Pistoleer Archive
Thread: DEVs Pistoleers can't use Scatter Pistol, why not?
Hakkin
Wed Sep 24, 2003 5:32 am
#40
Darn, I shouldn't have mentioned the sekert handshake...
*goes into hiding now*
Slivck
Wed Sep 24, 2003 5:34 am
#41
Mohrravvian wrote:
Yes but a pistoleer should be able, by definition, to use ANY weaponclassified asa "Pistol". I mean, the whole point of being a Pistoleer is to gain mastery of PISTOLS... not SOME Pistols, but ALL Pistols, illegal, legal or whatever. It's simple logic: if it's a Pistol, a Pistoleer should know how to work it better than ANYONE.
Does it even matter really? I mean, aren't 9 out of 10 pistoleers taking the Bounty Pistol tree anyways? Thought so.
"I hateall rebels and Pistoleers are working their way to their status as well, plain and simple"
-Slivck Ar'kis
WinterRoseASFR
Wed Sep 24, 2003 6:15 am
#42
Lando_Griffin? I quite agree that the two pistols probably aren't that far apart. They're just pistols with different stats, a different model in game and a slightly different effect. But how is it selfish that we'd like to be able to use both to give the title of Master Pistoleer a bit of meaning? Do Bounty Hunters think we want to take the Scatter AWAY from you? We don't. We'd just like to be able to use it too. Where's the harm? Where's the foul?
Actually, looking at the Scatter reminds me of a great big offensive pepper shaker. Though truth be told, that's an intimidating thought. The army IS testing sonic driven pepper-spray weapons. Kind of like a particle laden sonic burst weapon. The DX-2 is kinda generic looking, but I've seen the sketches it comes from, and it's not that far off from its source material. Actually it reminds me of those clear plastic spring loaded ping-pong pistols you used to be able to get in the grocery stores. Are those still out there?
AuxZillary? Wow did I hit a nerve there or something? Why SHOULD anyone else need to suffer? How does it hurt the Bounty Hunter class for Pistoleers to be able to use the Scatter? How does it detract from your profession? Will Bounty Hunters operate any less efficiently than they do now if their pistol is shared with the Pistoleer class? If you're upset by the idea, tell me why.
As for not getting out of a profession I want... Well, I sort of grimly hang on to Pistoleer and hope they'll fix our problems. HOPEFULLY not at some other profession's expense. I don't PvP at all. I never have PvP'd. It's not what I'm in it for. I started my character from a clearly written out description and backstory, then chose my professions based on what would suit her character best. Honestly, cos the grind of combat when not out hunting with folks was starting to get boring, I chose a non-combat class for my secondary profession.
I'm a Master Dancer now, as well as a Pistoleer. If folks want to chant about how bad off your class' skills are, I would really advocate being a dancer for a little while. Nothing teaches you a bit of humility like a class that's dependent on the goodwill of others for its income while 60 to 75 % of the upper level flourishes are low level placeholders for dance steps they haven't even motion capped yet. Why did I do it then?
I did it because going along with my character's background, I enjoy the idea of her being a dancer and a pistoleer. It really is that simple. I wanted her to be someone who could have a good time while entertaining others, but when the chips were down, that she could pick up any pistol that she laid her hands to and hold her own with other combat classes to defend herself. Because she's not the strongest or biggest person, pistols would be the weapons that she uses, relying on a weapon with a little bit of speed and finesse.
Getting to be REALLY honest, I'd have liked to choose to have a Zeltron for her race, but those aren't implemented. And I'm not really sure I'll ever see one in the game, truth be told. (Look em up. Zeltrons from the pleasure planet Zeltros. You'll find entries about em online, and examples of em in the old Marvel Comics run of SW in the issues leading up to or after Return of the Jedi.) Does it still sound to you like I don't know what I want? I came into the game with some pretty specific ideas about what I wanted actually. And I'm making the best of what I have now to get a bit of enjoyment out of that. I don't regret a single skill point I've spent. The ones I spent in carbineer, hunting and trapping? Well, the moment I found I didn't need or want those skills to suit my playing style, those skills got axed for the points. They were a waste of time and space and I did something about it. I'm playing the classes I want. And will continue to do so hoping they get fixed.
Okay AuxZilla, your bluff's been called. Told you exactly what I wanted and admitted that the stuff I didn't want was a waste of time. How about you tell me how Bounty Hunters will suffer if Pistoleers get to use the scatter as well? Did you want to be a Bounty Hunter? Why? As long as we're bringing what we want into it, justify your existence and your heroically selfless skill point expenditure and enlighten us with the reason you want to stay a Bounty Hunter and why you think that'll be diminished if Pistoleers get a little meaning by having access to the scatter. Remember, we don't want to take it AWAY from you. We'd just like to be able to use it too. Let me have it. Convert me and make me believe. I'm listening. This is your your shot. Aim true and don't miss.
"Don't rush to judgement on something like that until all the facts are in."
-Martin Blank, "Grosse Point Blank"
The Zeltron Zabrak, Rookery DeCarabas, GunDancer
Corona Valinor, Corellia, Eclipse
For a full image of Rookery DeCarabas holding a DL-44 and a Bryar Pistol see:
http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=479118&Start=1&Artist=WinterRose&ByArtist=Yes
Actually, looking at the Scatter reminds me of a great big offensive pepper shaker. Though truth be told, that's an intimidating thought. The army IS testing sonic driven pepper-spray weapons. Kind of like a particle laden sonic burst weapon. The DX-2 is kinda generic looking, but I've seen the sketches it comes from, and it's not that far off from its source material. Actually it reminds me of those clear plastic spring loaded ping-pong pistols you used to be able to get in the grocery stores. Are those still out there?
AuxZillary? Wow did I hit a nerve there or something? Why SHOULD anyone else need to suffer? How does it hurt the Bounty Hunter class for Pistoleers to be able to use the Scatter? How does it detract from your profession? Will Bounty Hunters operate any less efficiently than they do now if their pistol is shared with the Pistoleer class? If you're upset by the idea, tell me why.
As for not getting out of a profession I want... Well, I sort of grimly hang on to Pistoleer and hope they'll fix our problems. HOPEFULLY not at some other profession's expense. I don't PvP at all. I never have PvP'd. It's not what I'm in it for. I started my character from a clearly written out description and backstory, then chose my professions based on what would suit her character best. Honestly, cos the grind of combat when not out hunting with folks was starting to get boring, I chose a non-combat class for my secondary profession.
I'm a Master Dancer now, as well as a Pistoleer. If folks want to chant about how bad off your class' skills are, I would really advocate being a dancer for a little while. Nothing teaches you a bit of humility like a class that's dependent on the goodwill of others for its income while 60 to 75 % of the upper level flourishes are low level placeholders for dance steps they haven't even motion capped yet. Why did I do it then?
I did it because going along with my character's background, I enjoy the idea of her being a dancer and a pistoleer. It really is that simple. I wanted her to be someone who could have a good time while entertaining others, but when the chips were down, that she could pick up any pistol that she laid her hands to and hold her own with other combat classes to defend herself. Because she's not the strongest or biggest person, pistols would be the weapons that she uses, relying on a weapon with a little bit of speed and finesse.
Getting to be REALLY honest, I'd have liked to choose to have a Zeltron for her race, but those aren't implemented. And I'm not really sure I'll ever see one in the game, truth be told. (Look em up. Zeltrons from the pleasure planet Zeltros. You'll find entries about em online, and examples of em in the old Marvel Comics run of SW in the issues leading up to or after Return of the Jedi.) Does it still sound to you like I don't know what I want? I came into the game with some pretty specific ideas about what I wanted actually. And I'm making the best of what I have now to get a bit of enjoyment out of that. I don't regret a single skill point I've spent. The ones I spent in carbineer, hunting and trapping? Well, the moment I found I didn't need or want those skills to suit my playing style, those skills got axed for the points. They were a waste of time and space and I did something about it. I'm playing the classes I want. And will continue to do so hoping they get fixed.
Okay AuxZilla, your bluff's been called. Told you exactly what I wanted and admitted that the stuff I didn't want was a waste of time. How about you tell me how Bounty Hunters will suffer if Pistoleers get to use the scatter as well? Did you want to be a Bounty Hunter? Why? As long as we're bringing what we want into it, justify your existence and your heroically selfless skill point expenditure and enlighten us with the reason you want to stay a Bounty Hunter and why you think that'll be diminished if Pistoleers get a little meaning by having access to the scatter. Remember, we don't want to take it AWAY from you. We'd just like to be able to use it too. Let me have it. Convert me and make me believe. I'm listening. This is your your shot. Aim true and don't miss.
"Don't rush to judgement on something like that until all the facts are in."
-Martin Blank, "Grosse Point Blank"
The Zeltron Zabrak, Rookery DeCarabas, GunDancer
Corona Valinor, Corellia, Eclipse
For a full image of Rookery DeCarabas holding a DL-44 and a Bryar Pistol see:
http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=479118&Start=1&Artist=WinterRose&ByArtist=Yes
Grexor
Wed Sep 24, 2003 9:36 am
#43
Hmm.. let's apply some fun logic..
A Lightsabre is a sword made of light (energy).
A sabre is a type of sword.
A Master Swordsman is a master of all swords.
ERGO, a Master Swordsman should be able to use a lightsabre.
Also, since the Master swordsman has spent all his/her time mastering swords, he/she should be better with the Lightsabre because he/she has spent 18 boxes JUST working on swords whereas the jedi has not, after all the Master Jedi is a hybrid profession.
Yeah... right. Obviously this logic is skewed, but its the same logic being presented in this post.
Whether a Master Pistoleer should get all certs for all pistols is not the issue. The issue is the way the game is designed.
The game is designed to not give Masters access to everything. Whether your a Master Musician and are forced to get Master Entertainer so you can use the Madivol, or a Master Pistoleer forced to get Novice BH so you can use the scatter pistol, its the same thing. It's game design. Argue that master pistoleers should get all pistols all you want, believe me the musicians and dancers have been making that argument since release.
If the dev's wont make that change for a class (entertainer) that has zero impact on anything , its doubtful that it will realistically be made for a combat class where a change would impact PVP.
That being said they have given the Master musician a way to get all the instruments/songs, just like they have given Master Pistoleers a way to get that scatter cert. The problem is that it takes away other opportunities. Choices have consequences, even in this game.
Notice, this post is not about scatter being only a BH pistol, its about the way the game is designed, translation, its a class inspecific post.
A Lightsabre is a sword made of light (energy).
A sabre is a type of sword.
A Master Swordsman is a master of all swords.
ERGO, a Master Swordsman should be able to use a lightsabre.
Also, since the Master swordsman has spent all his/her time mastering swords, he/she should be better with the Lightsabre because he/she has spent 18 boxes JUST working on swords whereas the jedi has not, after all the Master Jedi is a hybrid profession.
Yeah... right. Obviously this logic is skewed, but its the same logic being presented in this post.
Whether a Master Pistoleer should get all certs for all pistols is not the issue. The issue is the way the game is designed.
The game is designed to not give Masters access to everything. Whether your a Master Musician and are forced to get Master Entertainer so you can use the Madivol, or a Master Pistoleer forced to get Novice BH so you can use the scatter pistol, its the same thing. It's game design. Argue that master pistoleers should get all pistols all you want, believe me the musicians and dancers have been making that argument since release.
If the dev's wont make that change for a class (entertainer) that has zero impact on anything , its doubtful that it will realistically be made for a combat class where a change would impact PVP.
That being said they have given the Master musician a way to get all the instruments/songs, just like they have given Master Pistoleers a way to get that scatter cert. The problem is that it takes away other opportunities. Choices have consequences, even in this game.
Notice, this post is not about scatter being only a BH pistol, its about the way the game is designed, translation, its a class inspecific post.
Sinloi
Thu Apr 08, 2004 11:53 am
#44
Grexor wrote:
Hmm.. let's apply some fun logic..
A Lightsabre is a sword made of light (energy).
A sabre is a type of sword.
A Master Swordsman is a master of all swords.
ERGO, a Master Swordsman should be able to use a lightsabre.
Also, since the Master swordsman has spent all his/her time mastering swords, he/she should be better with the Lightsabre because he/she has spent 18 boxes JUST working on swords whereas the jedi has not, after all the Master Jedi is a hybrid profession.
Yeah... right. Obviously this logic is skewed, but its the same logic being presented in this post.
Whether a Master Pistoleer should get all certs for all pistols is not the issue. The issue is the way the game is designed.
The game is designed to not give Masters access to everything. Whether your a Master Musician and are forced to get Master Entertainer so you can use the Madivol, or a Master Pistoleer forced to get Novice BH so you can use the scatter pistol, its the same thing. It's game design. Argue that master pistoleers should get all pistols all you want, believe me the musicians and dancers have been making that argument since release.
If the dev's wont make that change for a class (entertainer) that has zero impact on anything , its doubtful that it will realistically be made for a combat class where a change would impact PVP.
That being said they have given the Master musician a way to get all the instruments/songs, just like they have given Master Pistoleers a way to get that scatter cert. The problem is that it takes away other opportunities. Choices have consequences, even in this game.
Notice, this post is not about scatter being only a BH pistol, its about the way the game is designed, translation, its a class inspecific post.
hate to break it to you buuuuut
watch clone wars thursday night at 8pm new charecter named General Grievious hes a cyborg who dual wields lightsabers...and in once pic he was actually tri wielding.
he is not a jedi just a really good swordsman
Talkawa
Thu Apr 08, 2004 3:00 pm
#45
I think about 70% of the people that posted on this topic are in the 6th grade... as a matter of fact I think that Pistoleers should be able to use the Scatter...why not....hell ill let BHs AND the Pistoleers have it, that sounds like a solution...Why do I think Pistoleers should have Scatters?...because I joined this prof to have PISTOLS you joined your prof to be kool like jango or boba fett, you should have like arm mounted flame throwers...hell why am I sayin yall ive got a little of BH 
but Pistoleers need all the pistols, or like someone said in another post why not give the smugglers the vibro sword and VK at novice and let Teres Kasi only have it at master 
same thing here...just think about it from the Pistoleer point of veiw and not the "Your just whiny babys because you dont get what you JOINED the proffesion for..." veiw.
but Pistoleers need all the pistols, or like someone said in another post why not give the smugglers the vibro sword and VK at novice and let Teres Kasi only have it at master same thing here...just think about it from the Pistoleer point of veiw and not the "Your just whiny babys because you dont get what you JOINED the proffesion for..." veiw.Just me two sense, the devs I doubt will see this anyway, untill they fix the Pistoleer Prof, ill doubt alot of things they do.
SilentJay1284
Thu Apr 08, 2004 5:24 pm
#46
JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE A PILOT DOES NOT MEAN YOU CAN FLY AN F-16 JET. SAME THING APPLIES TO PISTOLEER.
Talkawa
Fri Apr 09, 2004 5:31 am
#49
"JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE A PILOT DOES NOT MEAN YOU CAN FLY AN F16 JET. SAME THING APPLIES TO PISTOLEER."
Yeah, well why should a Janitor be allowed to pilot an F-16....same thing applies to BH.
SilentJay1284
Fri Apr 09, 2004 6:48 am
#50
Talkawa wrote:
"JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE A PILOT DOES NOT MEAN YOU CAN FLY AN F16 JET. SAME THING APPLIES TO PISTOLEER."
Yeah, well why should a Janitor be allowed to pilot an F-16....same thing applies to BH.
No no no, the BH is special forces teams. Must learn to use the best of the best. Like Marines.
saladin123
Fri Apr 09, 2004 10:44 am
#51
BH takes almost twice the amount of sp to novice as pistoleer does to master. Go figure.
Talkawa
Fri Apr 09, 2004 1:34 pm
#52
Oh yes I forgot you want BH to be like Teres Kasi atm...impossibly strong and unbeatable im sorry for the misunderstanding.....
Fact is that ive said to give the Cert to both profs or if we take it from you...like someone else said...to give you like arm mounted stuff and gadget type weponry, but instead you take to saying that you want BH to be an unbeatable prof...making Pistoleer "Inferior" to BH in PISTOLS, thats just bull**edit**. Sure I think you should be good, but not better than a pistoleer in pistols, and you basicly get about to amount of Accuracy we do and much more speed that I dont like, but im not even complaining about that but im sure someone will say im whining about it and accuse me of some **edit** 
but fact is all I want is to be able to use the scatter at Pistoleer, im currently BH as well but im gonna stick with Pistoleer for alot longer and the scatter is a pretty good pistol. So say what you will but thats just how it should be.
but fact is all I want is to be able to use the scatter at Pistoleer, im currently BH as well but im gonna stick with Pistoleer for alot longer and the scatter is a pretty good pistol. So say what you will but thats just how it should be.