Pistoleer Archive

OrizCore - Its refreshing to actually see someone make an apology on these forums. Usually they either start insulting people or just don't post again. Kudos my man, you have integrity! And if you are doing that musch damage..I think I'll be real nice to you if we should ever meet.

P.S. Always better to be ingnorant than stupid!

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OrizCore wrote:

I formally apologize to everyone that i may have insulted or anything, i was definitly wrong, speed cap is 1 second. But i have been hitting 6k Pve lately and that isnt a Lie.

Someone said before that stopping shot has a x5 modifier tho, i swear that cant be correct, my lesser scatter that i used for ever was 244 max damage, and that times 5 would be liek 1300 or so, and i know that ive hit into the 2k range on a regular standing opponent.

Last Ditch On a regular standing opponent with the same gun, hits for 2.5k, once, it hit for 2.7k. These all on unarmored no resitances targets like butterflies and otherthings found outside of town

But again i apologize for ranting on about the speed cap was .5. I am ignorant for saying this and Am sorry.

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Biggest balls I've seen in here in a while. /respect for admiting your mistake.

I dont know if you guys are still arguing about this but i agree with the bh speed cap is .5 and if your pistol is .6 or above it will shoot every second all that garbage with 1.2 speed 1.3 speed it will shoot every 1.5 secs and if its between .6 and 1.0 it will shoot at .6 (sorry for not puncuating im lazy)

Oh here we go...You picked the easiest weapon in the game and now you demand that it should be even better ?As for the speed-argument : Yes, a MASTER rifleman shoots his weapon as fast as you do on NOVICE pistoleer. And becoming a master at rifle is probably 4 times the work of becoming a master pistoleer. I've done both for your information.

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Morricone wrote:
Oh here we go...You picked the easiest weapon in the game and now you demand that it should be even better ?As for the speed-argument : Yes, a MASTER rifleman shoots his weapon as fast as you do on NOVICE pistoleer. And becoming a master at rifle is probably 4 times the work of becoming a master pistoleer. I've done both for your information.

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Now that is BS if I ever read it. If I'm not mistaken, you need the same exp as I do to master, you do NOT need 4 times the exp. And last time I went out hunting with a Rifleman, he got the bulk of the exp from the kills because of his 2k-4k shots while I'm shooting my PoS pistol (compaired to a rifle) for 500-1k damage. So don't come here saying how hard you have it and go back to your boards and do what you do best...trying to get pistoleer's nerfed! Admit it, that's all you guys do, cry and complain about us to get us nerfed, just leave us the F*** alone already! I'm tired of this crap

And for the record, you DON'T shot AS fast as us, you shoot FASTER then us. You shoot your BEST special once every second. We shoot our best special (Stopping shot) once every TWO seconds. Your twice as fast as us here. About the only way for us to compete is by taking a HARDER route then yours, which is mastering BH in order to get the speed bonus, then we'll be able to shoot once every second and even at that, we still can't hit for the kind of damage you do. So STOP crying already!

You are so dumb I dont even know where to start. A rifleman might slam these 2-4k shots for a short time yes, before his blue bar ( Its called mind ) goes blank. Got that ?

And if you have a PoS pistol buy a new one. Plenty of excellent ones out there, and your weaponclass benefit from krayt-tissue like noone else. And 500-1k damage per shot ? Try getting above Pistols 3 in the marksman tree then. Because that is the damage I see my friend shot for at level 3 ( On his way to smuggler ) The same person is now at Yavin ( bought buffs ) and he is now soloing Giant Crystal Snakes for 4k xp a piece. All this at level 3 in pistol. At marksman level. Go figure ?

As for the xp-argument - "If I'm not mistaken, you need the same exp as I do to master, you do NOT need 4 times the exp" Rifle xp is far harder to get. Period. If you argue against this you obviously havent ever fired a rifle, and dont ever try it Bolanos. You wouldnt make it past marksman-level.

"we still can't hit for the kind of damage you do"

No ? You are firing a small pistol that doesnt give you 2.5x melee damage and eats your mind. Go figure ?

So STOP crying already. The easy paths doesnt gain the highest results. Easy as that.

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Morricone wrote:

You are so dumb I dont even know where to start. A rifleman might slam these 2-4k shots for a short time yes, before his blue bar ( Its called mind ) goes blank. Got that ?

And if you have a PoS pistol buy a new one. Plenty of excellent ones out there, and your weaponclass benefit from krayt-tissue like noone else. And 500-1k damage per shot ? Try getting above Pistols 3 in the marksman tree then. Because that is the damage I see my friend shot for at level 3 ( On his way to smuggler ) The same person is now at Yavin ( bought buffs ) and he is now soloing Giant Crystal Snakes for 4k xp a piece. All this at level 3 in pistol. At marksman level. Go figure ?

As for the xp-argument - "If I'm not mistaken, you need the same exp as I do to master, you do NOT need 4 times the exp" Rifle xp is far harder to get. Period. If you argue against this you obviously havent ever fired a rifle, and dont ever try it Bolanos. You wouldnt make it past marksman-level.

"we still can't hit for the kind of damage you do"

No ? You are firing a small pistol that doesnt give you 2.5x melee damage and eats your mind. Go figure ?

So STOP crying already. The easy paths doesnt gain the highest results. Easy as that.

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No, your the dumb one here. I never called you a name so don't start.

All he needs to do is slam a couple of those 2k-4k shots before the mod is dead anyways!

As I said (compaired to his rifle) My pistol is a PoS. Compaired to another pistol it's actually very good, DX2 with 240 max and a republic with 308 max and an FWG5 with 328 maxed (all with powerups) I think is good on my server. And no one in their right minds will put krayt tissues on a DX2 unless someone ordered it that way and paid in advance on my server, I know, I have searched. and before you say anything about me needing to go up to level 3 on the tree, I'm 1/4/3/2. I might not be master, but I think I have a good footing there, don't you?

If rifle exp is harder to get then why do they seem to level up faster then me???...hmmm, lets see here, a fambaa gives 3400 exp. I was getting from 900 to 1200 exp per kill with the rifleman, which means he was getting the 2500 to 2200 exp. When I do it with a friend who is a pistoleer, I normally get about 1500 to 1900, sometimes I break 2k exp. So what is that telling me? that you guys getting exp isn't as hard as you claim my friend.

And don't talk to me about 2.5x melee crap because the rifleman i was grouped with was laughing at me when i was at 30m and missed bleed shot 4 times in a row, then later on I missed 3 times in a row on another pull at the same distance. Our accuracy sucks unlike you guys with godly 100+ accuracy now. so give me a break and go back to your board and just leave us alone already!

My PA mate recently finished off his Rifleman grind up to Master and we were having this same discussion last night. He agreed with my discussion of the following:

• Rifle speed is borked. There is no justification to hit at that speed accurately


• Conceal Shot is too powerful for the level. We both agreed that it should be pushed up the tree a bit.

In turn he made a great point that I must acknowledge: We're hitting with our pistols at too far a range too accurately.

Now I know in real life a pistol can hit pretty accurate at 100m with a Pistol shooter holding it. In that vein, a high powered rifle can hit from distances well beyond that. The logistics of this in SWG is unobtainable so the distances should be scaled.

To wit: I see the point Riflemen are making that their ideal range is 64m and they can be hit by a pistoleer way too many times than should be humanly possible.

Ideally if I was talking balance for a rifle and pistol (amoung otherprofessions)I would:

1. Cap rifles at 3 seconds, and add penalties to shots not properly aimed. ie: You may shoot at 3 seconds but don't expect to be accurate.


2. Move valuable profession skills (in all Combat Professions) to high levels. This allows dabblers to get the benefits of the lower levels of profession mods but not some of the more powerful special attacks. This would be a nod to the Masters


3. Extend Rifle Ideal Range 80m would probably be smart. They should be able to get off 1-3 shots before a pistol gets into range


4. Similarily move Pistol Max range in. 48m sounds like a promising distance that will give Rifles a buffer they need to be competitive.


5. Higher penalty to pistol accuracy at maximum range. A nerf but something for balance.

Keep in mind this was just two guys shooting the breeze discussing their professions, feel free to disagree.

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Morricone wrote:
Oh here we go...You picked the easiest weapon in the game and now you demand that it should be even better ?As for the speed-argument : Yes, a MASTER rifleman shoots his weapon as fast as you do on NOVICE pistoleer. And becoming a master at rifle is probably 4 times the work of becoming a master pistoleer. I've done both for your information.

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Actually a Master Rifleman shoots his weapon faster than a Master Pistoleer shoots his.

Even fight, (ie. no buffs) pistoleer will usually destroy a rifleman at close range.. And that's how it should be.

I heard somebody on this thread comparing Carbine, even saying it was better than Pistol? That's a joke, even with spices/foods Carbine will incap you before they reach you.

A pure pistol would not stand a chance in a duel with master rifleman as it is now (**edit** **edit**ed up speed equation). Riflman shots hit alot harder and hit the speed cap with their +90 speed mod. And with their accuracy boost...they dont miss at close range either.

guess that you guys forgot to mention that when both professions are at novice, a T-21 speed is appx 6(with speed slice), and a pistol can be down to 1.0(with speed slice). your firing 6 times for every time a rifleman fires, and you can spam specials all you want, unlike riflemen(we use mind). we also have this funny little thing called 2.5x melee damage, and considering most of the mobs in this game do melee damage...

pistoleers are quite easier to level up on in the beginning, by far. but when you compare both at master, riflemen still fire at 2.0, and pistoleers can easily fire at 1.0. we dont have hte option of getting rifles sliced to 1.0. you do. i still have 3 pistols from my days of using a pistol that are all 1.0 and 1.1 speed. with all the rifleman mods you only fire every 2 seconds, so how do riflemen fire faster?

the only way riflemen can fire faster is by collecting rare +rifle skill mods that add up to +10, or by mastering marksman(+5, - bunch of skill points), and another +5 skill tape. seriously guys, learn the facts of the professions before you go trying to show false info.

and yes, i do have tapes that add up to +10 rifle speed, and so far, no other master that i have talked to has rifle speed tapes to use.