Pistoleer Archive
Thread: OMG PISTOLEER IS SO BROKEN
Inhocmark wrote:
I really only stated it so that people would stop trying to compare us to Bounty Hunters.
BH should be the jack of all trades, doing what they need to survive. They should be tough as nails and carry a good stick to take down the big targets that won't go quietly.
They should not be combatmonsters with a vicious End Game shot acheivable 1 Box in.
BH use their cunning and their guile to get their men. Traps, negotiation and various other means should be at their disposal.
Did Boba (Big time BH) Fett just go mano-a-mano with Han when he discovered the Falcon? Nope, he did the smart sensible thing and told the imperial army, got payment there and got the Solo bounty from Jabba.
Did Jango drop gloves with the Jedi when he came knocking? Nope, he tried to sneak away.
BH are not how they are portrayed in SWG now. ANd that's where the change should happen.
You know, that is actually the most valid point of all so far...
You've actually changed my mind a bit! You know, BH's should be more sneaky, but very able to handle themselves in a fight... but NOT as able as someone who has dedicated themselves to a profession, like the rifleman or the carbineer... It would be close, yes, but the odds should be favoured towards the X profession, not the BH. (although, BH's should be able to gain the upper hand though the sneakiness. :smileywink
Black'Neon Nex - Novice Bounty Hunter (and medic on the side)Hrm.
Do all bounty hunters just come here to whine about how hard they have to work and how it's not fair?
It's called stopping shot and fan shot, 1-hit kills. Is a 1-hit kill not owned hard as you put it?
Inhocmark wrote:
BH against any of the master combat classes toe to toe IN THE COMBAT MASTERS CHOSEN WEAPON, the Bounty Hunter SHOULD NOT WIN. Meaning you stand in the open and fire your pistol at a master pistoleer, he should OWN YOU HARD.
WookieWuv wrote:
It's called stopping shot and fan shot, 1-hit kills. Is a 1-hit kill not owned hard as you put it?
Inhocmark wrote:
BH against any of the master combat classes toe to toe IN THE COMBAT MASTERS CHOSEN WEAPON, the Bounty Hunter SHOULD NOT WIN. Meaning you stand in the open and fire your pistol at a master pistoleer, he should OWN YOU HARD.
I think you're a little behind the times there, considering you posted this after the PvP damage reduction.
I say we just ignore all of these stupid idiots from the BH profession coming over here and trying to get us nerfed. Meanwhile, you should go over and look at their boards. Looks like their person hasn't even sent in their problems yet. On top of that, have you seen what the biggest complaint's they have are?
They want Mission Bounty's increase payout by 5x to 10x (yea, like us making 3k in one hour with terminal missions, maybe we should ask for the same).
They want defense, meanwhile their over here telling us to shut-up because they don't get any, news for you, you do have some defense from your marksman line.
They also want their Class Specific Armor, and if possible a rocketpack, even if it's not functional (and you laugh at us about us wanting animation? at least animation is functional cosmetics.)
They want the LLC fixed. Ok, I can see that and they should have it fixed. Perhaps while their fixing it, they should also fix out DX2's.
About the only issue you guys really put out from the two pages I read was LLC being fixed. So don't come over here talking crap about us ok.
Like everyone else in commando, I mastered marksmand and unarmed early on and got novice commando. Then I realized how f'd up commando was. Not only that but the weapons were broke and even unavailable on my server. So I was a novice commando with nothing to do. So I picked up pistoleer and started the grind. Mainly picked up pistoleer because the launcher pistol gave pistol xp and because pistols were the better weapon when it came to close combat.
Weeks later they announced that the launcher pistol will be giving heavy weapon xp while still using pistol specials. So luckily I had already made the right choice. But commando weapons are still less powerful than alot of basic weapons. And we are forced to use the launcher pistol and pistol specials to be even half as effective as anyone.
So if you want to be an effective commando you need master marksman, unarmed spec, master pistoleer and master commando. This leaves you with 18 skill points to spend. So BH's dont feel like you have the ultimate grind.
And pistoleers please excuse me for posting commando stuff, but remember I am a pistoleer also and care about the issues with this profession also.
My take on all this is that an Elite class such as riffleman, carbineer and pistoleer should have the ability to master and use ALL such weapons their class was designed for. A hybrid class shouldn't be able to use a weapon that an elite class can't, that just doesn't make sense. Also I think commando should have ability to use ALL heavy weapons as well, since that is their forte'.
The issue of BH appearing better at using a pistol I believeis a result of the special moves of pistoleerbeing broken. The latest patch addressed several broken special moves in the pistoleer branches, we'll all see if this makes a differance. The addition and availability of more better weapons may also bump up the elite classes as well.
Other professions have other issues for sure. Commando is so messed up it's not even funny.
I'm not even calling bounty hunters jerks. Most of them want their profession balanced and fun to play. White Bounty Hunting targets, LLC issues that make the tree tough to go up are valid issues.
My problem is, every time I look around I have a bounty hunter telling me to stop crying or calling me a TARD. They're not adding anything to the debate.
As a player, I don't want my profession to be 'uber' I love the concept of strengths and weaknesses. I just would rather seem them applied logically. Why can't a master Pistoleer who has 3+ million Pistol XP not pick up a scatter pistol and use it when a Bounty Hunter who has far less PISTOL XP can? The simple solution to this is to change the certs and the XP. Don't call it a scatter pistol and don't give Pistol XP for it. Case closed.
Pistoleers brought up valid points using bounty hunters as an example but not calling for a Bounty Hunter fix. The point was addressed adding Pistoleer weapons in the future....not by nerfing Bounty Hunters.
So please, if you're here to cause problems, or attempt to start a flame war, head back to your own forums and do it there. If you want to discuss balance and other issues...stick around...Fresh prospecitve brings fresh ideas.
Caelrie wrote:
I think you're a little behind the times there, considering you posted this after the PvP damage reduction.
But the list was compiled before the PvP dmg reduction. Thanks.
1 on 1, special for special, Pistoleers will beat a BH using just pistols. Your specials do more damage, therefore even with 75% reduction, we would run out of HAM first. You win. Feel better now?
As far as people bringing up the other BH's bringing up minor issues, those are not going into the report. That is just people talking. What went into your sent report? Ohhh yeah, twirly guns and holsters. Sounds like you all are running out of things that are actually broken. Alot of people want PC bounties, and to be honest, I do to. But it is far from being a major issue, I just want the class to work first, then get on to adding the cool stuff the cool stuff like twirlies, holsters, jetpacks, etc.
Like he said, don't lump all the BH's wishes on the writings of a few.
I think you should shut up moron, you and your BH budy's coming over here to the wrong forum to complain to us about your problems. This post started because of a BH doing what I did right back to him, if you don't like it leave! If you have a problem with me come on down and make something of it or back off.
just cuz our profesion isnt completly friggin busted doesnt mean u can come cry on our forums
give it a rest for the love of god
we have this huge line of defensive bonus's that dont friggin work
but other than that everything is pretty gravy, why not talk about other improvments we can make to our profesion, since its not completly broken like a few things in bh, and tka and commandos?
go be constructive, start threads where they are needed, we didnt do this, so dont come in here crying at us
Bolanos - teh funnee!
Have to call people names to feel better about yourself? There's something to be said about that, but we won't go there.