Pistoleer Archive
Thread: HOW TO FIX PISTOLEER!!! With reworked skill tree!!!
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Novock
Sat Aug 28, 2004 2:56 pm
#40
Oh your probably right on the nerfing there wild bill, the devs love to swing the nerf bat anyway. I argue for the speed on behalf of the "vanilla pistoleer." Personally I'm firing last ditch nearly at cap but not everyone is going to have 15 million to pour into AAs as i was lucky enough for. Of course to me the biggest piece of the puzzle is the "vanila specials." We have no real state shots as a pistoleer. I think if they fixed just a few of the specials and maybe gave us at master an AP2 pistol that would go a long way in or effectivness despite the speed.Oh yeah and they need to work on the dodge its still buggy. I'm actually crossing my fingers for the duel wield maybe that will actually get into game. That would be very interesting. I just wonder though can I have a Geo in one hand and a DE-10 in the other.... 
MazTaim
Sat Aug 28, 2004 3:35 pm
#41
Master Pistoleer
Defense vs Blind+40
Defense vs Dizzy+40
Defense vs Blind+40
Defense vs Dizzy+40
Defense vs Knockdown+50
Defense vs Posture Change+20
Defense vs Posture Change+20
Defense vs Stun+40
Dodge+105
Dodge+105
Melee Defense+45
Pistol Accuracy+95
Pistol Accuracy+95
Pistol Accuracy While Moving+30
Pistol Accuracy While Standing+15
Pistol Accuracy While Standing+15
Pistol Aiming+16
Pistol Speed+74
Pistol Speed+74
Ranged Defense+7
Ranged Mitigation+3
Ranged Mitigation+3
Master Pistoleer/w BH Pistol4
Defense vs Blind+40
Defense vs Dizzy+40
Defense vs Blind+40
Defense vs Dizzy+40
Defense vs Knockdown+50
Defense vs Posture Change+20
Defense vs Posture Change+20
Defense vs Stun+40
Dodge+105
Dodge+105
General Ranged Aiming+30
Melee Defense+47
Pistol Accuracy+155
Melee Defense+47
Pistol Accuracy+155
Pistol Accuracy While Moving+30
Pistol Accuracy While Standing+15
Pistol Accuracy While Standing+15
Pistol Aiming+16
Pistol Speed+129
Pistol Speed+129
Ranged Defense+22
Ranged Mitigation+3
Ranged Mitigation+3
Master Pistoleer/w BH Pistols 4 & Dirty fighting 4
Defense vs Blind+40
Defense vs Dizzy+40
Defense vs Blind+40
Defense vs Dizzy+40
Defense vs Knockdown+50
Defense vs Posture Change+20
Defense vs Posture Change+20
Defense vs Stun+40
Dodge+105
Dodge+105
General Ranged Aiming+30
Melee Defense+49
Melee Defense+49
Pistol Accuracy+155
Pistol Accuracy While Moving+30
Pistol Accuracy While Moving+30
Pistol Accuracy While Standing+15
Pistol Aiming+16
Pistol Aiming+16
Pistol Speed+129
Ranged Defense+22
Ranged Defense+22
Ranged Mitigation+3
If you want to get the most out of Pistoleer you almost have to use one the last two templates leaveing you with only 12sp left for the last one
Master Rifleman
Block+70
Cover+80
Cover+80
Defense vs Blind+10
Defense vs Dizzy+10
Defense vs Dizzy+10
Defense vs Posture Change+30
Defense vs Stun+10
Defense vs Stun+10
Melee Defense+40
Ranged Defense+72
Ranged Defense+72
Ranged Mitigation+3
Rifle Accuracy+160
Rifle Accuracy+160
Rifle Accuracy While Moving+10
Rifle Aiming+100
Rifle Aiming+100
Rifle Concealment Chance+100
Rifle Speed+90
Rifle Speed+90
Master Rifleman with Master Marksman
Block+70
Cover+80
Defense vs Blind+10
Cover+80
Defense vs Blind+10
Defense vs Dizzy+10
Defense vs Posture Change+30
Defense vs Posture Change+30
Defense vs Stun+10
General Ranged Aiming+30
General Ranged Aiming+30
Melee Defense+42
Ranged Defense+87
Ranged Defense+87
Ranged Mitigation+3
Rifle Accuracy+170
Rifle Accuracy+170
Rifle Accuracy While Moving+10
Rifle Aiming+100
Rifle Aiming+100
Rifle Concealment Chance+100
Rifle Speed+95
Rifle Speed+95
A Master Rifleman /w Master Marksman is will kick arse and still have 110 sp left. Something needs to be done for Pistoleer so that we can be equal to some of our other elites with I don't think nerfing BH or Commando is the way to go but some of ideas seem good to me as it stands right now I have a gun and I have to run and dabble in BHto stay alive in pvpvs some guy with a hammersome thing is wrong with that. Stopping shot should do just that stop you for a time maybe10 sec like warcry1 or move it to Master Pistoleer and make it 20sec.
DaLoco1
Sat Aug 28, 2004 4:50 pm
#42
Wild__Bill wrote:
DaLoco1 wrote:
DPS is not what makes rifleman effective.
LOL tell that to the rifleman I watched out damage 4 other grouped people of various professions on a GDK using strafe shot.
I was talking about PVP.
Yellow City Pimp
RebRifle
Sat Aug 28, 2004 8:55 pm
#43
Wild__Bill wrote:
RebRifle wrote:
Wild bill there is something your not understanding only reason rifleman has the advantage is because there is no effective mind heal. OUr speed eeds to be that high because we need it just to shoot it once a second with no specals. And also we have no other profession to stack with just do master pistoller with the bh pistols and smuggler pistols and see how fast ya shoot, also pick up master marksmen isn't that 100 speed? and even with jst te standered 90 speed we get at master we still shoot strafeshot2 at 4 seconds. So it kinda balances out. also you have much higher defences then us and also with that template you can hite mind just like us, delay our attacks, knockdown. ect ect.Message Edited by RebRifle on 08-26-2004 01:20 PM
Ah here comes the Rifleman retort.
No there is something you don't understand. I have mastered and played every combat profession in this game, including Rifleman. I know what is broke and it's rifleman. You have high damage weapons with high AP therefore they should be slow. A swordsman without any additional mods and a damaged sliced Powerhammer does not attack once per second with the default attack and also hits the mind. Why should rifleman be any different? As a pistoleer I have a better chance of beating a swordsman than Rifleman even with the Swordsman's mind attacks. It's simple High Damage Low Speed, Low Damage High Speed, but you Riflemen want it all. You want damage, speed, accuracy and the ability to hit the unhealable pool. The fact that a rifleman can cap his speed with any rifle with less than +15 in speed mod attachments is another clue that your speed mods are out of whack. A smuggler/pistoleer like myself needs +23 in speed mods to cap with any pistol.
Also you do know that a pistoleer's and fencer's dodge mods do not work against rifleman? Why? Because the rifles over the top range mods negate active defenses leaving the pistoleer with only his minimal ranged defense as protection.
As for stacking, sure you can stack. You can stack your defenses with melee or even pick up pistoleer or carbineer if you like. What your trying to say is that a Master Rifleman by himself should be equal to a Master Pistoleer/Desperato/Rogue. Last I checked the skill point usage for M. Rifleman < M. Pistoleer/Deperato/Rogue.
wild bill just so ya know i am against adding any more mods to rifleman like defences as the devs said we shold be high dmg **edit**ty defences and thats how i am trying to keep rifle. And just so ya know i have mastered almost every combat prof too except pikeman
RebRifle
Sat Aug 28, 2004 8:57 pm
#44
I just looked at the skill tre the guy set up in all honesty why the hell do ya need to have 165 speed doesn't it cap at 100?
SeraCohw
Sat Aug 28, 2004 9:20 pm
#45
well i tried to add this once but didnt work so sorry if i post twice
well the trees for the ablilites are fie dont mees wit em just make em work.
pistol template master pistoleer/bh 0040/smuggler 0040/ novice comando is the most versitile.
the get damage to health and mind pools. the can do heat energy kenetic stun blast damage a ranged
and melee kd a high high def highest speed moderate damage andthe largest aoe (if people know how to use muti target shot)
also the can burn people what more beside fixin g the few problems could u ask for from a weapon
well the trees for the ablilites are fie dont mees wit em just make em work.
pistol template master pistoleer/bh 0040/smuggler 0040/ novice comando is the most versitile.
the get damage to health and mind pools. the can do heat energy kenetic stun blast damage a ranged
and melee kd a high high def highest speed moderate damage andthe largest aoe (if people know how to use muti target shot)
also the can burn people what more beside fixin g the few problems could u ask for from a weapon
Novock
Sun Aug 29, 2004 12:03 am
#46
I would pick up rifleman but I'm a smuggler and doesn't look good with my smuggling gear,and you're the one who capped off with your arrogance about how pistols we're as powerful as rifleman and that garbage putting down pistoleers asking for fixes to their profession. I suggest you quit harassing the pistoleer forums and go back to the hole you crawled out of. Nice crafty way to get past the language filters but "swearing is a feeble mind's attempt at making a strong statement."
And healing isn't the point... a rifleman without medic will still beat a pistoleer because a pistoleer cannot hit for actual in game DPS like a rifleman.The fact that the health pool can be healed only compounds the problem.
TenshiHanaKinu
Sun Aug 29, 2004 2:51 am
#47
Siyja_Derahldr wrote:
i love the insane uber x14 damage multiplier on stoppingshot.
Let's see...
normal weapon : 230*14 = 3220]
uber weapon : 700*14 = 9800 8o] ROFL
Yea, i want to be able to oneshoot krayts
You're being sarcastic, right? It's x4.
Siyja_Derahldr
Sun Aug 29, 2004 7:06 am
#48
Check the original post 
"Stopping shot (give it a x14 damage modifier and "
Must be a mistake, but it's so fun
TenshiHanaKinu
Sun Aug 29, 2004 1:39 pm
#49
Siyja_Derahldr wrote:
Check the original post
"Stopping shot (give it a x14 damage modifier and "
Must be a mistake, but it's so fun
Yeah, I thought about that afterI posted, I should have figured you were making light of some insane suggestion.
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