Pistoleer Archive
Thread: So what is our compensation going to be?!
2. no that's not the question... the question is, who is better off?
a rifleman using a pistol, or a pistoleer using a rifle?
3. the only reason to switch to a rifle is for greater range, period. a rifleman has no real reason to use a pistol unless he or she is smart enough to know that rifles have horrible accuracy up close
but when they do switch, they're at a SERIOUS disadvantage. see 2.
4. i thought you said you didn't mind being less accurate? pistoleers aren't damage dealers.
Kevie wrote:
1. that makes sense
2. no that's not the question... the question is, who is better off?
a rifleman using a pistol, or a pistoleer using a rifle?
Riflemen are getting NERFed. Stop crying about it.
3. the only reason to switch to a rifle is for greater range, period. a rifleman has no real reason to use a pistol unless he or she is smart enough to know that rifles have horrible accuracy up close
but when they do switch, they're at a SERIOUS disadvantage. see 2.
Tip: Burst Run towardtarget, Root, KD(If you can), Stun/Int, Disarm, /follow/Heal, "Insert your most powerful Attack here"
4. i thought you said you didn't mind being less accurate? pistoleers aren't damage dealers.
We are less accurate, we cant deal as much dmg, We are faster and have Low SAC.
Kevie wrote:
1. that makes sense
2. no that's not the question... the question is, who is better off?
a rifleman using a pistol, or a pistoleer using a rifle?
3. the only reason to switch to a rifle is for greater range, period. a rifleman has no real reason to use a pistol unless he or she is smart enough to know that rifles have horrible accuracy up close
but when they do switch, they're at a SERIOUS disadvantage. see 2.
4. i thought you said you didn't mind being less accurate? pistoleers aren't damage dealers.
There's a couple of VERY good reasons to use pistols ahead of rifles in many situations.
I respec'd to pistoleer/rifleman so I've run into this situation many times. If I'm out hunting with my guild and I use my rifle I draw A LOT of hate. We can have a couple of jedi and a pikeman or two tanking and I can easily draw hate from them using sniper shot.
Thanks to the recent changes in damage from mobs in PvE, if I hold a rifle I take more damage than I do holding a pistol.
If I use a pistol, sure I need to be inside 35m of the target, but I don't draw the hate away from the tanks and I can use my CM skills to help the tanks.
With a rifle I can kill stuff faster but if a high-level mob comes for me I'll likely be dead pretty soon. With a pistol I survive longer.
BadgerSmaker wrote:
My recently crafted guns are under 85 SAC, pup to 54 ish SAC... I can do 10k damage to a Dark Nova Trooper in one action dump...
Yeah those SAC pups are a lifesaver arent they? I usually dont have any that good (36% SAC reduction.... math right on that?) but I use 21% SAC reductions with only a .74% penalty! My friend with the T21 uses it too. Brings us down to about a 76 SAC each.
I personally prefer to skip the penalties if I can.
they dabble in us for root and other crowd control abilities, we dabble in rifles for better shots
with slower movement, that longer range will be more balanced"
"My recently crafted guns are under 85 SAC, pup to 54 ish SAC... I can do 10k damage to a Dark Nova Trooper in one action dump..."
And a rifleman could do 30k in one action dump, can also use a powerup... and be a whole second slower. LOL.
Kevie wrote:
1. that makes sense
2. no that's not the question... the question is, who is better off?
a rifleman using a pistol, or a pistoleer using a rifle?
3. the only reason to switch to a rifle is for greater range, period. a rifleman has no real reason to use a pistol unless he or she is smart enough to know that rifles have horrible accuracy up close
but when they do switch, they're at a SERIOUS disadvantage. see 2.
4. i thought you said you didn't mind being less accurate? pistoleers aren't damage dealers.
2. No, that IS the question. It's not a matter of who benefits from using the other weapon. It's a matter of a Master Pistoleer with Novice Rifles should be more accurate with a pistol than a Master Rifleman with Novice Pistoleer. I'm only concerned with use of a pistol. But to answer your question, obviously, the pistoleer using a rifle is a better option than a rifleman using a pistol. However, I'm nowhere near as accurate or fast with the rifle as the rifleman. That's fine with me. It's not fine when I'm less accurate with a pistolthan the rifleman + novice pistoleer is with a pistol.
3. yes, I know range is the main reason. Yet again, let's take the case of Master Pistoleer and Novice Rifle. I don't have the speed to keep up with the extra weapon speed and I lose my defense,but nowI have more rifle accuracy than I do pistol accuracy, from just one box. Again, this is what irritates me. (and leads into point 4.)
4. You are completely missing my point on accuracy. If we give general accuracy at novice, then so should rifles and carbines. That's the main point I'm trying to make, along with the fact we get no Pistol Accuracy at all in the Pistoleer tree. It's all general accuracy.
Giving us more pistol accuracy in our tree (and taking away some general) is not going to make the profession more accurate than the rifle or carbine profession, it'll keep us the exact same. Even adding 15 pistol accuracy on top of the general accuracy won't make us more accurate than either carbines or rifles.
Cookie-Eater wrote:
Kevie wrote:
1. that makes sense
2. no that's not the question... the question is, who is better off?
a rifleman using a pistol, or a pistoleer using a rifle?Riflemen are getting NERFed. Stop crying about it.
3. the only reason to switch to a rifle is for greater range, period. a rifleman has no real reason to use a pistol unless he or she is smart enough to know that rifles have horrible accuracy up close
but when they do switch, they're at a SERIOUS disadvantage. see 2.Tip: Burst Run toward target, Root, KD(If you can), Stun/Int, Disarm, /follow/Heal, "Insert your most powerful Attack here"
4. i thought you said you didn't mind being less accurate? pistoleers aren't damage dealers.We are less accurate, we cant deal as much dmg, We are faster and have Low SAC.
really arguing the same point i'm trying to make or generally flaming me for something i'm not even saying isn't exactly productive
Nifty wrote:
Kevie wrote:
1. that makes sense
2. no that's not the question... the question is, who is better off?
a rifleman using a pistol, or a pistoleer using a rifle?
3. the only reason to switch to a rifle is for greater range, period. a rifleman has no real reason to use a pistol unless he or she is smart enough to know that rifles have horrible accuracy up close
but when they do switch, they're at a SERIOUS disadvantage. see 2.
4. i thought you said you didn't mind being less accurate? pistoleers aren't damage dealers.
2. No, that IS the question. It's not a matter of who benefits from using the other weapon. It's a matter of a Master Pistoleer with Novice Rifles should be more accurate with a pistol than a Master Rifleman with Novice Pistoleer. I'm only concerned with use of a pistol. But to answer your question, obviously, the pistoleer using a rifle is a better option than a rifleman using a pistol. However, I'm nowhere near as accurate or fast with the rifle as the rifleman. That's fine with me. It's not fine when I'm less accurate with a pistol than the rifleman + novice pistoleer is with a pistol.
3. yes, I know range is the main reason. Yet again, let's take the case of Master Pistoleer and Novice Rifle. I don't have the speed to keep up with the extra weapon speed and I lose my defense, but now I have more rifle accuracy than I do pistol accuracy, from just one box. Again, this is what irritates me. (and leads into point 4.)
4. You are completely missing my point on accuracy. If we give general accuracy at novice, then so should rifles and carbines. That's the main point I'm trying to make, along with the fact we get no Pistol Accuracy at all in the Pistoleer tree. It's all general accuracy.
Giving us more pistol accuracy in our tree (and taking away some general) is not going to make the profession more accurate than the rifle or carbine profession, it'll keep us the exact same. Even adding 15 pistol accuracy on top of the general accuracy won't make us more accurate than either carbines or rifles.
you're still missing my point
we have more general accuracy so that if we need to switch to a rifle to pick off something at long range we don't lose as much overall accuracy/defense
if a rifleman changes to a pistol, they're screwed
if we were given less general mods, and more pistol-specific mods, we would be screwed more often than riflemen since they don't need to switch that often from a rifle
does that make sense? i don't want to switch to a rifle one day and watch my defenses and accuracy drop 100 points
at first i thought the same way you did... and worried we would still be a dabbled profession...
but guess what? professions are SUPPOSED to be dabbled in... currently a lot of pistoleers pick up combat medic, commando, smuggler, bounty hunter, carbineer, rifleman, squad leader...... you can only pick two and master one
once you get over the fact that dabblers have just as much right to dabble in pistoleer as we do in other professions, it's okay to let them
i'm happy with the way things are, and i reiterate my point that the question is "is a rifleman better with a pistol or is a pistoleer better with a rifle?"
we don't get more general accuracy than a rifleman does. we get the same amount.
we're just going to agree to disagree.