Pistoleer Archive
Thread: Scatter Pistol Why can't WE use it?
FFS..
listen..
BH work harder then you do to get to bh..
The work harder then you do to master BH.
THE CANT BE A CRAFTER and MASTER BH.
Anyone bitching about BH getting perks for the HARD work that it is in compairson to HOW STUPIDLY EASY it is to get pistoler and MASTER pistoleer is insane. Do you in your reallife think that you deserve the same amount of money at your job as someone who has an MBA and 10 years in the field when you only have a GED?
If you argue that pistoleer should be equal to power as bounty hunter, you are bascially saying you are a free loader. Are you not a tad bit ashamed of that?
Work harder? PLEASE, give me a break, you dont' believe that yourself. I'm closer to becoming a master bounty hunter then I am in becoming a master pistoleer. The excessive GRINDING of THREE TIMES THE EXP is much HARDER WORK then you saying, yes, I'll spend 5 points on this still instead of 4. Common guys, scatter back to your board and let us work out issue's out without your constant interuptions and nonsense.
And if you want to play word games then fine, a revolver and a pistol is the same thing, it's a handgun, thank you very much. There are various types of handguns that a pro with a pistol can use. This range's from Revolver's (6 shooter's and the few 7's that are out there including the illusive 454 raging bull) to the newest handgun from FN called the Five Seven which uses the same round as the P90 (which is a heavy rifle so to speak, machinegun type) put the Five Seven is a handgun that uses the round of a rifle. Does this mean a person who is a pro with a rifle can shoot the Five Seven like a pro, NO. But it does mean that a pro with the pistol can have the benefits of a round made for rifle. (and if you say if you can shoot a gun and rifle and it's the same thing, I'll ask you come down to south florida with me and prove it on the range, I'll garantee you can't shoot both the same way. So stop trying to do comparisons to make us look stupid unless you have some facts. Untill then PLEASE GO BACK TO YOUR BOARDS AND DEAL WITH YOUR OWN BUGS AND LEAVE US ALONE UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING USEFULL TO HELP US WITH OUR BUGS.
What he meant was BH's get it because they have to spend a ton of hard to earn combat xp to get there.
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And I don't to raise the pistol tree? *snicker*
Try earning bounty hunter XP. Its one hell of alot harder than combat XP - or even heavy weapon XP with the lightning cannon bugged as it is. Incidentally, I've played a master pistoleer and I've also played a master BH. I can tell you right now, BH was one hell of alot more frustrating to work through. If you don't believe me, then go to dathomir, and try running 3/4 of the way around the planet. Then try running back to the outpost. Then rinse and repeat the process about 50 or 60 times. If your lucky, you'll have just simulated making investigation level 2. Hmm....actually no, you'd still have to factor in the travel times between planets - I stand corrected.
In terms of earning combat XP, usually its in reference to getting to novice bounty hunter. By comparison, getting novice pistoleer takes a whole lot less time. Both the DX2 certifications and scatter pistol certifications are obtained at novice.
Why don't you get to use the scatter pistol? Because the devs clearly designed the combat professions so that each gets access to a unique weapon useable only by members of that profession at novice level. Melee professions have it, ranged professions have it, and so do the hybrids. If you don't belong to the profession - then you don't get that particular toy. That's pretty much the reason. Wanna use a scatter pistol badly? Well you yourself have suggested that 40k combat XP isn't much of a trial to earn. I'd suggest earning it and picking up novice bounty hunter. You'll get the scatter pistol and solve your problem.
Incidentally, if you do want the scatter pistol to not give pistol XP or be a pistol then what would you recommend it being? There are 4 classes of ranged weapons in this game. If you switch it to carbine, or rifle, or heavy weapons, then there's probably a good chance we'll end up with the same complaint from a different profession wouldn't you agree?
So what kind of XP and type of weapon is it supposed to be then?
A few observations.
1. Let the BH keep its unique weapon. Just fix our DX2 (resource issue?) and give us another weapon at Master Pistoleer or at the top of the Marksman tree.
2, Pistoleer requires more sheer experience than BH but costs less overall points. However you dont see Pistoleer terminals scattered all over the galaxy. BH pays more for the privelege of having a unique place in the game.
3. Should pistoleers get an attack thatfocuses on the mind pool? I say no, we have a chance to hit the mind pool with several of our shots. There is no reason to increase this power for us. There may be a reason to limit it in other classes but that should not be the concern in our forum.
4. BH with the gunfighter attitude are good to have. I would rather a BH experiment with pistoleer to increase their powers than running around with a rancor.
5. According to a recent post PvP damage is being reduced by 75% on the test center. This will totally change the PvP game. If you have timeand want to support this game create a character on test, advance to pistoleer and see what the effect is. Were all advanced Beta testers right now anyway. Also this same change reduces the effectiveness of our knockdown ability. Hopefully more information wil be coming.
If you read the post above yours, no, the exp count isn't for novice BH, it's for the novice plus the 4 boxes of pistol which is what we are compairing. Reason the 4 boxes and not just novice is because novice only gets you the scatter pistol, but in order for a Master Pistoleer to be the best with his weapon, he has to train in the 4 boxes of Bounty Hunting for increased aim and speed? or else a Bounty Hunter can aim better and shoot better then a Master of that weapon? Please, explain to me how this is possible. No one has explained it to me yet, since the top of this page when I asked. Explain to me, how a Bounty Hunter can manage to use my weapon that I have MASTERED (pistol's) and manage to shoot more acurate then me and shot it faster then me, while he's (BH) not even concentrating on that weapon, he's consentrating on other styles of weapons?
50 or 60 times, please, do you know how BORING it is to kit the same mobs over and over THREE TIMES as much as you in order to gain exp to master my class. THREE TIMES, THREE, can't you count? THREE, THREE THREE, 3, 3, 3 TIMES. OMG, stop saying you guys have to spend more exp and have to gain more exp!
If you don;t like it so much simply become a Bounty hunter.
Oh wait it takes too long and you want the easy way out by being a pistoleer.
Sorry man, time is money, and I put a crap load of time into being a bounty hunter. you don't see me whining like a spoiled crybaby that you've got disarm, an oodle of different combat stances and a bunch of other cool Specials that bounty hunters world over have wet dreams over. No I take what is given to me and I shut up.
If I wanted Pistoleer skills and weapons, I'd have been a pistoleer. If I wanted slicing skills I'd have made a slicer. I'm not crying that a bounty hunter can't slice weapons or make droids.
oh, and that Scatter pistol screen shot is crap. My scatter pistol is 135-189 dmg, 2.0 spd and 14.35.14 HAM.
Oopps, sorry Owen, a bit rude of me, I ask you to answer my question and I forgot to answer yours.
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So what kind of XP and type of weapon is it supposed to be then? [/quote]
Ok, let's see, lets call your weapon a Scatter Blaster for simplicity and lets make those 4 boxes in your skill tree Blaster exp instead of Pistol. Then it's unique to your own class.
Maybe I have been going about this wrong with comparisons. Let me compare it to another online game, since EQ is so famous I'm sure most of you know it or are familiar with it. You have Pure class's, monk, warrior, druid, ect. then you have muts, the hybrids, Ranger's for instance. A Ranger is a jack of trades, he's part warrior, not being as great as the warrior, and part druid but not being as great as the druid, but he brings his own unique skill into the game, archery. Bounty Hunter's are a hybrid if you ask me, because your not a pure class like Pistoleer,Carboneer,Rifleman(Warrior for instance, can only do one thing, use his/her specific skill/weapon). Bounty Hunter is like a Ranger, he has a bit of each of the parent class, (in this case, rifle, carbine, pistol PLUS Traps, like snare traps, root traps, damage trap, traps to make mobs more vulnerable to melee and ranged attacks[known in EQ as AC debubs], like a ranger has spells from druids, and melee like a warrior). But, a Ranger is not better in these skills then his/her parent class, they are only better in what they bring into the game, archery (other's say tracking /shrug). You guys bring your own unique thing into the game, but you SHOULD NOT be better then your parent class in those skills, you should only be better in the unique thing you bring to the game. Otherwise, why choose that class, just choose to be your class and you'll be better in everything, just delete the other three class's?
Did I make better sence now? And now that I answered your question, could I get an answer to mine?
Devir wrote:
If you don;t like it so much simply become a Bounty hunter.
Oh wait it takes too long and you want the easy way out by being a pistoleer.
LOL, I've got the prereq's for BH sitting there waiting to be surrendered whenever I get strapped for points. I'd rather spend my combat xp advancing the pistoleer tree than grab a broken, near-disfunctional bounty hunter class. I have no problem with classes having unique weapons, but gimmie a break the pre-reqs for BH aren't some amazingly difficult grind or anything. I'm still not sure how anyone can play a combat character without mastering scout and 2 of the 4 marksman lines.
The arrogance of the average bounty hunter board poster (not all BHs, just the ones we're seeing here), seems to be right in line with the roleplay of their profession 
/sigh devir
have you not read the post's? I'm closer to being a BH right now then Master Pistoleer. I find getting all the exp I need in scouting a joke, the only thing I have trouble in is getting the training exp but that's because I don't go to town as much, I'm normally in the woods trying to get some sort of combat/pistol exp so I can advance in my pistol tree which seems hopeless, meanwhile I have flown thrue my scout and I even dabbled with rifle for fun so I could use eye shot when I find an animal with really low mind. I read somewhere that carbine damage's action with specials, so i'll be looking into that soon I think.
Once again, I can hit BH a hell of a lot faster then i can hit Master Pistoleer from what I have seen so far. And remember, we do have to spend THREE times the amount of exp you do total, which roughly means we have to play 3 times as hard. I'm not putting down BH, About the only thing I see in your skill tree that might take a while is that tracking skill, the box all the way to the left. but I don't think it's anything like the difficulty smuggler's have with slicing. I have heard alot of people complaining because their buying out all the guns and slicing them before people can purchase them unsliced, can you imagine their bank account? OUCH!