Pistoleer Archive
Thread: If we end up without a ranged KD, **edit**?
Steenky wrote:
Titles of "master" do not necessarily translate directly into the practical application of their skills in every situation. For example, an olympian marksman might hit a quarter mid air while a cop might not. Thats not to say that that olympian would fair as well killing a human being in an urban setting. A master pistoleer (defined simply as a user of pistols) does not inherently become the end all be all of pistol users in the realm of killing other people.
A bounty hunter on the other hand explicitly "eliminates almost any opponent". Given that one of his 3 weapons is a pistol, the usage of that weapon in regards to killing other PC/NPCs should be of greater efficiency than someone who has "gained significant improvements in short-range firearms".
Okay, you need to stop watching TV. Being a cop does not make you a better killer than anyone else. I know 17 year olds in high school that could kill a person in an urban setting better than a cop. Doesn't make them better marksman, but being able to kill and being able to shoot is two totally different things. As a matter of fact I am POSITIVE that their are 17 year old highschool kids that have killed more people than a 20 year veteran cop. An olympian marksman would have a better chance at killing people in an urban setting than a cop.Because hein facthas better marksmanship skills.Stop watching TV and get some education.
Freaking moron let me tell yah. He is using "Master Pistoleer" being simply defined as someone who uses pistols. And THEN he is using "Bounty Hunter" Umm some one that hunts bounties? as "Eliminate almost any Opponent" Sorry bounty hunters are the suck and I can beat any one of them one on one. Even S.O.E. said they aren't a combat class. Boba Fett is a looser. D00d is just a free thinking storm trooper for crying out loud. Go change your boba fett underoos and go buy Brahmd Val'Resh underoos cause Pistoleers in fact are > Bounty Hunters.
Can't we just all get along 
How about we just agree.
Master pistoleer should be > BH pistol 4.
Master BH should be > master pistoleer
Master pistoleer + all other utilized combat skills(close to 250 points used )>= Master BH
Master BH + all skillpointsused = master pistoleer + all skills used (as long as both on relevant combat/healing skills)
And drumroll...
BHs should use BH specific weapons to do all that, not pistols
That's just my take, from a PvP perspective.
further proof that it is a bad idea to completely rework a proffession 1 week before game release. its obvious now that bh +wpn skills should have neverstacked with pistol/carb + wpn skills. sooooo many probs could have been avoided if the bh skills were made unique.
just makes me wonder why i should have faith in the dev team to fix anything when they clearly totally blew the obvious things.
"Okay now for the being in the military makes you a better marksman. Yes in the military you get marksmanship training, and in the police force you get marksmanship training, But in no way does being in either of those services automatically make u a better markmsan. I just got out of the army myself and I know people that my cousin could out shoot, cause he played duck hunt on the nintendo. Not everyone in the military is a great marksman. Yes there are great marksmen in the military, but they most likely were good marksmen b4 they joined in the first place, and the military just took that further. You really need to support your opinions better. "
And you reallyneed to read better. I never said being in the military makes you a better marksman, but rather I was comparing the psychological affects of being in the military vs being a civilian. A serviceman who has seen combat will be more tolerant towards seeing death than a regular individual. The whole argument wasa responseto Steenky's comparison of an Olympianmarksman to a cop, in which case, the differences would be largely psychological rather than skill-based. The only reason I brought up the military in the first place, was to point out that the psychological aspect between the civilian vs bounty hunter does not apply, because nearly all the characters in the game will either be imperial or rebel, therefore they would have been exposed to combat.
And incidentally, I know what a Ph.D is. If you're going to correct someone over something utterly besides the point, at least spell it correctly.
Freaking moron let me tell yah. He is using "Master Pistoleer" being simply defined as someone who uses pistols. And THEN he is using"Bounty Hunter" Umm some one that hunts bounties? as "Eliminate almost any Opponent"
Those descriptions are STRAIGHT FROM THE SKILL SHEET IN THE GAME! You think I made them up? Go read it yourself. Please post when you read the description: "master pistoleer - the best user of all pistols".
As a matter of fact I am POSITIVE that their are 17 year old highschool kids that have killed more people than a 20 year veteran cop. An olympian marksman would have a better chance at killing people in an urban setting than a cop. Because he in fact has better marksmanship skills. Stop watching TV and get some education.
Maybe you need to stop watching Columbine footage. Ya, a 17 year old can shoot and kill other unsuspecting high schoolers while on hall pass or while gang banging. How well they do against cops who are ready for em? When was the last time a shootout got so outta hand that the gun-totin criminals killed all the law enforcement they were up against and got away? More than 50% of the time? If you really believe a 17 year old, kill count and everything, is such a force to be reckoned with apply that same difficulty of target to SWG and you get maybe ajabba swoop(hapless kid runnin around without a clue what to do when fired upon). You think a track star can apply all his straight away speed instantly to the game of football? Speed does not necessarily a better football player make. Much as marksmanship allone a better human killer it make.
BH's are supposed to be the Best at a weapons Offensive capabilities. They should be able to kill better than any other class with a pistol/carbine/rifle. If a BH and a pistoller each went against a meatlump leader..or whatever mob. the BH should be able to kill it faster, doing more dmg.
The pistoller is supposed to be the all around badass with a pistol...Offense is just ONE PART of the whole scheme of things a pistoller is about. Pistolelrs have great defensive capabilities, great offense, and other abilities that "should" work to help them SURVIVE a fight. We don't have to kill the mob the FASTEST, hit the HARDEST, do the MOST DAMAGE. We have to survive, win, kick the mobs ass.
We are supposed to better at surviving a fight than the BH....
If in PvP or against a few mobs, a pistoller should fare better than a BH. A BH's special is that they are the best at taking down a Single Mark...kill with imputence. Pistollers should be better at controlling the mobs, affecting the actions of the fight instead of just trying to kill.
I know, I know...thats how it is "supposed" to be and it really inst...thats ok...
I've seen more novice pistollers with a few boxes into it that kill BH's and master commandos in duels/PvP than ive seen die. Just my personal experience...
I do agree that pistollers should have a better Pistol than any other class...maybe a faster pistol or two at once.
Just my 2c...
Herko
www.blackhandss.com
I'm not a master pistoleer, but isn't Suppersion fire a ranged knockdown?
It was working fine for me lastnight during some PvE.
"Titles of "master" do not necessarily translate directly into the practical application of their skills in every situation. For example, an olympian marksman might hit a quarter mid air while a cop might not. Thats not to say that that olympian would fair as well killing a human being in an urban setting. A master pistoleer (defined simply as a user of pistols) does not inherently become the end all be all of pistol users in the realm of killing other people."
Once again you're employing obscure cases. An olympian's inability to kill another human being is purely psychological and has nothing to do with pistol training.
"A bounty hunter on the other hand explicitly "eliminates almost any opponent". Given that one of his 3 weapons is a pistol, the usage of that weapon in regards to killing other PC/NPCs should be of greater efficiency than someone who has "gained significant improvements in short-range firearms"."
If you're comparing this to RL, then you're absolutely right, it'd be like comparing a civilian marksman to a marine in the military. But in this particular game, Pistoleers kill just as much as Bounty Hunters do (especially since more or less everyone is in a military faction), and exploring the psychological aspects of the characters really has no place, seeing as both sides are equally as callous towards death. So we are not comparing civilians to trained combatants, but rather two different classes of similar mentality. In this particular case, a Pistoleer in pure pistol usage should be better than a Bounty Hunter using pistols. That is not to say that the Pistoleer should win in a 1v1 fight, since a Bounty Hunter is SUPPOSED to have a lot of tricks up his sleeve (evidently not the case in this game, and that should be changed), but for pistol use alone, Pistoleers should be better given their constant practice with the weapon.