Pistoleer Archive
Thread: Pistoleer team let us down. SAY IT AIN'T SO!
Arajl
Fri Apr 01, 2005 8:39 pm
#40
JerethBane wrote:Fair enough.The crowd control role and debuffing honestly isn't my gripe here. Rather it is that when it came to those pistols which could be crafted, we got the short end of the stick. Scatters and Launchers, then add on the slap in the face of /eyeshot, on top of that the speed capping that BH get.I'm a Pistoleer/CM and intend to stay that way. If nothing else, I am in love with my DE-10 collection (getting ready to make #3, #2 yellow barrel)So, I was rather taken aback when we saw new pistols coming to the game and when none of them seemed to be for us.I will accept what you did on your end to make things right for us. I will also apologize for accusing you of shilling for the hybrid pistoleer rather than the straight up pistoleer. However at the end of the day fixing what is broken still feels like less than getting something new.
If they would have fixed what was broken with us loong ago, we wouldnt need much new.
JohnAdams
Sat Apr 02, 2005 12:33 am
#41
LordMaxx wrote:
Give it a shot before you cast it off. And if you do want to give it up. Go to carbineer Firehawk and I are friends and we secretly want to take down rifleman...whoops was that out loud?
Too funny.
Amazing to me that so many people are livid about something that's. what...2 days old? I remember at launch my first deaths came at the hands (beaks) of Rasps on Talus. I remember thinking how stupid it was getting killed by a dang bird. But as time passed, players got better at everything - both combat skills and crafted stuff like weapons and armor. I think it's natural that everything looks impossible now. Give people a chance to get used to it.
The only thing that bums me is that my WS character is going to lose a lot of his favorite guns. But in the long run, I think the changes will breathe a lot of new life into the game.
BWVictorious
Sat Apr 02, 2005 12:34 am
#42
jee... i dont get it...
Most of you are complaining about the change of role for the pistoleer... have you actually read it through and checked the skills?I LOVE IT!
BEFORE CU
Most Pistoleer skills crapped out, it was what? Health2 and stopping shot plus fanshot... thats it, isnt it?
After CU
Specials working (hopefuly) and doing crowd control.
Most you you read Crowd Control and went ballistic isnt it.... dumb brats.
Crowd control doest mean you have to group up and target large mobs. Crowd control means that the pistoleer cancontrol his enemies and thats what the new pistoleer is about.
Ever notice that the Officer of the Squad always has a pistol instead of a heavy weapon?
The Pistoleer has specials that delay the enemy and keep it at bay (stopping shot now actually stops enemies and disarm makes them fumble).
True we still dont deal devastating damage and I hate the fact that we apparently lost our HealthShots, but now It appears that a pistoleer might easylly take on ANY critter one on one.
Like I mentioned in some other post:
Want to take on a MEGA ANCIENT KRAYT? no problem (they dont have ranged do they?)
/target Krayt
While Krayt alive
/stopping shot at 35m distance (max range)
You can outrun the beast if you use that, no? Probably it will need some tweaking but there you go.
With the crowd control skills a Pistoleer becomes a near god for as long as he can use his specials. True this is what we call anti gaming cause all you will be doing will be preventing your opponent from doing his moves, but hey, its our way now.
In PvP pistoleer will be devastating, specially merged with other professions like BH or Smuggler.
also dont forget that apparently you can use a special with any weapon you are cert so stopping shot with a long range rifle anyone?
Welcome to the CU
Prepare to be PWN by the Pistoleer!
Hasun
Sat Apr 02, 2005 2:55 am
#43
SuperRobot wrote:
LordMaxx wrote:
I know there are 2 camps on the issue...some say All pistols should be certed to pistoleer and some dont mind the hybrids getting their own weapons...Im of the latter. That is fine if the hybrids get their own weapons AS LONG AS the pistoleers have comperable if not better weapons. The Ultimate pistols in the game should belong to the pistoleer alone. And we wont know how that is going until we get the crafters on board on TC What you get from the frogs is not indicative of how it will be crafted...
That was the main problem I was having. I truly don't care if the other profs get new pistols but pistoleers should be certified for the best hence our name PISTOLeer.
No, a pistoleer should be better at using these pistols, which you will be, hence the name Pistoleer.
LordMaxx
Sat Apr 02, 2005 5:40 pm
#44
Hasun wrote:
SuperRobot wrote:
LordMaxx wrote:
I know there are 2 camps on the issue...some say All pistols should be certed to pistoleer and some dont mind the hybrids getting their own weapons...Im of the latter. That is fine if the hybrids get their own weapons AS LONG AS the pistoleers have comperable if not better weapons. The Ultimate pistols in the game should belong to the pistoleer alone. And we wont know how that is going until we get the crafters on board on TC What you get from the frogs is not indicative of how it will be crafted...That was the main problem I was having. I truly don't care if the other profs get new pistols but pistoleers should be certified for the best hence our name PISTOLeer.No, a pistoleer should be better at using these pistols, which you will be, hence the name Pistoleer.
Which is not the way it is now...BHs have cornered the pistoleer market for far too long.
And I actually do think we should have the best pistols there are...and I hope we end up with that.
Bumpity
Sat Apr 02, 2005 7:54 pm
#45
so going back to the whole point of the post ... ever profession except pistoleers get a shiny new toy with the cu? and a lot of the shiny new toys are pistols which a pistoleer can NEVER use and be a master of his/her profession.
Smuggler_Caylin
Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:31 pm
#46
I think too many people here seem to think the number of new things indicates the quality of the CU for their profession. Pistoleers have a great variety of pistols to choose from with or without the CU. If your enjoyment of the game relies on something new and pretty to hold in your hand, then I ask that you examine what it is you are trying to get out of the combat upgrade.
For a new weapon doesn't make you any more viable than you were before. All the problems you have should be able to be fixed with what you already have available to your skill set.
For a new weapon doesn't make you any more viable than you were before. All the problems you have should be able to be fixed with what you already have available to your skill set.
One of the Four Horsemen of the Smuggler Apocalypse!
1manynames1
Sat Apr 02, 2005 11:27 pm
#47
The cu is still in testing and probley going to take alot of work to do. I gived it a few weeks to it comes out or a month or so.
Hasun
Sun Apr 03, 2005 4:54 am
#48
LordMaxx wrote:
Hasun wrote:
SuperRobot wrote:
LordMaxx wrote:
I know there are 2 camps on the issue...some say All pistols should be certed to pistoleer and some dont mind the hybrids getting their own weapons...Im of the latter. That is fine if the hybrids get their own weapons AS LONG AS the pistoleers have comperable if not better weapons. The Ultimate pistols in the game should belong to the pistoleer alone. And we wont know how that is going until we get the crafters on board on TC What you get from the frogs is not indicative of how it will be crafted...
That was the main problem I was having. I truly don't care if the other profs get new pistols but pistoleers should be certified for the best hence our name PISTOLeer.
No, a pistoleer should be better at using these pistols, which you will be, hence the name Pistoleer.
Which is not the way it is now...BHs have cornered the pistoleer market for far too long.
And I actually do think we should have the best pistols there are...and I hope we end up with that.
I see where your coming from but BH pistols on its own sucks now, its only when you mix it with master pistoleer that they become great. A squad leader weilding an intimidator pistol isn't going to be as good as a squadleader/master pistoleer holding an intimidator pistol, thats what i'm saying.
That intimidator pistol is a Master sqaud leaders special weapon, soI don't see why any pistoleer weapons under the master box should be better than it.
And before the flames startI am not and have never been squad leader.
If a pistoleer after the CU wants the Imtimidator pistor go squad leader as your second profession. Istill think it looks poor compared to our Dirty Harry DE-10
weaponmaster88
Sun Apr 03, 2005 6:01 am
#49
JerethBane wrote:
OKay, just came back form the lag fest in TC5 Bestine.
Now before I went on planet, I loked through the skill trees.
Noticed that some professions got certs for new pistols.
Guess how many new pistol certs we got.....
Yep, that's right. ZERO! Nothing new from existing pistols and NOTHING from all the new pistols that were announced.
The NDA is gone, the cat is out of the bag. Mr Corresspondant, you and your team have some serious explaining to do. You were there to represent Pistoleers as Pistoleers. Not BH/Smuggler/Commando hybrids.
If we got new certs please tell us what they were and if we got no new certs please explain why.
DE-10...Geo.... theres 2 new pistols already rifleman got a new rifle too... what did carbiens get? nothing.... and out of the 6 new carbines not 1 is in our skill tree either so its not your pistoleer representatives its the devs deciding they don't like us.
LordMaxx
Sun Apr 03, 2005 6:39 am
#50
My fear though, was that by putting tons of pistols in other trees and mods for pistols (or ranged) in those trees, then pistoleer becomes just a stepping stone instead of a profession on its own...pistoleers are so underpowered now, because the devs expect you to go on BH or Smuggler...now they will possibly underpowered because they expect you to go on to BH, Smuggler, Commando, or SL...pistoleer a mere stepping stone, instead of a profession in its own right. That is what I have been trying to prevent. But I guess it's inevitable.
Jaim_Darkstryder
Sun Apr 03, 2005 9:12 am
#51
LordMaxx wrote:
My fear though, was that by putting tons of pistols in other trees and mods for pistols (or ranged) in those trees, then pistoleer becomes just a stepping stone instead of a profession on its own...pistoleers are so underpowered now, because the devs expect you to go on BH or Smuggler...now they will possibly underpowered because they expect you to go on to BH, Smuggler, Commando, or SL...pistoleer a mere stepping stone, instead of a profession in its own right. That is what I have been trying to prevent. But I guess it's inevitable.
Yeah, putting Pistols as the main combat mode for more professions only dilutes the pool, so to speak. Squad leader should be a Carbine profession... or even better, leave CM and SL as is with the Ranged Support tree and let them CHOOSE what weapon they like.
I am really disappointed in this CU so far, I have no idea who the Devs are listening to for ideas, but apparently it is no one playing the game.
Crillan
Mon Apr 04, 2005 11:36 am
#52
JerethBane wrote:
Oy...I need to post a sticky thread on this. Guys..All of those OLD pistols that you NEVER used are basically new pistols. You may actually want to wait and see how those turn out. Yes we like flashy new artwork, and "twirly moves" is somehow in our want list. But wait until you actually see if those 6 or so pistols we NEVER used actually turn out worth something before saying we didnt get anything new like those other guys.
In other words, YOU CAVED.
Seriously, as it stands right now Lord Maxx, it looks like you went in there to represent the triple masters, the BH Pistoleers, the All Star Guys and forgot your job.
We can be mollified, but we will be needing some DETAILS. The NDA is gone, don't act like a dev.
That's a little out of hand. Have you tested the new pistols on CU yet? They seem to be working pretty well so far. They aren't the wussy guns we had before. They don't have new art but they basically are new guns since they'll actually be usefull now. You also gotta remember there are 3 new pistols that have no certs listed in any skill tree like the geo and DE-10. These very well may be pistoleer guns that gotta be looted like a DE-10 schematic. Go test out the new CU guns before lashing out at the correspondant like that. You can't even test out the pistoleer profession yet until they unlock elites on test so you have no idea how good the old guns are in the new system.