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Thread: Multi Target Pistol shot: anyone else notice something different?

origitat
Sat May 01, 2004 12:06 am
#27

I would be more than happy to do some testing on it as well but unfortunately I am not quite master pistoleer yet.



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MCPrimetime
Sat May 01, 2004 12:40 am
#28

I have been a pistoleer since August and I have not used this shot once. Maybe i should try.



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Kevie
Sun May 02, 2004 11:52 pm
#29

wow! it does work!! anyways here's the log:


[Combat] You shoot at Issaro Ocofom (a plasma thief leader) and hit for 56 points of damage.
[Spatial] "Here's hopin' yer will is ready." Issaro Ocofom (a plasma thief leader) says.
[Combat] Issaro Ocofom (a plasma thief leader) shoots at you, but you dodge out of the way.
[Combat] You shoot at Issaro Ocofom (a plasma thief leader) but miss.
[Combat] Issaro Ocofom (a plasma thief leader) shoots at you, but you dodge out of the way.
[Combat] Greteosei Nidets (a plasma thief) swings at you and misses.
[Combat] Eha Starrunner (a plasma thief) swings at you, but you dodge out of the way.
[Combat] Issaro Ocofom (a plasma thief leader) shoots at you and misses.
[Combat] You use Multi-Shot on Issaro Ocofom (a plasma thief leader) for 213 points of damage!
[Spatial] You have lost 30 points of Plasma Thief faction standing!
[Combat] You have lost 30 points of Plasma Thief faction standing!
[Spatial] You have been awarded 15 points of Gungan faction standing.
[Combat] You have been awarded 15 points of Gungan faction standing.
[Spatial] Koasodat Isref (a plasma thief) says, "Flee, or yer gonna die...!"
[Spatial] You receive 65 points of Pistol Weapons experience.
[Combat] You receive 65 points of Pistol Weapons experience.
[Spatial] You receive 6 points of Combat experience.
[Combat] You receive 6 points of Combat experience.
[Combat] You use Multi-Shot on Eha Starrunner (a plasma thief) for 167 points of damage!
[Spatial] You now qualify for the skill: First Aid I: Simple Bandaging
[Combat] You now qualify for the skill: First Aid I: Simple Bandaging
[Spatial] You now qualify for the skill: Exploration IV: Alien Environment Training
[Combat] You now qualify for the skill: Exploration IV: Alien Environment Training
[Combat] Issaro Ocofom (a plasma thief leader) shoots at you and misses.
[Combat] You shoot at Issaro Ocofom (a plasma thief leader) and hit for 35 points of damage.
[Combat] Greteosei Nidets (a plasma thief) swings at you and misses.
[Combat] Issaro Ocofom (a plasma thief leader) shoots at you and misses.
[Combat] You use Multi-Shot on Issaro Ocofom (a plasma thief leader) for 292 points of damage!
[Combat] Issaro Ocofom (a plasma thief leader) kneels.
[Combat] Issaro Ocofom (a plasma thief leader) shoots at you and misses.
[Combat] Greteosei Nidets (a plasma thief) swings at you, but you dodge out of the way.
[Spatial] You have lost 30 points of Plasma Thief faction standing!
[Combat] You have lost 30 points of Plasma Thief faction standing!
[Spatial] You have been awarded 15 points of Gungan faction standing.
[Combat] You have been awarded 15 points of Gungan faction standing.
[Combat] You use Multi-Shot on Greteosei Nidets (a plasma thief) for 236 points of damage!
[Spatial] You receive 65 points of Pistol Weapons experience.
[Combat] You receive 65 points of Pistol Weapons experience.
[Spatial] You receive 6 points of Combat experience.
[Combat] You receive 6 points of Combat experience.
[Combat] You shoot at Issaro Ocofom (a plasma thief leader) and hit for 43 points of damage.
[Combat] Issaro Ocofom (a plasma thief leader) shoots at you, but you dodge out of the way.
[Combat] Koasodat Isref (a plasma thief) swings at you and misses.
[Combat] Fa'vau Ostan (a plasma thief) swings at you and hits for 24 points of damage.
[Combat] Your Oaceen's Chitin Armor Leggings armor prevented 20 points of damage.
[Combat] Issaro Ocofom (a plasma thief leader) shoots at you and misses.
[Combat] You use Multi-Shot on Issaro Ocofom (a plasma thief leader) for 274 points of damage!
[Combat] Issaro Ocofom (a plasma thief leader) shoots at you and misses.
[Spatial] You have lost 30 points of Plasma Thief faction standing!
[Combat] You have lost 30 points of Plasma Thief faction standing!
[Spatial] You have been awarded 15 points of Gungan faction standing.
[Combat] You have been awarded 15 points of Gungan faction standing.
[Combat] Koasodat Isref (a plasma thief) swings at you and misses.
[Spatial] You receive 65 points of Pistol Weapons experience.
[Combat] You receive 65 points of Pistol Weapons experience.
[Spatial] You receive 6 points of Combat experience.
[Combat] You receive 6 points of Combat experience.
[Combat] You use Multi-Shot on Fa'vau Ostan (a plasma thief) for 254 points of damage!
[Combat] Issaro Ocofom (a plasma thief leader) shoots at you and hits for 61 points of damage.
[Combat] Your Oaceen's Chitin Armor Leggings armor prevented 10 points of damage.
[Combat] Issaro Ocofom (a plasma thief leader) shoots at you and hits for 62 points of damage.
[Combat] Koasodat Isref (a plasma thief) swings at you, but you dodge out of the way.
[Combat] You use Multi-Shot on Issaro Ocofom (a plasma thief leader) for 153 points of damage!
[Spatial] You have lost 30 points of Plasma Thief faction standing!
[Combat] You have lost 30 points of Plasma Thief faction standing!
[Spatial] You have been awarded 15 points of Gungan faction standing.
[Combat] You have been awarded 15 points of Gungan faction standing.
[Spatial] You receive 65 points of Pistol Weapons experience.
[Combat] You receive 65 points of Pistol Weapons experience.
[Spatial] You receive 6 points of Combat experience.
[Combat] You receive 6 points of Combat experience.
[Combat] You use Multi-Shot on Koasodat Isref (a plasma thief) for 234 points of damage!
[Combat] Issaro Ocofom (a plasma thief leader) shoots at you, but you dodge out of the way.
[Combat] You shoot at Issaro Ocofom (a plasma thief leader) and hit for 27 points of damage.
[Combat] You shoot at Issaro Ocofom (a plasma thief leader) and hit for 55 points of damage.
[Combat] Issaro Ocofom (a plasma thief leader) shoots at you and misses.
[Combat] You use Multi-Shot on Issaro Ocofom (a plasma thief leader) for 192 points of damage!
[Combat] Issaro Ocofom (a plasma thief leader) shoots at you and hits for 52 points of damage.
[Combat] Your Oaceen's Chitin Armor Leggings armor prevented 9 points of damage.
[Combat] Issaro Ocofom (a plasma thief leader) shoots at you, but you dodge out of the way.
[Combat] You use Multi-Shot on Issaro Ocofom (a plasma thief leader) for 192 points of damage!
[Combat] Issaro Ocofom (a plasma thief leader) shoots at you and hits for 52 points of damage.
[Combat] Your Oaceen's Chitin Armor Chest Plate armor prevented 10 points of damage.
[Combat] Issaro Ocofom (a plasma thief leader) shoots at you and hits for 46 points of damage.
[Combat] Your Oaceen's Chitin Armor Chest Plate armor prevented 8 points of damage.
[Spatial] You have lost 90 points of Plasma Thief faction standing!
[Combat] You have lost 90 points of Plasma Thief faction standing!
[Spatial] You receive 3 points of Pistol Weapons experience.
[Combat] You receive 3 points of Pistol Weapons experience.
[Spatial] You receive 1 point of Combat experience.
[Combat] You receive 1 point of Combat experience.
[Combat] You use Multi-Shot on Issaro Ocofom (a plasma thief leader) for 263 points of damage!


a couple notes:
-i am a master pistoleer with ranged support I, i was wearing a full suit (minus helm) of chitin (with about 17-20% base, depending on slice) and i was using a looted corsec CDEF pistol (3.5 speed, 17-35 dmg, pistol speed: 3) i have no additional skill tapes equipped
-the entire time i was targetting the leader; all four other died in about half the time as the leader, and were all neatly killed right beside me
-every time a plasma thief died, it emptied the queue completely; i refilled so that each shot was a multi-target pistol shot so these recordings would be accurate


what i can assume from this is that it does damage without logging, since it only listed damage twice for targets other than the leader(list in orange, all other attacks in yellow were listed as the leader), but all four others died long before he did (you can see when each died with each note of losing plasma thief faction standing)





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MCPrimetime
Mon May 03, 2004 4:00 am
#30

I've been testing here and there this week. Damage and speed mods seem the same as before, must retarget after you kill main target (as before). Still seems buggy, but one thing is for sure, Fan Shot is still better DPS no matter what.



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Kevie
Mon May 03, 2004 4:05 am
#31






MCPrimetime wrote:
I've been testing here and there this week. Damage and speed mods seem the same as before, must retarget after you kill main target (as before). Still seems buggy, but one thing is for sure, Fan Shot is still better DPS no matter what.






yah.... it's sad to say, but that is very true..... however with the mtps, it can also shoot behind you, not just in a 20degree arc...... a lot of good it does if the damage is less /sigh




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There is no command, mood, chat type: smuggle
"#*% damnit, no. Caboose; I'm not cold, I don't want a hotdog, and if you
put mustard in my #&$^ing sheets again I'm gonna kill you." - Tucker
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HardwiredXMan
Mon May 03, 2004 9:17 am
#32






Shazeen wrote:

I played around with this some more last night and here is what I found:



  • The 360 Degree AoE most definitely does work. I used this shot exclusively to take down a large number of faction missions, and never once did it not hit multiple targets. This includes those instances where my line of sight was interrupted.

  • The damage mod on this still hovers around 4.0 somewhere.

  • It still isnt as effective as fan shot or last ditch dps wise. I could drop the 3 stormies per mission almost twice as fast if I focused on keeping them in my fan shot cone or targeted them individually with last ditch.

  • With all that being said, this thing is a ton of fun to use. You shoot over your shoulder, around your waist, as well as an assortment of other weird shots. I could have sworn that once I shot between my legs as well (although I think my eyes were just playing tricks on me there). Bottom line is that while this isnt as effective as some other specials, it can be hella fun to use.







Really, Hmm....maybe I should test it again before I drop pistoleer for commando
Eked
Mon May 03, 2004 9:27 am
#33

It's a great shot and I use it a lot, just be careful youre not standing to close to a lair.. otherwise you will spawn a boatload of agros lol.



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Kevie
Mon May 03, 2004 12:15 pm
#34

the guys respawned so i figured i'd take another shot at 'em.... this time i examined them first and all four regular plasma thieves had about 100 HAM, the leader had 735 HAM, samesituation as before, only i forgot to mention the leader ran about 20 or so meters away both times and all the rest ganged up on me (some behind)
this time only two died very quickly, the other two died right before and right after the leader did (the last guy fell over after the leader died and my little red x went away though, so it's safe to assume he died right before also)


[Combat] You shoot at Ehah-Af O-Ast (a plasma thief leader) and hit for 35 points of damage.
[Combat] Ehah-Af O-Ast (a plasma thief leader) swings at you and misses.
[Combat] Ywiaregai Iafia (a plasma thief) shoots at you, but you dodge out of the way.
[Combat] You use Multi-Shot on Ehah-Af O-Ast (a plasma thief leader) for 213 points of damage!
[Combat] Ehah-Af O-Ast (a plasma thief leader) swings at you, but you dodge out of the way.
[Spatial] You have lost 30 points of Plasma Thief faction standing!
[Combat] You have lost 30 points of Plasma Thief faction standing!
[Spatial] You have been awarded 15 points of Gungan faction standing.
[Combat] You have been awarded 15 points of Gungan faction standing.
[Spatial] You receive 65 points of Pistol Weapons experience.
[Combat] You receive 65 points of Pistol Weapons experience.
[Spatial] You receive 6 points of Combat experience.
[Combat] You receive 6 points of Combat experience.
[Combat] You use Multi-Shot on Crigo Likro (a plasma thief) for 225 points of damage!
[Combat] Feobaesaemie Ialielp (a plasma thief) swings at you, but you dodge out of the way.
[Combat] Aikrar Iawiap (a plasma thief) swings at you, but you dodge out of the way.
[Combat] Ywiaregai Iafia (a plasma thief) kneels.
[Combat] Ywiaregai Iafia (a plasma thief) shoots at you and hits for 28 points of damage.
[Combat] Your Oaceen's Chitin Armor Right Bicep armor prevented 16 points of damage.
[Combat] You shoot at Feobaesaemie Ialielp (a plasma thief) and hit for 25 points of damage.
[Combat] Ehah-Af O-Ast (a plasma thief leader) swings at you, but you dodge out of the way.
[Combat] You shoot at Feobaesaemie Ialielp (a plasma thief) and hit for 44 points of damage.
[Combat] Feobaesaemie Ialielp (a plasma thief) swings at you, but you dodge out of the way.
[Combat] Ehah-Af O-Ast (a plasma thief leader) swings at you and hits for 61 points of damage.
[Combat] Your Oaceen's Chitin Armor Left Bicep armor prevented 48 points of damage.
[Combat] Feobaesaemie Ialielp (a plasma thief) swings at you and misses.
[Combat] Aikrar Iawiap (a plasma thief) swings at you, but you dodge out of the way.
[Combat] Ywiaregai Iafia (a plasma thief) shoots at you and hits for 30 points of damage.
[Combat] Your Oaceen's Chitin Armor Boots armor prevented 16 points of damage.
[Combat] You use Multi-Shot on Ehah-Af O-Ast (a plasma thief leader) for 135 points of damage!
[Combat] Ehah-Af O-Ast (a plasma thief leader) swings at you and hits for 63 points of damage.
[Combat] Your Oaceen's Chitin Armor Gloves armor prevented 50 points of damage.
[Spatial] You have lost 30 points of Plasma Thief faction standing!
[Combat] You have lost 30 points of Plasma Thief faction standing!
[Spatial] You have been awarded 15 points of Gungan faction standing.
[Combat] You have been awarded 15 points of Gungan faction standing.
[Spatial] You receive 65 points of Pistol Weapons experience.
[Combat] You receive 65 points of Pistol Weapons experience.
[Spatial] You receive 6 points of Combat experience.
[Combat] You receive 6 points of Combat experience.
[Combat] You use Multi-Shot on Ywiaregai Iafia (a plasma thief) for 230 points of damage!
[Combat] Ehah-Af O-Ast (a plasma thief leader) shoots at you, but you dodge out of the way.
[Combat] You shoot at Ehah-Af O-Ast (a plasma thief leader) and hit for 56 points of damage.
[Combat] Feobaesaemie Ialielp (a plasma thief) swings at you and hits for 45 points of damage.
[Combat] Aikrar Iawiap (a plasma thief) swings at you and hits for 22 points of damage.
[Combat] Your Oaceen's Chitin Armor Chest Plate armor prevented 36 points of damage.
[Combat] Your Oaceen's Chitin Armor Boots armor prevented 18 points of damage.
[Combat] Ehah-Af O-Ast (a plasma thief leader) shoots at you and misses.
[Combat] You use Multi-Shot on Ehah-Af O-Ast (a plasma thief leader) for 244 points of damage!
[Spatial] You have lost 30 points of Plasma Thief faction standing!
[Combat] You have lost 30 points of Plasma Thief faction standing!
[Spatial] You have been awarded 15 points of Gungan faction standing.
[Combat] You have been awarded 15 points of Gungan faction standing.
[Combat] Ehah-Af O-Ast (a plasma thief leader) shoots at you, but you dodge out of the way.
[Spatial] You receive 65 points of Pistol Weapons experience.
[Combat] You receive 65 points of Pistol Weapons experience.
[Spatial] You receive 6 points of Combat experience.
[Combat] You receive 6 points of Combat experience.
[Combat] You use Multi-Shot on Aikrar Iawiap (a plasma thief) for 157 points of damage!
[Combat] Feobaesaemie Ialielp (a plasma thief) swings at you, but you dodge out of the way.
[Combat] Ehah-Af O-Ast (a plasma thief leader) kneels.
[Combat] Ehah-Af O-Ast (a plasma thief leader) shoots at you and misses.
[Combat] Feobaesaemie Ialielp (a plasma thief) swings at you, but you dodge out of the way.
[Combat] You use Multi-Shot on Ehah-Af O-Ast (a plasma thief leader) for 250 points of damage!
[Combat] Ehah-Af O-Ast (a plasma thief leader) shoots at you, but you dodge out of the way.
[Spatial] You have lost 30 points of Plasma Thief faction standing!
[Combat] You have lost 30 points of Plasma Thief faction standing!
[Spatial] You have been awarded 15 points of Gungan faction standing.
[Combat] You have been awarded 15 points of Gungan faction standing.
[Combat] You use Multi-Shot on Feobaesaemie Ialielp (a plasma thief) for 182 points of damage!
[Spatial] You receive 65 points of Pistol Weapons experience.
[Combat] You receive 65 points of Pistol Weapons experience.
[Spatial] You receive 6 points of Combat experience.
[Combat] You receive 6 points of Combat experience.
[Combat] Ehah-Af O-Ast (a plasma thief leader) shoots at you and misses.
[Spatial] You have lost 90 points of Plasma Thief faction standing!
[Combat] You have lost 90 points of Plasma Thief faction standing!
[Spatial] You have been awarded 45 points of Gungan faction standing.
[Combat] You have been awarded 45 points of Gungan faction standing.
[Spatial] You receive 3 points of Pistol Weapons experience.
[Combat] You receive 3 points of Pistol Weapons experience.
[Spatial] You receive 1 point of Combat experience.
[Combat] You receive 1 point of Combat experience.
[Combat] You use Multi-Shot on Ehah-Af O-Ast (a plasma thief leader) for 217 points of damage!


also i noticed something weird...... the first shot fired is a regular shot, as were several others during each fight- this might lead us to knowing what some of the problems with this shot are if we can figure out why

also i'm assuming that several shots that were fired at the plasma thief leader dealt damage to other targets since his HAM was only 735 and the total damage done to him was FAR greater

and it's not the resists, they all had none whatsoever




Oaceen Tunaisea (Ow-seen Two-nay-see), Kettemoor
There is no command, mood, chat type: smuggle
"#*% damnit, no. Caboose; I'm not cold, I don't want a hotdog, and if you
put mustard in my #&$^ing sheets again I'm gonna kill you." - Tucker
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vGeist
Mon May 03, 2004 12:35 pm
#35

Back when disarm2 was a aoe KD, if you used that first then used multi-target, multi worked very well. It seemed like the aoe in the KD somehow made all the mobs more targetable to the multi. But if you used multi first, it didn't work too hot.
Raptor2k1
Mon May 03, 2004 3:42 pm
#36

Hmm, it's weird how it works. I was messing around in one of the piratre bunkers the other day and couldn't get it to hit multiple targets, wheras when I switched over to PBArea2 I killed pretty much the entire bunker in 3 shots.



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Datchery
Mon May 03, 2004 5:51 pm
#37

It probably is working in the same way Fanshot works. The first time damage is 'applied' to a target you AREN'T targeting directly (i.e. some guy next to your mark) it aggros them, but deals no actual damage. also, if you kill your target in one shot, then start on another, the first area hits still count towards the 'fake hit'


Follow that?


-Datchery


Dagger20
Tue May 04, 2004 6:13 am
#38

I've found (and read somewhere) that the multi-target shot targets those that have already been damaged by you. Then alternates back and forth in the animation which target it shoots at. The primary target usually gets more damage done with a lesser degree on others. Yes, it will attack in any direction to keep following the enemies. It doesn't seem to do as much damage per shot as othe specials but pays off in the long run when you have larger groups of adversaries. I particularly use it when I'm hunting in groups as it seems to shorten the overall engagement time for the group.



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Dagger20
Tue May 04, 2004 6:17 am
#39

Oh yea, one downside to this. I mentioned it will attack those targets already damaged by you...with the exception to lairs.Even if you haven't already hit them, it will target them. If you don't want to keep poking the lair and drawing stuff out, beware when near a lair.



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