Pistoleer Archive

---

Snix wrote:

ok, so would you be happy if they changed the description?

btw, targeting multiple enemies and hitting each one seperately (which i think MTPS isdoing or supposed to do)is different to a cone aoe.

---

No, I wouldn't be happy with them changing the description. I'd be happy with them fixing our profession right the first time. I'd be happy if they actually listened and took into account our correspondent's suggestions.

I'm not saying fan shot doesn't have its uses in its current state but overall it really does very little to improve our class. Fan shot should be the most devastating single target attack we have. You should see multiple hits on a target and the damage to a target which reflects this.

As far as your description of MTPS being different than cone aoe, you're really splitting hairs on this just to justify keeping it like it is. I don't give a flip whether aoe is cone or not. How many versions of aoe do we really need anyway? We'd be much better off with one worthwhile single target attack than 3 or 4 versions of aoe which is what some of youseem to want.

Our best guns remain a Scout Blaster and FWG5 (DX2 is an absolute joke). Body Shot 3 is marginally better than BS2 at master level (BS2 outperforms BS3 until you reach master). The devs continue putting our big issues on the back burner (random HAM damage, crappy weapons, DPS, etc...) yet you are happy to have another version of an aoe. /boggle

This may be irrelevant, or I may be missing something, so help me out here

I JUST got FS last night. So the first thing I wanted to do was try it out. I never came to the pistoleer board except to get an overview of what direction the profession was going, so I didn't know there were problems with certain attacks, and what they were. So heres what I've seen...

When I attacked, it semed to do slightly less damage then stopping shot (I understand its a x4 multiple and SS is x5). It hit my target once, and then struck close by targets for like damage..... BUT, I tested this again this morning and what I got was that the combat window shows I hit 2 or 3 targets, but the only one whose HAM was damaged was the selected target.

So my question is, am I using this attack wrong?? and is anyone else noticing this? Yes, i know there are broken things in pistoleer.... But if its hitting a narrow cone in the combat window but not affecting the HAM then its either me or them lol.... so which is it? any advice? and last, how is this affected on TC?

It sucks. Yet another usless special attack. Isnt multi target shot SUPPOSED to do what fan shot is doing now?

no, fan shot is a AOE cone.

MTPS is supposed to hit up to 10 targets 360 degrees around you

---

Dormax wrote:

This may be irrelevant, or I may be missing something, so help me out here

When I attacked, it semed to do slightly less damage then stopping shot (I understand its a x4 multiple and SS is x5). It hit my target once, and then struck close by targets for like damage..... BUT, I tested this again this morning and what I got was that the combat window shows I hit 2 or 3 targets, but the only one whose HAM was damaged was the selected target.

---

Your first Fan Shot will aggro everything in the cone without doing any actual damage to anything except the original target or anything already aggro.

All subsequent Fan Shots will actually damage everything aggroed in the cone.

This shot is very useful to us evil, cheap, lamer no-skill pet users, as we send in the pet to start the aggro, and then spam away.

I would be, uh, irritated if they change this without first fixing MTPS first.

I'm MCH as well, and in its current form fanshot is fantastic. I can aggro a load of critters with my pets, then fanshot the pack to pieces. It takes some skill, you don't want to get the lair in the field of fire, and sometimes a mob will break off and attack you, but I love it.

However, I can understand if people wanted it back as it was, it doesn't live up to its stated aim, but I would prefer they don't change it until they fix the multi target Master pistoleer special.
I can spam stopping shot as fast as fanshot now, so I don't really gain anything by switching it back right now, which is a situation any aspiring Pistoleers will be in as you level I think.

NO NO NO NO do NOT change it! It's PERFECT the way it is!

Why do we need another Stopping Shot? People complain:

"Oh I use Fan Shot and it hits multiple targets"
"Why's gotta do that it's useless"
"I want it to hit a single target for mega damage!"

Dudes, that's what Stopping Shot is for! Where on any tree do you see the first tier shot and then immediately after it the 2nd tier shot? If you want Fan Shot to just be a faster Stopping Shot then it would have to be moved elsewhere or higher up the tree and just called Stopping Shot 2. You can't have Stopping Shot (1) and Stopping Shot (2, i.e. Fan Shot) be on the same branch and right next to each other.

Also, so what if the text description is wrong. The text description does NOT fit the actual name of the shot. Fans spread out, like a real fan does, or in this case, a cone. If you want to hit multiple shots that hit a single target, that would be Stream Shot or Flurry Shot (already taken) or MSSTPS (Multie Shot Single Target Pistol Shot) or something, not Fan shot.

So, actually, the shot as it stands is totally "fixed", and needs no further changes except for the flavor text. And as far as "flavor text" goes, do you guys really care? After all, how many of you really care if Double Tap actually shoots 2x or 3x?

I will put my vote in for keeping the current fanshot... just change the description. It is very useful at times in PvE, and is almost always usefull in PvP. It makes pistoleer aneffective support fighter in raids or defending raids. For hitting a single target, we have stopping shot... i am not sure what the problem is. Fan shot adds a new situational shot and thus more dimension to the profession and combat. Besides, isnt MTPS hosed anyways? It seems to have massive HAM costs but it hits for very little with really an insane delay.

That is why I like it. It makes being a pistoleer much more fun.

Meaty - Chilastra - Master Gunfighter

I've just read up on the pistol master attack, I change my vote to keep fan shot as it is,

In actuality, when pertaining to a "Fan Shot" in real life pistol pro's, the fan shot is used on a revolver to very quickly "fan" all 4-5 fingers over the hammer while holding the triger in to quickly empty the gun As if it were an automatic. This in effect "if close" would hit a single target 4-5 times in rapid succession doing X4 damage pertaining to the game. Just mentioning what a real fan shot actually is.

I just got done from an endurance trial of Fan Shot. This thing is sickeningly powerful. Not only does it have a respectable multiplier for a Random HAM attack, but the potential crowd killing is unbelievable. I went cave hunting where I knew I could draw 10 Dralls all and once and it was a massacre. I started with a Krevol but he was just getting in the way. Pretty soon, all I had to do was get them to aggro and rush me. They would never make it. As before, single targets are better taken care of with BS2, but for multiple groups, nothing can compare to this meat grinder.

Again I see people saying Keep it the way it is.. yet I look at them saying they are

Pistoleer 0/0/4/3.. And now I know why they cry.. Dabblers.. They fail to realize we already have a shot that does that. Multi target shot is already there its broke.. the developers fixed the wrong one.. but these people dont want it fixed because that means they cant get more bang for their skill point. But the Pistoleer masters completely lose a shot because they get two that do the same stupid thing..

Fan shot is not a fan cone shot, fan shot means the rotation of the arm in a fanning motion striking the hammer of the gun faster than the trigger pull. the hammer is hit with the bottom part of the palm.. All these people wanting to keep it must not be masters of the profession. because masters of the profession do want to keep it but the want it to be where its suppose to be in multi target shot, not fan shot. Fan shot is suppose to hit one target multiple times.. But people are stubborn and greedy its their nature.

Im sure now that I have said that mythical master pistoleers will step up and say "Im a master and I want it to stay the way it is" whatever..... Falling on deaf ears probably.

You're absolutely right I'm a dabbler. I think Fan Shot, as it is now, is the first and only attractive skill I've seen in Pistoleer outside of tier 1. In fact, I could see that, given the damage multiplier and cone effect, it would make a great case for someone to go to Master. But changing Fan Shot back to the way it was will only lead to my previous conclusion - the other 18 points I have available are better spent on Entertainer than any of the other trees. I don't see why anyone would fight to keep any of the Technique skills the way they were.