Pistoleer Archive
Thread: IS THIS THE BEST TEMPLATE?..id say so
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ShiOt
Tue Sep 14, 2004 2:38 am
#40
"wish you were on Corbantis Solax,,,,because i would own you. If you have some crazy Doted bh weapon thats another story. but just straight up pistols you would lose every time."
Im sorry but your wrong. Your damage output isn't any higher than mine..because I have defense stacking. Both our weapons will hit the speed cap... and your accuracy will be hindered by my defense.. while my accuracy will suffer little from your lack of defense (assuming I don't use citros which would make you a very easy target). The only thing your claiming is Last Ditch.. which I will agree is a powerful attack with a 7x multiplier.. but hardly comparable to Eye Shot (5x multiplier), which targets a non-healable HAM pool.. as well as causing Blind (which again brings down your Uber accuracy). I'm sure you do very well in Duels. But if you ran into me on the Battefeild... you wouldn't have a great chance of success with that template.
Please be mindful I'm still only commenting on a pure Pistol fight. If I used Fencer skills to begin the fight as I usually do... you would even be more at a disadvantage.. as you would begin the fight Intimidated, Dizzy, and KD'd.
As for the DE-10.. I agree its a nice Weapon that I once owned when I was Master Pistoleer. I've heard its good against Jedi.. but against the traditional player.. My 550+ max damage Geo Pistol is definaltey the weapon of choice. Not to mention my 280 strength 120 duration 76% potency -1 use Mind Fire Geo Pistol.
Im all for people who try new templates and stick to mastering entire proffessions. But if your really trying to claim your Pistol Template is the best one you can make.. well... your simply incorrect.
Sadly.. I wish you were correct. As I have grown tired of having to stack proffessions in order to be successful.
Solex <Currently playing CoH... becuase SWG doesn't even work>
djswift2k
Tue Sep 14, 2004 2:53 am
#41
Bryced wrote:
i believe i wrote that,,,and i stand by it. Your the ignorant one if you think otherwise. To your first big revelation,,,all you need is novice brawler with pistoleer? Are you out of your mind? My template willl take down any defensive stacking template if using a pistol in a duel. Thats just a fact. Im not bragging but ive done them all and i know,,,because i always lost to the template i have now. Pure pistoleers (and by this i mean only master pistoleer and they actually use pistols) are a joke,,,not personally but because they are trying to compete in SWG with a proffession that is completly broken. Just read some of the countless threads about all the broken specials and no working KD. Even if the specials were worked properly, Fan shot is crap,,,in both pvp and pve. The true pistoleers in my book are the ones that want to become good at using pistols and exceed in the art of using pistols. To do this,,you have to use pistol specials from smuggler/bh or both. If you disagree,,,then you just have no clue,,,so go kill those womprats with fan shot.....
but you better get buffed first.
Bryce
Corbantis
in your original reference, you referred to stacking templates. smuggler does not necessarily count as a stacked template, because it adds no pistol mods whatsoever, only specials, therefore i did not interpret this as being such, however, the benefits of smuggler pistol specials are not THAT great.
my main is currently a pistol/tka/smuggler/medic
one of my alts is a bh/pistoleer/medic/brawler
ive got 3 alts in addition to that, and 2 retired alts as well. ive been throughnearly everytemplate involving master pistoleer withpretty much the only major exception beingCM, because i dont like cm.
Ive been a master pistoleer on my main like more thantwice as long thanyouve been playing period. Ive played enough templates (including jedi) that i know what the hell im doing playing as and agaisnt all of them, and as the other professions as well. (by playing multiple alts in teh same tie period i can actualy spend time with differnt templates whilegetting acquainted with multiple professions.)
anyway i currently run *5* accounts, and have 2 retired alts as well.
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i gladly invite you to come hang out with me on valcyn some time so i can prove to you its perfectly salvagable if your willing to loot long enough or spend enough money =)
the smuggler specials are nice, but are absolutely not necessary, as they have pretty bad delays for those who arent speed capped. for the useful ones.
Im not sure where you get that there is no working KD.. PMD1 has always been the poster kd move, since the beginning of time, before it got nerfed, had its ham costs increased and a delay slapped on it. (i leveled pistoleer the first timeby pistol whipping non social baz nitches to death before they got nerfed along with pmd1*-2 seperate ocasions*)
way back in the day, pvp was judged by whoever had the first kd typically won. you missed the era of when disarming shot 2 was an area KD, you missed when stuff worked, when we could bleed for1500 damage etc. many of the old strategies apply, but just need updated equipment/strategies.
Im not going to lie and say pistoleer isnt broken, because its royally %$#@ed up right now, and i do my fair share of complaining. In fact, i got sick of posting the same responses ot the same questions 5 tiems a day and thats why i didnt post on the pistoleer boards for a few months.
what you probably dont know, is that typically healthshot2 is far more effective thant last ditch under MOST situations, because its a targeted pool attack,that you can stack bleeds, that you can stack dots with bleeds, that you can still do it and make it work, its just about 100000 x harder than using one of those other templates and targeting mind. the challenge greatly breaks up the monotony of spamming the same special over and over again, at least for me.
again, im not gonna deny the fact that only 3 specials really work well enough to bother using (pmd1/ fan shot/ healthshot2) but with the right gear (like my heavily modded armor), you can greatly account for the defecits. learning to read your opponents is a great help too. and my experience from spending time on dozens of templates and testing and experimenting has greatly helped this.
on a side note, im a little crazy as far as broken professions come by the way.. back before commando got fixed, i leveled half of it with a non cert weapon after diong mastering pistoleer originaly. (still master pistoleer though)
the only template ive ever lost consistantly too EVER, using ANY template, both involving pistol or not (alts), was pure stackers back before defences got nerfed, when it was actualy impossible for certain template to ever hit other templates due to defences being so much higher than accuracy.
I've played enough characters with enough different templates that i just understand it so well, that its like not a problem for me within my means.
but again ill restate it. its entirely reliant upon absurdly high quality attachments and godly looted weapon componentsto run such a template effectively, and is NOT doable by most players. it is however still doable.
i spent time on just about every combat profession (except CM) enough to learn how they play how otehr people play them learn their mathematical and theoretical capabilities. i can lecture and post numbers and analysis all day, as i have on frequent ocasion.
with enough crazy loot, you cna pretty much make anything work. considering u can get 4 sockets in each piece of armor, and mods cap at only 25, and +25 attachments were lootable out the ass off nightsisters for months, and +10's are still 100x more available, itsstill within the realm of possibility to grealtly cover a terribly $%^&tytemplatebecause armor has a ton of room for doing this.
the only real benefit bh pistols adds to pistoleer is capping speed, a flame dot special, and a huge accuracy bonus and the ability to hit mind.
all of the pistoleer problems are still there, just masked by mods form bh instead of armor atachments and food. in fact, the bh pistols line already surpasses the pistoleer when compared directly, the only reason to pick up pistoleer with bh is for accuracy, dodge, and state defences. if my stats end up the same as yours at less skill pointsbecause mines all moddedarmor, i have more points to place into other things, like medic.who do you think will win, assuming i know what im doing (which i do).
theres more to combat than just templates. any vet will tell you that.being able to read your opponent is probably the most powerful ability in pvp. templates make it easy.
the only elite combat professions that actualy work almsot totally properly, are tka and rifleman. theoreticaly, you should always lose to a tka/rifleman or a cm/rifleman with your template, but im sure you probably dont if you know what your doing. of course if you want to win based on template cm/rifleman has always been the way to go.
ive played on bria, ahazi intermittantly, and on valcyn as my home server since the beginning. ive pvped since my second day on valcyn.
I'm known for being obsessed with pistoleer, which is why 3 of my toons are pistoleers, one of which is a bh /pistoleer hybrid. I take pride in my guns, and i take pride in my rep, and im practicaly undefeated for like 5 months in duels. come on by valcyn some time, ill show you around.
ive been playing with buffs since the first doc hit master on my server. peopel used to say i was an exploited when it was just buffs cuz almost nobody really understood them way back then lol.pistoleer was once upon a time considered the strongest profession, because disarmingshto2 kicked total ass when it worked.
this game is all math. because u can add stuff to armor, you can work it out of the template in short. this really covers for most professions. it just depends how dedicated you are
i dont play as a pure pistoleer on my main, but i dont play him as a defence stacker or a bh either, but i do make it work, and imdamn good too. hypotheticaly, without using smuggler specials, it would only be a marginal difference though. they have nothign to do with my accuracy/defences/other mods.
excuse me if i repeat myself or ramble a lot, itsaround 5 am im bit drunk. (yay college)
stealth mcownzjoo of valcyn
leader of -ESS-
djswift2k
Tue Sep 14, 2004 3:12 am
#42
oh cuz some of you guys are wrong, im going topost some data up for you from a table i made in another post when replying to some guys questoin about capping speed on different specials.
last ditch 4.0 delay mod 6.0 damage mod smuggler
stopping shot 4.0 delay mod 5.0damage mod pistoleer
fanshot 2.4 delay mod 4.0 damage mod pistoleer
healthshot2 1.9 delay mod3.0 damage mod pistoleer
torso shot 2.0 delay mod3.0 damage mod BH
eye shot 2.0 delaymod 3.0 damagemod bh
your damage output with a template otehr then pure pistoleer is basicaly absolutely the same with the sole exception of last ditch.
hitting the same pool in pvp is much more effective then random pools with the sole exception pretty much being when your opponent is KD as far as most situations go.
BH mostly just adds ability to target mind, and increased speed adn accuracydamage output is not affected.
master pistoleer can speed cap healthshot2 with a 2.0 speed gun which is one of the "working/useful specials.
still need SEA's for the otehr ones, but assuming both are speed capped, damage output is not affected whatsoever. your wrong bryced.
the short answer is that mathematicaly pistoleer loses to everybody else when not only used as 0040 pistoleer for stacked defences unless you have the absolute best of everythng and know exactly what you are doing.
keep trolling bryced
stealth
sorry about the double post, i just felt the replys werent directly related and madew sense split up with the stats and all. im still kinda drunk so thers probably a ton of typoes too. im not gonna bother spellchecking.
edit: im going leave you guys with two very good links (in clicky form too)
Message Edited by djswift2k on 09-14-2004 06:37 AM
djswift2k
Tue Sep 14, 2004 9:26 pm
#43
glad i was able to help out there 
if you ever got some questions adn want me to break things down mathematicaly for ya, just send me a pm and id be glad to help.
stealth from valcyn
RuytooBasgar
Wed Sep 15, 2004 11:51 am
#44
I have the same template as the poster and I for one like it. I have seen a few people post to drop novice commando because it is worthless. This is completely wrong. Just because a skill box doesn't give you defensive mods doesn't make it worthless. The Launcher Pistol is more than enough to warrant picking up this box. Anything that is vulnerable to blast is decimated without any problems (minus turrents because they do alot of damage, you need a tank for these). AT-ST are a joke with this template. You can easily solo one in no time at all. There arn't many blast type weapons in the game (outside of commando just the powerhammer) so that gives you the advantage of another damage type that most people don't have. Plus there is a rumor going around that Jedi are having trouble blocking the Launcher Pistol (haven't tested it myself yet). Those are reasons enough for me to keep the box.
Bryced
Thu Sep 16, 2004 1:22 am
#45
yep,,,ive tested it, launcher pistol is a jedi killer right now. not sure if it will last, but we can hope. I know the value of the launcher pistol. Besides the things you mentioned,,,nightsisters are not blast resist, so for me, thats enuff of a reason to keep it. Ty for input though.
Bryce
djswift2k
Thu Sep 16, 2004 1:33 am
#46
ignore this reply.
sorry about that was typing a reply to a thread in anotehr window adn typed it in this one by mistake
stealth
Message Edited by djswift2k on 09-16-2004 04:37 AM
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