Pistoleer Archive
Thread: Who likes Fanshot as Cone attack? (changed on TC)
Zerona wrote:
You're absolutely right I'm a dabbler. I think Fan Shot, as it is now, is the first and only attractive skill I've seen in Pistoleer outside of tier 1.... But changing Fan Shot back to the way it was will only lead to my previous conclusion - the other 18 points I have available are better spent on Entertainer than any of the other trees. I don't see why anyone would fight to keep any of the Technique skills the way they were.
/signed
Riflemenhave Flushing Shot2 at Level III (Expert) in the Rifle Counter Snipingbranch. This used to do what our Fan Shot does (damage to multiple targets in a cone AoE). The *description* says "startle and stun" so according to that, it should also STUN its targets (having tried this shot, it doesn't stun them last I checked).
Riflemenhave Flurry Shot2 at Level III (Expert)in the Rifle Special Abilitiesbranch.This, gentlemen (and ladies amongst you) does a Cone AoE DIZZY attack...can someone confirm if it still does it?
Carbineers have Full Auto Area 2 at Level III (Expert) in the Carbine Special Abilities branch. This does what our Fan Shot does (cone AoE attack for damage).
Carbineers haveWild Shot2 at Level IV (Master) in the CarbineAssault Tacticsbranch. This does an Area STUN/KD attack, if I remember correctly (any carbineers wanna confirm?).
Andpeople still want to take away ourbest non-master AoE attack?I guess they feel that PBA2 is good enough... Whydo people consider a cone AoE attack a Master Pistoleer ability when the other gun professions have an AoE/Cone attack at level III? Ours is even Level IV!
Keeping Fan Shot the way it is, where it is, is directly in line with the other gun professions. Moving it up to master-level or changing it back to the way it was is a NERF, guys. Do you wanna be NERFd in comparison to the other professions? If you are in favor of this NERF, then obviously you aren't looking out for the profession, just looking out for your own "masterhood".
OwariLoren wrote:
And holy crap Laeren, I know you are trying to spark some fear mongering or something with the word NERF.... are you sure you used it enough? Geez you need to relax.
Mostly I wanted people to see that we were underpowered in the AoE department, and moving Fan Shot UP the tree was definitely a bad move, given that the other professions have AoE shots at lower levels than us even corrently.
The word NERF is applied quite liberally in many other cases. In this case, people requestiong Fan Shot be moved up to Master Pistoleer status would be ____'ing themselves. We have enough problems in this profession without requestiong further power reductions.
Moving Fan Shot is a bad idea. Fan Shot is exactly right in terms of where it is in our tree:
1) It works just fine
2) it is the right power-level in comparison to other gun-professions
3)It does an appropriate amount of damage
4) It is our only other AoE attack aside from PBA2. Every other gun profession has 2 AoE attacks in their lower trees.
We should be pushing for a more intact and powerful Master Pistoleer shot. Stopping Shot 2 comes to mind...
Self-Nerfing is like Self-Medication. You or the people around you can only take so much...
I have very little faith that MTPS is going to be changed into something that's usable. In the past, MTPS was just a HUGE action drain that wasn't worth using. There was a short period of time when I thought I understood how MTPS worked, and even then, it was useless.
Someone posted they thought fanshot was doing less damage now. Wrong.
I did timed tests against static npc lairs and damage per shot still averaged same as orginal posted modifier of 4.0 times 1.5 . Btw I had done this same test on lairs, as well,before patch changed fanshot to cone effect.
I don't post to this forum much, but MAN COMMON fan shot is one of the best skills in the game right now pieriod and all you can do is complane! I mean really, for 39 action I get a high damage multi-target ability. WHATS WRONG WIITH THIS??? excuse me while I put on my whiner voice " WAHAAHHAH it's what multi target pistol shot is supposed to do, WAHAHHAHAHA It's not techingally what fan shot means WHHAHAHAHAHAHA it's not what the skill describes!@" PEOPLE COMMON It's an awesome skill that any other class would kill for. I was a master riflemen, for a similar ability I had to pay 129 mind. You have to pay 39 ACTION from a healable pool for an attack that does the SAME THING. STOP WHINING AND BE THANKFUL FOR WHAT YOU HAVE. Gosh and I was gonna master pistoleer to, because I was tired of other people getting my class nerfed, now it looks like the people who are trying to gimp the class play the class them selves, Unfricken believable.
AZ
Phantom25 wrote:
I don't post to this forum much, but MAN COMMON fan shot is one of the best skills in the game right now pieriod and all you can do is complane! I mean really, for 39 action I get a high damage multi-target ability. WHATS WRONG WIITH THIS??? excuse me while I put on my whiner voice " WAHAAHHAH it's what multi target pistol shot is supposed to do, WAHAHHAHAHA It's not techingally what fan shot means WHHAHAHAHAHAHA it's not what the skill describes!@" PEOPLE COMMON It's an awesome skill that any other class would kill for. I was a master riflemen, for a similar ability I had to pay 129 mind. You have to pay 39 ACTION from a healable pool for an attack that does the SAME THING. STOP WHINING AND BE THANKFUL FOR WHAT YOU HAVE. Gosh and I was gonna master pistoleer to, because I was tired of other people getting my class nerfed, now it looks like the people who are trying to gimp the class play the class them selves, Unfricken believable.
AZ
If you need lessons on how to use Cone-AoE attacks, ask a mid-level Rifleman or Carbineer.They already know:
1. how to not shoot the nest
2. how to not shootthe NPC
3.how to use a combination of shots (rather than spamming the same shot over and over).
Pistoleers, on the other hand, don't seem to be able to pick up on these skills...
A few days ago, I was pvp'ing and I saw a bunch of red dots so I turned to run, but they gave chase so I decided to stop and attack. There were five people, and after spamming fanshot for a little while, they were all incapped and that included one master pistoleer. Even that master wasn't knowledgeable enough to realize that they should spread out so my cone attack wasn't hitting all of them at the same time.
In any case, it's been changed on test already and something tells me that they won't be changing it back.
I guess they are hoping that this brief taste will be enough to tide us over until they get around to fixing disarmingshot2 and MTPS (which I'm guessing will be months from now, at their current turtle rate of profession fixes).
Alessandra wrote:
Laeren, having a cone attack is new for a lot of pistoleers, and it hasn't been that long since fanshot was changed to a cone. Many pistoleers are used to relying on fanshot as their bread and butter attack and it's an adjustment for some to not spam fanshot automatically whenever they attack something.(
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In any case, it's been changed on test already and something tells me that they won't be changing it back. (sadface deleted)
This is exactly my point. All the whining by people who can't learn to use a new shot is getting it nerfed back to a stupid shot that might as well be called Triple Tap, rather than the ULTRA cool shot it has been for the past 2 weeks. Your examplie which I snipped out is a GREAT example for keeping it the way it was...but nooo....*sighs*
I give up - you people do what you want. I'm finding something else with a cone AoE.
I am now a Pistoleer 3-3-4-3. With the last patch, I am finding that I have a hard time with this cone AOE. Now I have to be quite careful with my attacks. I use Fan Shot almost exclusively and now when I go on rescue missions for NPC's my shots take out the principal about half the time. Now I can't solo some of these missions without danger to myself as I take damage while using lesser shots, or pulling out my pet, which defeats the purpose of my level 4 skill. I for one vote to have this skill changed back to the way it was..sorry to those of you that prefer it this way.
Rutigrr - Coronet CIty, Corellia
MTPS... I was really hoping that this would become a Health-Targeted cone. It fits with bodyshots 1,2,3 and Heathshot 1,2... it would have become a nice Master ability worth looking forward too.
Laeren wrote:Moving Fan Shot is a bad idea. Fan Shot is exactly right in terms of where it is in our tree:
1) It works just fine
2) it is the right power-level in comparison to other gun-professions
3) It does an appropriate amount of damage
4) It is our only other AoE attack aside from PBA2. Every other gun profession has 2 AoE attacks in their lower trees.We should be pushing for a more intact and powerful Master Pistoleer shot. Stopping Shot 2 comes to mind...
Excellent summary that I wholeheartedly agree with too. I sure hope the pistoleer dev/correspondent reads this.