven7
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Atteke
Mon Apr 05, 2004 3:18 pm
#64


The reason people think Bounty Hunters are over powered is because you Master Gunfighters, Bounty Hunters 0,0,4,0 steal our specials and spam them like hell leaving us to get the nerf /sigh.I decided to lurk in your forum and see if your getting your own specials fixed only to find you trying to steal our gun you would think a Master Bounty Hunter would know how to defend themselves but in SWG the BH was ment to be very strong but had little or no defence but a Pistoleer has very good pistol skills, defence and skill points left over to balance it out plus your getting dual/duel (i can't spell today) pistols soon and your still not happy.



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SilentJay1284
Mon Apr 05, 2004 3:19 pm
#65

Yes, I do think. I like classes that have thier own uniqueness. You dont. Do I care if BH have scatter? No, why should I? A BH is good at taking down thier marks, and what are thier marks weak to? Acid ! ! Unless you want to put both the DX2 and Scatter in Pistols 4 so BH can still kill thier marks.


This is another reason why I don't see a BH-only carbine, carbine 4 has an acid carbine.




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