Pistoleer Archive
Thread: Wepps, your state of the profession report and it's answer's.
Aanarion wrote:
Ardus_Raines: ahahaha you are a moron. I have a pistoleer and a Bounty Hunter and the BH skills are by far better than fanshot and stopping shot, for pvp purposes. Eyeshot is an awsome attack, not for its damage but because it targets the mind pool and blinds. Torso shot is way better than any pistoleer targetted shot to the health pool and pistoleers are supposed to be the master at hitting the health pool. Torsoshot is like BS3 with fire. IMO stopping shot is a good shot but not nearly as effective as torso shot or eyeshot in pvp. And not even close to its big brother, last ditch.
No dude your the moron torso shot is good but stopshot is way better, you can two shot with it or even oneshot with a powerful krayt pistol.
When I had torsoshot and stopshot I used stopshot as it killed much quicker, the dot in pvp sux too compared to prenerf days it will do a max of 100 health wounds over the full duration which takes forever.
You are right about it being better than BS3 and I think it should be they pay so many skill pts and still does not really make it worth it which is why I'm dropping 2/4/4/4 BH and going for Master Pistoleer/Smuggler.
Eyeshot won't be worth crap when it gets moved to MBH and is healable and buffable to mind 7k+ if you don't know how to do this go read some other profession forums.
Fahd Krath Master Bounty Hunter/Master Jedi Stalker
SilentJay1284 wrote:
Listen idiot.
dude, you think you can post your point w/o the name calling? How about 'dont be an idiot' or 'your smoking crack' or something. These boards get heated enough without screaming direct name calling. Theres already dev discussion of locking the boards for a while because this is getting out of hand. To be honest I didnt even read your post after seeing the first line, you actually got everyone to do the exact opposite of what you intended.
If you guys (this means anyone who perpetuates constant nerfs) keep nerfing all the professions so that the only good one is to master 3 and 4 combat professions your going to end up with EQ on your hands. As it is I only have enough left over points to master 1 combat profession and I even have to scale cliffs like a tard to do that. If you go making rifleman/pistoleer/carbineer completely worthless its going to be the end of the crafters. You can only do it for the money for so long. I mean what canI buy now that I couldnt buy a long time ago with considerably less? Nothing. Do you think I run accross the galaxy to make 'a big sale'? Crafting is fun but if thats ALL im expected to do then I might as well quit now because theres nothing new left for me. You talk about destroy missions for creatures getting boring, what new items have i been able to craft since release? I enjoy being able to go on group hunts w/ my guild. I enjoy my customers who realize that to keep me in business they invite me on their group outings too. I am not an interactive NPC despite what you might think. MANY MANY weaponsmith on my server (YOUR server) feel this way. If you make it so that we cant even PVE mastering pistoleer or rifleman then its ONLY a matter of time before we quit. Havent you noticed that nearly all the first smiths have quit? Descartes now is taking up dancing as told to him by his holocron, Quinne Tesentual quit, Nakita quit way back, Esraf quit, Glock, Avec .. the list goes on and on. I didnt make master till week 4 of the game and I am probably the oldest remaining smith in the game on my server.
Stop screaming for every other profession to get a nerf and start screaming for better/working specials. Ive looked thru the BH tree, why does noone mention the flaming knockdown from a carbine? is it broken? that special looks AWESOME, ... set the victim on fire and give it a dizzy knockdown combo all in one special. Holy crap thats evil. If it doesnt work the way its described then THAT should be your focus.
Last peice of advice, keep your weaponsmiths/armorsmiths happy. If they all leave your going to have to beg the devs for NPC merchants selling system generated weapons just like what happened in EQ or run around loot farming like Diablo2. Let us get skills to feel like we are doing something than keeping your medic busy. Let the elite professions be good, just ask for your hybrids to get better.
/endrant
I can't understand what the point of this thread is.
Flaming Wepps for stating problems with BH and trying to fix them, last time i looked, has nothing to do with pistoleer.
Sometimes, we all just need to sit back and relize that this is just a game.
Some feedback from both sides of the fence.
Let me dispell some common misconception sabout the LLC first. It is not the insanely powerful end all weapon allot of non Bh/Commandos think it is. Granted, the high level specials do TONS of damage. But like commandos and their flamethrower, we have to get within melee range to use it. Which has a number of cause and effects. First in PvP, it makes the the LLC virtually useless unless, the person your fighting is dumb enough to come winto melee range, second, it's effectiviness can drastically be by the target wearing decent Comp armor. It is too slow, and inaccurate to rely on it's standard attack. So unless you get REALLY lucky, or your fighting someone REALLY dumb, the LLC is not a good choice for PvP. PvE is a different story though, as even the standard attack can be extremely deadly against NPCs and Mobs. Although a Pet is pretty much a requiremnet since getting into melee range of anything worth killing using an LLC without a tank is suicide.
Then we get to BH concerns about BH. The main concern for most hunters is the investigation tree, which is just downright horrid to have to deal with. At novice level, it's not so bad, as your marks will at least be on the same planet, and you can actually make a profit assuming your can take them out and you get more attackable marks than non attackable ones (for those that don't know, often times the Mark will appear white, and not be attackable). You pretty much need a pet if you want to kill the marks with any kind of consistency, or in a timely fashion, since they are all 10k+ HAM and most have all kinds of crazy restsances and attacks. You really start to run into problems when you start getting marks off world. Quite often, your mark shows up somewhere in the nether regions of Dathomir for example. So you'll be spending credits justto get there and clone. If your lucky you might actually make it out to your mark, and if you'r eeven luckier he's not siting in a pack of Rancors. Any way, The investigation line is horrendous.
Now I think every one can agree that something needs to be done about the BH investigation line. However now we enter into the Us VS Them...
For some reason (and honestly, I don't know why) BH's and Pistoleers seem at total odds. This I really don't understand, since both pistoleers and BH's really could benefit from eachother. I am both (Well a BH with some pistoleer dabbling). Granted, BH's do get pretty screwed when it comes to left over skill points, which wouldn't be an issue if the scout skills we have actually proved of some use in the BH profession (Traps for humanoids anyone?). But they don't really, except that we can climb mountains quickly. So we are very limited in what we can dabble in. But, make due with what ya got. Anyway, If you break it all down, there is no reason for pistoleers and BHs to be at eachother throat. I guess a big reson is that so many pistoleers dabble into the BH pistol line. Which I personally see no problem with, If I were a master pistoleer, I just might do the same, why not, it is pretty darn powerful after all.
The only real reason pistoleers are dabbling into smuggler or BH pistol lines is because od the specials they can get. Where as I dabble into the pistoller line for the defensive bonuses. So why can't we be helping eachother out? Seriously, eyeshot can be a great attack in PvP, and if youwant to PvP and are a BH, chances are it's your main attack. Why wouldn't another profession want it? If a pistoleer wants to spend the skill points and timeto make novice Bh and start goin gup the pistol tree, let them! they earned it, getting to BH isn't the easiest thing inthe world.
Now, I do have to argue though that BH's in general do need more defensive bonuses (and yes dodge can and does suck many a times, I hear ya out there). Especially considering that other combat profession are having there's increased so dramatically. I'm not saying give the BH's the same defenses, but offer up some, we are WAY to easy to hit for who and what we are supposed to be.
Now currently at this momment, I think saying BH's need a "tank driod" of their own, is really just being power hungry. However, if the changes to CH do go through, then considering the limited skill points a BH has to dabble with, getting enough skill points in CH to actually get and use a pet that would be of any use will be an act in futility. So if indeed I can use a Rock beetle at best, then something needs to be done so a BH can at least stand a chance against their marks. Whether that be a driod, or defensive mods, I don't know.
Anyway, to end, it really is pointless for the Bh and pistoleer comunities to be at eachothers throats. Seriously, think of the benefits for both professions if we tried to work together.
The BH coorospondent, and the pistoleer coorospondent both have great idea's for how to better their professions, but they need to stop bashing the other profession, and maybe work together, we will all benifit.
EEMAN wrote:
SilentJay1284 wrote:
Listen idiot.
dude, you think you can post your point w/o the name calling? How about 'dont be an idiot' or 'your smoking crack' or something. These boards get heated enough without screaming direct name calling. Theres already dev discussion of locking the boards for a while because this is getting out of hand. To be honest I didnt even read your post after seeing the first line, you actually got everyone to do the exact opposite of what you intended.If you guys (this means anyone who perpetuates constant nerfs) keep nerfing all the professions so that the only good one is to master 3 and 4 combat professions your going to end up with EQ on your hands. As it is I only have enough left over points to master 1 combat profession and I even have to scale cliffs like a tard to do that. If you go making rifleman/pistoleer/carbineer completely worthless its going to be the end of the crafters. You can only do it for the money for so long. I mean what can I buy now that I couldnt buy a long time ago with considerably less? Nothing. Do you think I run accross the galaxy to make 'a big sale'? Crafting is fun but if thats ALL im expected to do then I might as well quit now because theres nothing new left for me. You talk about destroy missions for creatures getting boring, what new items have i been able to craft since release? I enjoy being able to go on group hunts w/ my guild. I enjoy my customers who realize that to keep me in business they invite me on their group outings too. I am not an interactive NPC despite what you might think. MANY MANY weaponsmith on my server (YOUR server) feel this way. If you make it so that we cant even PVE mastering pistoleer or rifleman then its ONLY a matter of time before we quit. Havent you noticed that nearly all the first smiths have quit? Descartes now is taking up dancing as told to him by his holocron, Quinne Tesentual quit, Nakita quit way back, Esraf quit, Glock, Avec .. the list goes on and on. I didnt make master till week 4 of the game and I am probably the oldest remaining smith in the game on my server.
Stop screaming for every other profession to get a nerf and start screaming for better/working specials. Ive looked thru the BH tree, why does noone mention the flaming knockdown from a carbine? is it broken? that special looks AWESOME, ... set the victim on fire and give it a dizzy knockdown combo all in one special. Holy crap thats evil. If it doesnt work the way its described then THAT should be your focus.
Last peice of advice, keep your weaponsmiths/armorsmiths happy. If they all leave your going to have to beg the devs for NPC merchants selling system generated weapons just like what happened in EQ or run around loot farming like Diablo2. Let us get skills to feel like we are doing something than keeping your medic busy. Let the elite professions be good, just ask for your hybrids to get better.
/endrant
My mistake, allow me to correct that,
Listen idiots that whine about BH