Pistoleer Archive
Thread: Stacking Torso shot 3 times????
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bansacbay
Tue Jan 25, 2005 7:18 am
#27
It does not sound like Torso will stack....I will try it tonight anyway. But back to the possibility of switching weapons and firing Torso shot with three different weapons. The delay for switching weapons would hurt you more than the three Torso shots stacking would help....if that even works.
With my template....Mast Pistoleer, BH 0040, smuggler 0040....I would fare better attacking with Torso, Healthshot 1, healthshot2, spam Last Ditch. I could do more damage since I am speed capped than if I stuck the theoretical triple torso by switching weapons.
Zozam
RenKesson
Tue Jan 25, 2005 7:54 am
#28
Hey waddya know; I was wrong!
Guess it has to happen at least once eh? 
Seriously though, thanks for the great info Uthyr. And Digital, thanks for the "Official" response on the issue.
Consider this post a retraction of all my previous posts to the contrary. 
Uthyr
Tue Jan 25, 2005 9:18 am
#29
I agree with you completely. I have no interest in even testing stacking Torso Shot by switching weapons, because I'd rather be spending the equip delay time firing extra specials.
bansacbay wrote:
But back to the possibility of switching weapons and firing Torso shot with three different weapons. The delay for switching weapons would hurt you more than the three Torso shots stacking would help....if that even works.
With my template....Mast Pistoleer, BH 0040, smuggler 0040....I would fare better attacking with Torso, Healthshot 1, healthshot2, spam Last Ditch. I could do more damage since I am speed capped than if I stuck the theoretical triple torso by switching weapons.
I agree with that too. Although I don't have Last Ditch, I could get more damage by doing a Torso Shot, HealthShot1, HealthShot2, BleedingShot, and then spamming either Stopping Shot or HealthShot2 (or more TorsoShots). In fact, for medium-HAM mobs, I could get more damage by just sticking with a single special (either HealthShot2, TorsoShot, or StoppingShot), and not bothering with the other bleeds. After all this testing I'm not sure now that TorsoShot has any advantage over HealthShot2 for spamming purposes (they both put out the exact same damage for a speed-capped player), but I'd be willing to listen to discussion on that matter.
bansacbay wrote:
With my template....Mast Pistoleer, BH 0040, smuggler 0040....I would fare better attacking with Torso, Healthshot 1, healthshot2, spam Last Ditch. I could do more damage since I am speed capped than if I stuck the theoretical triple torso by switching weapons.
Uthyr
Tue Jan 25, 2005 9:23 am
#30
RenKesson wrote:
Hey waddya know; I was wrong!
Guess it has to happen at least once eh?
Seriously though, thanks for the great info Uthyr. And Digital, thanks for the "Official" response on the issue.
Consider this post a retraction of all my previous posts to the contrary.
Hehe, no problem at all, Ren. It wasn't just you that thought that Torso Shot stacks--I've seen it posted by other people too, so I decided to settle the issue once and for all. I'm sure you know that I wasn't trying to single you out.
I have great respect for anybody who is willing to retract a statement when they find out info to the contrary.
RenKesson
Tue Jan 25, 2005 9:28 am
#31
Uthyr wrote:
RenKesson wrote:
Hey waddya know; I was wrong!
Guess it has to happen at least once eh?
Seriously though, thanks for the great info Uthyr. And Digital, thanks for the "Official" response on the issue.
Consider this post a retraction of all my previous posts to the contrary.
Hehe, no problem at all, Ren. It wasn't just you that thought that Torso Shot stacks--I've seen it posted by other people too, so I decided to settle the issue once and for all. I'm sure you know that I wasn't trying to single you out.
I have great respect for anybody who is willing to retract a statement when they find out info to the contrary.
Thanks Uthyr. I knew you weren't singling me out. But I argued quite vocally (perhaps more vocally than others) that it did stack, so I felt it necessary to post this response. Thanks again for your hard work and number-crunching.
Uthyr
Tue Jan 25, 2005 9:49 am
#32
You're very welcome, Ren. Part of the reason why I like to undertake exercises like this is to introduce some variety and novel discussion into this forum (I too get tired of the same old "at what level can I use Pistol X" questions, although I'm happy to answer them if I can be of any help). It's fun for me to run the experiments too.
PercyBlackdragon
Tue Jan 25, 2005 11:07 am
#33
Just a thought about settling the BF issue. None of the above tests (from what I read) were performed on other players. It would be possible to track :
1. Ticks
2. BF per tick or per shot
3. Stacking with different weapons w/o the fear of getting hit yourself
Its basically a contolled experiment removing all varibles possible. There will be no resists to dmg types(no idea if this applies but never the less a variable), no movement, no accuracy problems, should be able to track all important information in a duel type setting and take all the time you needed.
Just a thought. I know the stacking issue has kinda been put to bed, but I'd still be interested in the BF issue.
Uthyr
Tue Jan 25, 2005 11:34 am
#34
I completely agree with you, Percy. It would be a much easier and better controlled experiment using another willing player as the target, and you'd get data that you couldn't possibly get from an NPC. It was such an impulsive decision of mine to run this experiment though that I didn't bother trying to seek out another player. I needed immediate gratification, and brackasets were everywhere.
I'll leave that experiment to others to try, since I've satisfactorily figured out what I wanted to know . I'm gratified to see how many tangential questions have been generated from the original intent of this experiment though (namely, to determine whether Torso Shot stacks). That's what science is all about, and it's pretty cool that you can do hard science in a role-playing game. I too am curious about the BF question, and I'll read anybody's results here with great interest.
djswift2k
Tue Jan 25, 2005 12:57 pm
#35
Bassnet13 wrote:
Hmmm.... while I can't refute the tests, maybe someone else can help explain this.
I was playing wimpy pistols the other day and decided to take out a super battle droid to prove to some guildies that a Pistoleer/BH/Smuggler could take one on without cloning. So I did everyones favorite trick: set them on fire and feign while they burn.
Using my 399 max damage Geo with a torso, torso, torso, feign macro, I was seeing ticks upwards of 1900-2100 while he burned.
Feel free to ask any questions that may clarify things.
i used to do that on my pistol bh smug altalt (my main is pistol/smug/ tkm) to kill dark jedi master npcs for loot. you certainly can get ticks upwards of 2k doing that., of course i dont own any pistols under 500 max damage either
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Uthyr
Wed Jan 26, 2005 10:16 pm
#36
Just a follow-up to this discussion, on a related matter...
I re-ran my experiments tonight using HealthShot 2 instead of Torso Shot... Similar to Torso Shot, HealthShot2's DoT ticks are based on the highest-damage HealthShot2 fired, no matter how many you fire. The ticks are always 20% of the highest-damage HealthShot2, with no incremental increases for each successivetick (unlike Torso Shot). I am presuming that all of the pistol DoT specials work this way (i.e., based on the highest-damage shot), although I haven't tested any others.
So Torso Shot, although having exactlythe same damage per second as HealthShot2 for a speed-capped pistoleer (not counting the fire), has a far better DoT, and is a better special to spam if you had to choose between the two. Since the bleed stacks with the fire though, the two specials work nicely together.
I also noted that it took 5 or 6 shots before I got a really high-damage HealthShot2 roll (and therefore a good tick), so all you people who have posted here that you have macros that just fire a single HealthShot2, HealthShot1, TorsoShot, etc (I was one of those people until I ran this experiment today) might want to consider adding several more of each shot in your macro, if your goal is to get the best possible bleeds. I've now got three each of HS2, HS1, TorsoShot, and Bleeding Shot (not in that order).It would be better toadd even more, but since I hunt unbuffed most of the time, I don't want to incap myself by firing too many at once!
Octavean
Thu Jan 27, 2005 12:03 am
#37
you can stack torsoshot 4 times to get a tick between 400 and 500 dmg
Uthyr
Thu Jan 27, 2005 12:43 am
#38
Okay, one more time here before I give up trying to explain this... Torso Shot does not stack. You can get a tick much higher than 400-500 from a single Torso Shot. If your tick increases as you spam Torso Shot, it is not because they are stacking... it is because you got a lucky roll and are overwriting a previous tick (and also because the tick increases incrementally all by itself).
You can get a tick much higher than 400-500 from a single Torso Shot. If your tick increases as you spam Torso Shot, it is not because they are stacking... it is because you got a lucky roll and are overwriting a previous tick (and also because the tick increases incrementally all by itself).
DigiDante
Thu Jan 27, 2005 12:06 pm
#39
Octavean wrote:you can stack torsoshot 4 times to get a tick between 400 and 500 dmg
Some people do not learn. Try reading for once before you post.
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