Pistoleer Archive

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Evo-rarxb wrote:

Has any one seen a master pistoleer vs BH pistol 4 or 3

the BH has no defence to pistol melee and if the pitoleer is a smuggler they may as well quite then cause stun will take have the fight and mind shoot aint that good in this new world of 55 base composite armor.but BH's can use there trust tangle i have one with 130 dam ya hoo

im a Bh pistol 4 and 0334 pistoleer and b4 i got my pistol skills in pistoleer i was meat for kd and stoping shot.

Tehk X'or

Radiant

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You're talking about a fight between a BH and a Smuggler ... what does this have to do with Pistoleer? Both of them can dabble in Pistoleer on the side.

Im going to get BH soon anyway

Ill be BH - CH - Commando - Pistoleer - Smuggler

A nice l337 Combo for PvE

[quote]From that statement, I'll assume you aren't even a BH, because you refer to BH's as "they". If I'm wrong, I'm sorry. But if it's not a class you play, you probably shouldn't be trying to fix it...that includes just taking one line in it, as that's a very limited knowledge of an entire class. Guys, the only BH's whining about pistoleers are just morons. The BH's whining about getting their butts handed to them by whatever profession will whine about everything if they don't always win. Ignore them....

Honestly, Pistoleers should be more concerned about fixing their own profession, rather then trying to balance someone else's. I know your correspondent in game, and we have fought side by side many times. You should focus your posts to help Philosopher1976 get whatever information is necessary to balance your profession, you'd gain much more out of that than you ever will by trying to win a mud slinging contest with some of the kiddies in the BH forums.

Not all BH's are complete morons...but posts like these are mainly just going to bring out the trolls. And that does nothing for either class, except to waste everyone's time.[/quote]

True there is a difference between reading the BH forums and being a BH, but it also doesn't take having kids to know that they scream, yell, cry and wake you up at night. Limited knowledge, maybe, but enough to have a general view of the situation, maybe then again maybe not.

What I do know is, if youhabitualy beat up someone for waking you up, you better not have kids or you'll end up going to jail.

the I spent 217 points for it and you spent 92 arguement is both old and pointless. You DID spent those points for SOMETHING. If you think those points were spent for useless stuff, then there's only 2 things that shouldbe done.

Removal of it as a prereq or it being made useful

if it is removed, you then have those points, otherwise it is more useful ie Traps work on marks.

as for being a pistoleer, I've gotten 3/4 novice pistoleer then I found out that there's a virgin server, which brings in another point. BH and survival: on a virgin server this requirement may be necessary, but on an established server, or by the time anyone reaches Novice BH, there may certainly be a lot of camps in the bazaar and since anyone can buy and use makes the survival tree a useless grind and sink.

Is that enough understanding or am I completely off base still because I'd prefer to be a Pistoleer over BH? Because I don't feel in it's CURRENT state being a Master BH has little or no appeal to me? Are my ideas and thoughts to remain only within the Pistoleer forums?

I thought that the Investigation Skill tree looked as if it would have RP galore like UW for smuggler, I found out my initial impressions were wrong. Investigation is borked and UW has some PvP benifits for a Profession when RP'd right should be better off neutral. I may not yet be a smuggler, likewise pistoleer, but it doesn't mean I don't know anything about them nor does it mean I won't have any thoughts on the matter.

you ever see just how much ham a bh's specials take away??? ok, with a pistol, i averaged around 300-500 on an unarmored anything... a pistoleer hits me with one shot, removes 800 health... why do pistoleers get owned in pvp combat against bounty hunters in a pistol to pistol only duel??? my guess would be that bh is either a pistoleer posing as a bounty hunter *come on now, expert bounty hunter is a cooler name than expert gunfighter* or the pistoleer is just completely stupid...

yes, i'm one of you guys now, i'm a pistoleer, but good god, stop your whining...

No soldiers learn to use many different weapons. Your pops or whatever was a rifleman in the army. When people call BH a soldier they are referring to Navy Seals and other special ops types. Now you might be real good with your little target pistol, but put a beretta nine millimeter in your hands and a navy seals, and guess what, the navy seal is gonna teach you a few things. Pistoleer is not your profession, it is a useful set of skills surrounding the use of hand guns to make you effective in dealing with the threats that come along while performing your profession. The intention behind the single weapon classes was to provide players who wanted to take non-combat professions the ability to also have decent skills at self defense. When your defense mods start working, this will shine through. Pistoleer is about self defense, not being an amazing death dealing machine. If you want to be a professional killer take BH or commando. If you want good skills with a firearm that will allow you to survive in a dangerous universe take pistoleer.

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Auspeks wrote:

can we stop lumping BH all together, please?

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This would be a good idea, since most of the BH making the 217 skillpoint argument have only gotten 1 or 2 trees of BH--they're nowhere close to 217. Only an MBH can make this argument, and even so, I see valid reasons why, with a pistol, a BH of similar experience to a given Pistoleer should have no more than an equal chance.

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TedtheHutt wrote:
No soldiers learn to use many different weapons. Your pops or whatever was a rifleman in the army. When people call BH a soldier they are referring to Navy Seals and other special ops types. Now you might be real good with your little target pistol, but put a beretta nine millimeter in your hands and a navy seals, and guess what, the navy seal is gonna teach you a few things. Pistoleer is not your profession, it is a useful set of skills surrounding the use of hand guns to make you effective in dealing with the threats that come along while performing your profession. The intention behind the single weapon classes was to provide players who wanted to take non-combat professions the ability to also have decent skills at self defense. When your defense mods start working, this will shine through. Pistoleer is about self defense, not being an amazing death dealing machine. If you want to be a professional killer take BH or commando. If you want good skills with a firearm that will allow you to survive in a dangerous universe take pistoleer.

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I was a solider in the US ARMY. I was a 19 Kilo armor crewman/19 delta cavalry scout. Armor crewman qualify with the 9mm beretta pistol. I qualified expert. A seal or ranger or what have you has to undergo the exact SAME qualifications test as i did. SO if i am an expert with pistol and they are an expert with pistol we areequally as good, same training, same test. Shows how much you know son.

As a Armor crewman the only weapons i qualified with were pistol, grenades, tank weapons. As a Cavalry scout i qualified with rifles as well. But these are two different MOSs. Not every soldier learns multiple weapons, they tend to learn grenades and a ranged firearm of some sort and the qualifying for either and the training is the same regardless of your MOS. What makes a SEAL special or a RANGER special is their other training such as hand to hand combat training and training in special explosives and stealth techniques. I'd gladly have a pistol marksmansjip competition with any SEAL or RANGER as i am just as good as they are. However i wouldn't want to take them on in a jungle or in their area of expertise( guerilla warfare).

The intention of the elite combat professions in SWG was not for defense for an artisan. Get that crap out of your small retarded head. No dev at SOE or Lucas has ever said that nor does it say so in the manual or any star wars literature. It's BH propoganda from the BH forums and you are merely spouting off what you were brainwashed with. Some soldier you are friend, easily beaten with psychological warfare you are.

However i agree 92 skill points is not enough, i took Master pistoleer/Dirty Fighting IV/Novice Commando for the launcher pistol ( 306 dmg 1.4 speed) I beat most BHs most of the time, but i spent a hell of alot more points to accomplish that feat. I am only disappointed in the fact that rifleman and carbineers and the melees don't have as many options to augment themselves. Show me the uber melee hybrid profession please, cause the elite melee professions have no place to go for additonal modifications or specials to help them be better at melee. Personally i think the vast majority if kiddies playing BHs are greedy and selfish and think that just because they are BHs they should get the I win button to beat every other profession every single time. Well guess what SOe doesn't feel that way nor does Lucas arts. They will try to follow the continuity of star wars and in that continuity a pistoleer is a badass with a pistol. In fact the most notorious gunfighter in star wars was a man named Gallandro. HE was a master guinfighter/expert BH. How do i know this? He was the most feared gunfighter in the galaxy, no bounty hunter would take a contract on him. He also worked as a bounty hunter for a short time and killed the guild leader of the assasin's guild. SO he was not just a PISTOLEER but a expert bounty hunter as well. However he was beaten in a duel later by Han solo, a PISTOLEER/SMUGGLER/SCOUT/PILOT( used scout skills on hoth to save luke). Han beat him on the draw and knocked him down. Later Gallandro wanted a rematch this time winning the draw and shooting han in the arm. So it appears the two best gunfighters in the galaxy were not just pistoleers but a SMUGGLER/PISTOLEER and a BOUNTY HUNTER/PISTOLEER.

Boba had no skill with a pistol to speak of, he detested them, his father was killed using them and Boba saw this as weak. Boba used a sawed of blaster rifle exclusively along with his array of support weapons like his rocket launcher, thermal detonators/ wrist flamethrower/ grappling cable. Jango was a BH pistoleer who used some darts ala scout skills at times and he teamed up with an female assasin regularly. Jango was no solo one on one badass god of combat and neither was Boba, Boba had help from trackers and mercenaries and other bounty hunters in about every story i ever read about him. The movies aren't the whole story folks, read the novels.

Anyway, pistoleer is a nice start but not an end to being able to handle a bounty hunter. Bounty hunters are deadly this is true but not unbeatable. You won't beat a Bh using artisan or dancer skills but you might beat him if you use combat skills. And no BH or Commando aren't the only ways to go about doing this.

Point is Devs made it that way.. and even they say spending more skill points into one profession should yield a better advantage. But dont talk about having to master scout and spend the skill points. Scout has nothing to do with it.. If they left pistoleer as it stands and changed the under-profession requirements to have to master scout and marksman, then pistoleer would still not win against BH..

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Ivellos wrote:

well, I know 1 BH that said that when SOE fixes Investigation and makes master worth it, he'll go back to BH and begin ditching Pistoleer

my real complaint with the BH pistol line is they get a +60 to accuracy and speed,4 total boxes, where a Pistoleer gets +30 accuracy and speed in 8 or 12 Boxes.

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Um, what are the accuracy modifiers BH's recieve for accuracy while standing and accuracy while moving? What are the BH defensive mods? I suppose success in SWG combat relies completely on speed and accuracy, or are there any other factors?

I was master gunfighter, now I'm almost master bounty hunter.

Maybe you should play a couple profs before posting 'real complaints' which are actually imaginary.

-- Ypi

You gotta be freaking kidding. What the hell do you think people were doing while acquiring Scouting and Trapping XP? Blowing their noses? No, moron, we were shooting and running and getting incapped. You have to fight to get the **edit** Scouting skills! We spend twice as much time using weapons in the marksman profession (have to finish carbines and rifles), while you must spend time working on one weapon, PLUS the many hours of hunting we must do to acquire Master Scout. This equals more TIME. As for weapon experience, BH's use weapons on, let's see, 7 different trees before becoming a Novice BH. Pistol Spec, Carbine Spec, Rifle Spec, Ranged Support, Exploration, Hunting, and Trapping. Now a Pistoleer used weapons on one (sometimes two) tree(s): Pistol Spec and SOMETIMES Ranged Support. Now tell me again that I didn't spend those 160 skill points to get BH on weapons? And you spent, what, 20 SP? This is a load of crap.


I HAD TO KILL IN ORDER TO BECOME A MASTER SCOUT! GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK, IMPROPER SPELLING, IMPROPER GRAMMAR, 12 YEAR OLD SKULL!

rofl not to mention skilling carbine with no specials besides actionshot and powershot2. Iwent threw a carbine every 2 hours. LLC ya high damge but no DoT and slow as crap.

OMFG CREATE A BH YOU NOOBS! Im getting tired of you already.

La La La, connect the Dots. La Lala La. Okay, isn't it your bedtime already? Seriously here? Veteran's day was Tuesday.

By the way, if you feel so strongly about crappy Survival xp requirements and needing to get all that combat xp in the marksmen lines but getting little in return for advanced profession skill points spent why don't you go lobby to get Squad Leaders fixed? They have to go through all that crap too but get the worst return on skill points in the game. Oh, you mean you really don't know anything about other professions? What a surprise.