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Thread: Let's noot cut our own throats

Cookie-Eater
Tue Jun 28, 2005 9:09 pm
#27






MazTaim wrote:






PyscoJuggalo wrote:

I agree with Fisher..... eventhough my anger and pissed off-ness has lead me to feed flamebait threads. People must remember, whatever works in your profession looks overpowered to someone who aint got it






Heres the thing pre cu I'm able to hold my own even with out bh pistols then I pick up MBH dropping ch (which got the shaft) I still do ok but there are other combos that out dam me but I ok cause I can still hold my own. Then the cu hits along with the respec and I find that pistoleers have now gotten the shaft and everyone can do the same specials but with better weapons??? so not only does my guildy who had a bas ass t21 pre cu out damage me but he does it using some of my specials??? That has got to make you mad.

And what seems to be the only option? pick up some rifleman to compete bah!!!


I've been around for just about 2 yrs and I have seen pistoleers get worst every patch. I think that after this patch 19 I will have to take a long look at SWG and see if I'm going to keep up my account






for the 36549863459613495698765927645th, You DONT need to pick up Rifleman and You CAN Burst Runtowards Targetabnd If you have KD Attack, Bah, You KD, Heal, and now you're in Range...If someone else posts something like this again Im pulling the trigger on my Elite Carbine



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Cpl_Fisher
Tue Jun 28, 2005 9:43 pm
#28

You can also pick up rifleman weapons like the advanced laser rifle, which in many respecs, is better than a T21 now.



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Cpl_Fisher
Wed Jun 29, 2005 1:56 pm
#29

/bang



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BadgerSmaker
Wed Jun 29, 2005 1:56 pm
#30






MazTaim wrote:


You missed the point. I can't hold my own as a master pistoleer where at one time i could. I don't want to solo elders and krayts nor do I think that any pistoleer should be able to but I do think that I should be able to hold my own in pve which right now I can't. So pull your trigger






Pistoleer on its own can't really, once that stopping shot misses or wears of you get eaten up. Theres not much else you can do to kite. Only carbineers can kite with their own specials.





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MazTaim
Wed Jun 29, 2005 2:05 pm
#31







BadgerSmaker wrote:





MazTaim wrote:


You missed the point. I can't hold my own as a master pistoleer where at one time i could. I don't want to solo elders and krayts nor do I think that any pistoleer should be able to but I do think that I should be able to hold my own in pve which right now I can't. So pull your trigger






Pistoleer on its own can't really, once that stopping shot misses or wears of you get eaten up. Theres not much else you can do to kite. Only carbineers can kite with their own specials.








And that my point THANKS BADGERSMAKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I have been around as a pistoleer as long as I played this game ( going on 2 years) and I never wanted to be uber I ground out pistols while watching my guildy's do 3k dam to my 900 or so in then I remember the fwg nerf and the scatter nerf then the big whoop about dx2's and republics and I was happy I knew what I could fight and I knew what to run away from. With the cu I feel that the list of what I can fight has gotten very small and the run away list has gotten very big


Message Edited by MazTaim on 06-29-2005 05:05 PM



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Cpl_Fisher
Wed Jun 29, 2005 2:38 pm
#32






MazTaim wrote:







BadgerSmaker wrote:





MazTaim wrote:


You missed the point. I can't hold my own as a master pistoleer where at one time i could. I don't want to solo elders and krayts nor do I think that any pistoleer should be able to but I do think that I should be able to hold my own in pve which right now I can't. So pull your trigger






Pistoleer on its own can't really, once that stopping shot misses or wears of you get eaten up. Theres not much else you can do to kite. Only carbineers can kite with their own specials.








And that my point THANKS BADGERSMAKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I have been around as a pistoleer as long as I played this game ( going on 2 years) and I never wanted to be uber I ground out pistols while watching my guildy's do 3k dam to my 900 or so in then I remember the fwg nerf and the scatter nerf then the big whoop about dx2's and republics and I was happy I knew what I could fight and I knew what to run away from. With the cu I feel that the list of what I can fight has gotten very small and the run away list has gotten very big



Message Edited by MazTaim on 06-29-2005 05:05 PM




what other proffession do you have? as a cm there is not much I can do either. all I can do is put cob on (from brawler 1/0/0/0) and run while I heal. If I am close, I can paralize and throw on some dubffs, but that's it.



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BadgerSmaker
Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:15 pm
#33






Cpl_Fisher wrote:


what other proffession do you have? as a cm there is not much I can do either. all I can do is put cob on (from brawler 1/0/0/0) and run while I heal. If I am close, I can paralize and throw on some dubffs, but that's it.





Huh?? CM is the best PvE (and soem say PvP) profession going. Just stick electrolyte drain on melee mobs and kite.




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Cpl_Fisher
Wed Jun 29, 2005 4:24 pm
#34






BadgerSmaker wrote:





Cpl_Fisher wrote:


what other proffession do you have? as a cm there is not much I can do either. all I can do is put cob on (from brawler 1/0/0/0) and run while I heal. If I am close, I can paralize and throw on some dubffs, but that's it.





Huh?? CM is the best PvE (and soem say PvP) profession going. Just stick electrolyte drain on melee mobs and kite.







and damage them with unarmed 4. or auto attack with a launcher pistol....


because I have no other combat skills yet.


my point is that having just one proffession makes you very one sided and not very good, I would do much better in a ffight if I was a 4/0/0/0 rifles and 4/0/0/0 cm..... because I would have offessive ability as well.





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MazTaim
Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:05 pm
#35






Cpl_Fisher wrote:





BadgerSmaker wrote:





Cpl_Fisher wrote:


what other proffession do you have? as a cm there is not much I can do either. all I can do is put cob on (from brawler 1/0/0/0) and run while I heal. If I am close, I can paralize and throw on some dubffs, but that's it.





Huh?? CM is the best PvE (and soem say PvP) profession going. Just stick electrolyte drain on melee mobs and kite.







and damage them with unarmed 4. or auto attack with a launcher pistol....


because I have no other combat skills yet.


my point is that having just one proffession makes you very one sided and not very good, I would do much better in a ffight if I was a 4/0/0/0 rifles and 4/0/0/0 cm..... because I would have offessive ability as well.








I picked up MCH ( yeah yeah I know gultton for punshiment) cause I was sick of being surrounded by MBH and now I'm thinking that I might have to pick back up some of bh or carbines just so I can have a little offense





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Cpl_Fisher
Wed Jun 29, 2005 7:50 pm
#36


exactly, you have to have a balanced template or a balanced group in order to suceede, you can have all the defense in the world, but at the very most you will force a draw, and its dificult to do that.I think that's where the peoples perception problem is. Offense carries the day, even the tallest mountain or stoutest bullwark can be eventually worn down. What defense allows you to do is it gives you staying power.

I fought a level 80 guildmate to a standstill today, I used COb and mellee strike. thing was I could outheal his damge, and slowley but surely, wore him down, high damage dealers have very short staying power, if you can stand the initial barrage, they are left in a vulnerable postion, very vulnerable to a snare or a root, then its just a matter of time, they are left with ranged shot, since ther sac is so high, and your defenses and armor take care of that.

then just wear him down. That's really the key to pistoleer, you have staying power,and can control the fight. esp since concussion shot is a mez, and breaks on damage now.

It is instructive to look at PvP weapons to, and what the specs on weapons that are custm made for PvP by people who know what they are doing.

rifles are almost alway made for max damage, with any extra points put into speed. then they are sac pupped.

comes out usually to around 1100 max 80 ish sac

Pistol are made for max damge then sac, like my featherweight FWG5. damge is 936 sac of 83. I put a max damge pupp on it. It comes out about 1070ish max and 83 sac with pup. (I can't remember exact stats, I havn't logge donto Valcyn for a while)

both weapons came out about the same.....


only difference is in range, but you have a a little bit more crowd control, and a lot more defense than a rifleman has....


of course you will rarely run into single elite/hybrid templates out there.


That's why so many rifleman pick up someor all of pistoleer, to fill in there gaps in there proffession.


most succesful pistoleers will pick up proffessions to shore up there main shortcomming (damage)


me? I picked up BH on my alt, and I plan on dropping most of pistoleer for CM, I will still use my pistol as my main weapon. why? becuase of its low sac, and kinetic damge.





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MazTaim
Fri Jul 01, 2005 4:46 pm
#37

Concussion is not a pistoleer shot. I understand the current need to balance your template I just disagree with the fact that it is a must in order to play this game Case in point I'm off work right now but my guildys won't be on till bout 9pm est or so... What can I do during that time?? run mission umm no cause when the stopping shot wears off I'm done. The 300 max dam pet that is suppose to be tanking for me?? umm he's only hitting for 100 so that mean I'm on the run till the cool down on stopping shot wears off. yeesh I got to run from a bantha this game is really starting to break my give a damn (stolen from Cpl_Fisher)

Message Edited by MazTaim on 07-01-2005 07:46 PM



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Cpl_Fisher
Fri Jul 01, 2005 8:11 pm
#38

I have a hard rime soloing anything in this game that's close to my CL...yea I can do it, but its hard. in order to succesfully solo you have to have 3 things, offense, defense, and healing..... if you don't have that, you aren't going to be succesful. It's still hard though. best bet is to specialize in one thing, and have your group fill inthe rest






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Cookie-Eater
Fri Jul 01, 2005 9:19 pm
#39

Im Master Pistols/Master Carbines/CM 4400 and Krayts only last 4 min under the power of my 352 dps Elite Carbine



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