Pistoleer Archive
Thread: Hold your horses does this mean the intimidator pistol is not a master pistoleer weapon?
MDEUK
Wed Apr 06, 2005 3:07 am
#27
The sooner people like you go, the better - then we can have more mature and reasoned community.
TimePalladin wrote:
more and more reason to stop playing SWG i guess. Oh well they tried (i think..)
Tango88
Wed Apr 06, 2005 4:41 am
#28
A suggestion: Why not let both Pistols and SLs get the Intimidator cert? 
Fidgiter
Wed Apr 06, 2005 4:45 am
#29
A master pistoleer CAN use it! All they need to do is master Squad Leader also.
The strong weapon certifications in the Squad Leader profession offset its somewhat mediocre personal (not group) strengths for the skill points invested.
bl00ds0ul
Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:06 pm
#30
Republic blaster is the best pistol, its about time SL got something, stop being spoiled brats.
NivekAsh
Wed Apr 06, 2005 1:30 pm
#31
Personally, I can see both sides of this argument, though I will admit that as a pistoleer I dearly want that Intimidator. It has, since the .tre files came out so many months ago, been on my wishlist. Seeing it again on the CU weapons page had me very excited. Finding the cert...well, like most of you, it was quite a letdown. And then to see 3 other new pistols go elsewhere and still no new certs for us, very disheartening. I don't begrudge the smugglers, I know they have needed some love for a long time. And the CMs, well, from a traditional sense it is reasonable that they get a pistol though most medics now would actually carry carbines. If I were a CM I would rather take ranged support and then supplement with the weapon of my choice, but that is a personal preference and not the issue at hand. I find it odd that SL is now entirely pistol based, particularly when they get a cert for a carbine and rifle as well. It would make more sense to make it just the same as marksman, and have one line dedicated to each, thereby justifying them getting one of each weapon. That, again, is not the issue at hand though.
Now, it has been argued that if you handed current expert marksman weapons from 100 years ago then they would have little idea of how to operate them, and vice versa. That is, generally speaking, true. However, in the instance of SWG, there are two factors that I think nullify this argument. One, the fact that RL really has very little place in this game, which is perfectly exemplified by the power found in melee profs vs. ranged, to name but one example. Second would be diminishing returns. What I mean by this is, if you examine the republic blaster, a gun 30+ years old at this point in continuity, it operates basically the same as any other firearm. Power and cosmetic differences aside, there have been no remarkable leaps in technology that would preclude someone from successfully operating such a weapon. That is why I believe that a master should be able to use any/all weapons designated as a tool of their profession. Let the hybrid profs keep the certs they have, I definitely think they have been earned. At the same time, I think that master carbine/pistol/rifle should be able to use all the different weapons that are classified as what those individuals are masters with. Bring on the double certs!
DarthKthuolhu
Wed Apr 06, 2005 3:21 pm
#32
Ditto on the double Certs...
I was interested in working on Pistoleer as a side to support Smuggler, but now I dont want too, because I wanted the Intimidator Pistol. If it stays with SL, then I'm dropping any of the Pistoleer boxes I work on, as well as Master Marksman I worked up... because after Master SL and Master Smuggler, there is not much room left for anything else
I think I'll be the only Smuggler out there who, in-character... won't have a damned clue what it means to be a SL, and wont care about it either, he just wants the damned pistol.
I was interested in working on Pistoleer as a side to support Smuggler, but now I dont want too, because I wanted the Intimidator Pistol. If it stays with SL, then I'm dropping any of the Pistoleer boxes I work on, as well as Master Marksman I worked up... because after Master SL and Master Smuggler, there is not much room left for anything else
I think I'll be the only Smuggler out there who, in-character... won't have a damned clue what it means to be a SL, and wont care about it either, he just wants the damned pistol.
bl00ds0ul
Wed Apr 06, 2005 6:24 pm
#33
The intimidater is equal to the FWG5 pistol (Tier 4) so no it is NOT the best. The squad leaders deserve something of their own, crybabies.
Mater_Gunfighter
Wed Apr 06, 2005 6:48 pm
#34
bl00ds0ul wrote:
The intimidater is equal to the FWG5 pistol (Tier 4) so no it is NOT the best. The squad leaders deserve something of their own, crybabies.
First you call the republic blaster the best pistol and call us spoiled brats, then you call us pistoleers crybabies.
Atleast SL has some purpose in PvP/PvE. Atleast SL is a desired profession by people.
Pistoleer serves no great purpose in the game right now. We are slow, out damaged, state-less, and lack AP. All we ever get is maybe a new weapon here and there to keep us pacified. No other profession besides maybe carbineer actually needs to stack up other professions to be viable in a fight.
People may use SL AFK or just spam commands but atleast SL has a purpose. Master pistoleer is the punchline of a bad SOE joke.
And by the way, CU does suck
Message Edited by Mater_Gunfighter on 04-06-2005 06:49 PM
rysan
Wed Apr 06, 2005 7:22 pm
#35
bl00ds0ul wrote:
The intimidater is equal to the FWG5 pistol (Tier 4) so no it is NOT the best. The squad leaders deserve something of their own, crybabies.
How do you know the intimidator is equal to the FWG5! the stats that you can see in game currently are all going to change! Also where is the FWG5 on the CU pistoleer list - if i remember rightly very high up! hmmm... so i would take a stab that its better than most of the certs throughout pistoleer then.
Crybabies... im making a reasonable claim not flaming you...
Mater_Gunfighter
Thu Apr 07, 2005 12:38 am
#36
bl00ds0ul wrote:
Republic blaster is the best pistol, its about time SL got something, stop being spoiled brats.
Spoiled Brats???!!! When has pistoleer ever been spoiled. We are one of the slowest ranged profession, underpowered, lack any armor piercing in this current system and have the fewest working specials in the game. Is is so much to question why a non-pistol profession gets a pistol cert for an awsome looking pistol?
So pleasetake you CU Elitest Attitude and go to another board, we aren't interested in it here.
WillburWright
Thu Apr 07, 2005 2:06 pm
#37
bl00ds0ul wrote:
The intimidater is equal to the FWG5 pistol (Tier 4) so no it is NOT the best. The squad leaders deserve something of their own, crybabies.
Hot damn! Squad leaders flaming Pistoleers for wanting a pistol? If it wasn't so rediculous, I'd be lauging at you. I don't need/feel like giving you a list/essay, but you've got nerve to flame a pistoleer. I'vewas a Pistoleer from August of 03 till a month ago, and a Smuggler since then, too.Don't get me started on DESERVING, cause at least YOU CAN LEAD A SQUAD, I CAN'T EVEN SMUGGLE!
DiLune
Thu Apr 07, 2005 2:12 pm
#38
WillburWright wrote:
bl00ds0ul wrote:
The intimidater is equal to the FWG5 pistol (Tier 4) so no it is NOT the best. The squad leaders deserve something of their own, crybabies.
Hot damn! Squad leaders flaming Pistoleers for wanting a pistol? If it wasn't so rediculous, I'd be lauging at you. I don't need/feel like giving you a list/essay, but you've got nerve to flame a pistoleer. I'vewas a Pistoleer from August of 03 till a month ago, and a Smuggler since then, too.Don't get me started on DESERVING, cause at least YOU CAN LEAD A SQUAD, I CAN'T EVEN SMUGGLE!
Calm down hoss. You have no idea what you're talking about. I've been MP since August '03 and MSL since Jul '03. I don't think anyone should flame anyone for any reason in here. But getting mad because Squad Leader can lead squads is a little silly. Squad Leaders have lots and lots of problems. They lead squads about as much as a smuggler smuggles in the game. If you don't believe it, go ahead and form a group without SL skills. Its about the same experience.
Fidgiter
Thu Apr 07, 2005 2:14 pm
#39
And we all know how much people have needed to group to defeat high end content! Um, wait... I thought everyone soloed. Where are the squads we have lead?
WillburWright wrote:
Hot damn! Squad leaders flaming Pistoleers for wanting a pistol? If it wasn't so rediculous, I'd be lauging at you. I don't need/feel like giving you a list/essay, but you've got nerve to flame a pistoleer. I'vewas a Pistoleer from August of 03 till a month ago, and a Smuggler since then, too.Don't get me started on DESERVING, cause at least YOU CAN LEAD A SQUAD, I CAN'T EVEN SMUGGLE!