Pistoleer Archive
Thread: The Rifleman Conspiracy
Bolanos said:
"I'm preatty sure the rifleman correspondent had our FWG5 nerfed. We all know that he was/is trying to get the republic blaster nerfed as well since Phil found out that the rifleman corr. was in PM with the dev's on getting it nerfed. If this guy is in PM getting the republicnerfed, I'm sure he had something to do with the FWG5. The dev's don't play this game to know what is balanced and what's not."
A dev listening to a correspondent?
Bolanos what the hell are you smoking because I need a hit o dat shizit.
-Master Rifleman
roymitchel1 wrote:
how is rifleman going to be faster they shoot at the cap at master anyways
A rifleman is faster because they shoot AT the cap. A Master pistoleer with a 1.0 speed pistol shoots his best special once every two seconds. A rifleman shoots his highest delay weapon (say 8 seconds?) shooting his best special once every one second. So master rifleman is faster then a master pistoleer. it's been proven and it's posted all over, including the rifleman boards.
I can't believe this thread is still going on. Comparing the ENDGAME power of Pistoleer and Rifleman is not even an issue.
Look. I've played a Rifleman and a Pistoleer. Here's how it worked for me...
Time togrind to Novice Rifleman... about three weeks.
Time togrind to Novice Pistoleer... about three DAYS.
Time to grind to 0/0/3/2 Pistoleer.... maybe two weeks
Time to grind to 2/0/0/0 Rifleman....SIX weeks.
See a pattern here?
The fact is Pistoleer is better up and UNTIL we hit Master, at which point Rifle surpasses us. Until that time, we shoot faster, take less damage (no 2.5x melee penalty), and can heal our offensive pools (a Pistoleer/medic is nearly unstoppable... a Rifleman/medic just depletes his single pool faster). Not to mention the climb to Master Pistoleer is a joke compared to the climb to Master Rifle.
Yes, a MASTER Rifleman outperforms a Master Pistoleer. But UNTIL that Rifleman hits master, a Pistoleer still owns them. The Rifleman climb is much, much harder than the Pistoleer climb and takes much, much longer. As such, I'm not surprised they have more end game power... when you can Master Pistoleer three times in the time it takes to Master Rifleman ONCE, they deserve it!
And all these cries about Rifleman having higher DPS are bupkis as well... sure, a Master Rifleman has a higher DPS than a Pistoleer. FOR 10 SECONDS. That's how long it takes a Rifleman firing every second to completely delete his Mind pool and become useless. Pistoller?Burn through H/A, stim, burn though H/A, stim, burn through H/A, stim... if you count the DPS of Master Rifleman and a Master Pistoleer over 30 seconds of fighting, the Master Pistoleer will completely outperform the Rifleman (because the Master Rifleman is gonna stop firing when he's down to 5 mind after 10 seconds of combat).
Let me make this clear. I've played Rifleman. I've played Pistoleer. I like Pistoleer a ton better because it's much easier to play and level and works great with medic, but I understand that a Master Rifleman will own me and I'm cool with that. I understand how both classes WORK, andthey work like this.
Pistoleer = easy to master, huge advantages at start.
Rifleman = hard to master, huge advantages at end.
That's balance, people, like it or not. If you want Master Rifleman power, take the time to grind to Master Rifleman. A profession (Pistoleer) that's three times as easy to Master should NOT be on par with a Master Rifleman (and again, Master Rifleman power is deceptive because it's over in one 10 second firing spree, wheras Master Pistoleers can fight as long as they have stims).
I love these arguments between rifle/pistol, they are entertaining. I haven't used a pistol in months, so I don't have much personal experience with them, but I group fairly often with a master pistoleer. I wish we would have dueled along our grinds up the trees, because I am guessing that he would have beaten me every step of the way until I hit master.
Anyway, I don't disagree that master pistoleer in and of itself is much weaker than master rifle, but what other profession can master rifle dabble in to get better with the rifle? There is none, unless you count master marksman for the +5 speed. Also, how does a master pistoleer fair against masters of other professions out of curiousity? like say a master pistoleer vs carbineer or TKM or Fencer, etc.
Once I hit master and my friend gets the smuggling dirty tricks line I'm guessing that our duels will be fairly close. Panic shot followed by last ditch every second can be pretty powerful. Thats one of the benefits pistoleers have, you have several other professions to compliment yours.
Rifleman get the same melee mods as pistoleers, according to another post on here. We have better ranged defense, you have better state defense, what's wrong with that?
As to the original post, I could care less about the republic blaster. My guildmate and friend uses it a lot now since the FWG5 nerf. I don't see any reason why it should be nerfed.
when a single rifleman can out gun 4 people that is way to much to be supported. master pistoleer, master rifleman, novice carbineer, and a novice smuggler all missed 40 shots in a row on ONE master rifleman. stop saying how gimped they are and look at the facts. rifleman are GODS on the battle field and there shouldnt be an argument bout that.
and to the guy that said time is a factor in how uber they are. your and idiot. btw i got master marksman way back when like 2 weeks after release after getting halfway through pistoleer. took me like 3 days to get master with my dl17 carbinesand 50-200 8.0 laser rifle. need to figure out how to use a rifle it seems dude. cause 3 weeks is how long it took me to get master tk from novice brawler. that is unarmed xp. and everyone that has trained to get to unarmed 4 and novice tk know it is one of the slowest grinds in the game i think slower than rifle.
We all know how pistoleers hate when people complain that pistoleers are overpowered because the person also happened to dabble in BH,commando, or smuggler. The case is the same for this guy. I'm guessing he had the Rifleman/TKA/Fencer combo that has tons of defenses. There's no way 4 people would miss 40 shots on just a master rifleman.
Udi_C wrote:
when a single rifleman can out gun 4 people that is way to much to be supported. master pistoleer, master rifleman, novice carbineer, and a novice smuggler all missed 40 shots in a row on ONE master rifleman. stop saying how gimped they are and look at the facts. rifleman are GODS on the battle field and there shouldnt be an argument bout that.
UWSkeletor wrote:
We all know how pistoleers hate when people complain that pistoleers are overpowered because the person also happened to dabble in BH,commando, or smuggler. The case is the same for this guy. I'm guessing he had the Rifleman/TKA/Fencer combo that has tons of defenses. There's no way 4 people would miss 40 shots on just a master rifleman.
Udi_C wrote:
when a single rifleman can out gun 4 people that is way to much to be supported. master pistoleer, master rifleman, novice carbineer, and a novice smuggler all missed 40 shots in a row on ONE master rifleman. stop saying how gimped they are and look at the facts. rifleman are GODS on the battle field and there shouldnt be an argument bout that.
its true ask aanarion he missed like 20 shots in a row. you shoulda seen the combat que. aanarion took a screenshot i was like **edit**.
and this is a elite profession. it shouldnt be so much better than a pistoleer or carbineer. im a doctor and have to feel it cause i cant do the whole bhcarbine/ carbineer thing.