Pistoleer Archive
Thread: People are losing the main idea
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WillburWright
Sat Oct 23, 2004 7:35 am
#14
Quenx wrote:
Your not understanding Oh hell we are.... Would a rifleman be as good as a Rifleman/TKM in a duel ? no cause of the defense's Would a fencer be as good with out TKM .. NO .. would Carbineer be as good without BH ! no !... so what pistoolers pistoleers need to use some more skills points and xp to achieve being very succesful. Ok so big deal .. Its not required.. pistooler can still be good without those skills its just a ADD ON You make me laugh. I will enjoy critiqueing you.... just like ne other profession. Do you see pikeman running around with just pikeman no ... do you see swordsman dueling with out dabblin in other professions for bonus's NO ! You see here, Swordsman (a complete profession)is SUPPLEMENTED by Fencer, TKA, ect.... Pistoleer is COMPLETED with BH/Smuggler.
Thats the game ... not just pistooler needs to dabble Walk in our shose for a kilometer or three before you say this.
Yes there are some things wrong with the skill i agree but there are also other professions that expierence problems as well. Pistooler is by FAR not the worst skill in the game. What about the poor CH"s who lost theyre job do to Composite armor // Buffs // Vechiles and who loved the profession but had to drop it because no one had a demand any more. What about the Bh's who had to complete 75 % more missions then they should have to get investigation xp because of the mission glitch's. theres alot worse things then not being able ot be the KING of pvp with pistols. I can sympathise with all of those other professions. WE don'twant to be PvP kings, we want to have a CHANCE!
be thankful we have wat we do have. I am thankful that we have a great communtiy in the Pistoleer forums.
People complain about the game all the time. Our complaints actually mean something. They mean that we need a priority fix. This isn't complaining because we can't be "uber"
THEN DONT PAY OR PLAY ! ... I am paying and plaing. I love Star Wars, andliving in a SW universe. I just want to be as effective ans any other combat proffession.
I would really like ot see 50 of these forum members who yell and rant all day get together and develop a game i would be the first one on the boards
SUX SUX SUX .. if u break the game down into little detail
It requires so much programming // glitching // triggering // coding .. it would cause most of the half minded fools who say they could do a better job have theyre HEAD EXPLODE.
The reason for more add-ons then fix's .. Simple alot of ppl have done most to do in the game... The % ... its a very large % .. so while 60 % of the game as expierenced most of wat to expierence .. 40 % has not...
If the devs dont conitune to add side quests///features//expansions and more people would get bored and drop the game.. And believe me ... THEY WOULD LOSE ALOT MORE MONEY FROM PPL GETTING BORED THEN PPL ON THE BORED TRYING TO START A MASS - ACC - CANCEL..
Yes i dont agree with some of the things they do.
Do i appreciate how hard they work to give us a world to play in and maintain it well enough for us to log into daily (most of the time) and have some fun. YES ! they work for our enjoyment .. im sure they arnt paid well enuff to listen to other people talk about how bad they suck. They could go get a normal job and not be half a pressured by the public and make prob just as much or MORE of the money. but they enjoy what they do because thats what theyre good at. SO WAT you cant be thrilled 100 % of the TIME . You find a massive online game that doesnt have its ups and downs. They have done a dam good job with this game. If you ask me they deserve a little bit more then most ppl give them.
NaKitNa
Sat Oct 23, 2004 8:13 am
#15
Strikke wrote:
So, what you are saying is that Pistoleer is good, as long as you are a Bounty Hunter and Smuggler, too?
Me? I think that just about sums up what is WRONG with Pistoleer.
/agree
mikek82
Sat Oct 23, 2004 8:29 am
#16
So what you are trying to say is that with masterpistoleer you shouldn't need the extra 158 skill points? I've been Master Pistoleer and Master Carbineer without BH skills andMBH without Pistoleer and Carbineer Skills. Pistoleer may not have the best (working)specials, but Master Pistoleer is way better stand alone than the other two mentioned. What Pistoleer lacks in offense they get in defense. Carbineer specials may work but they suck completely! You should be saying MBH shouldn't need Pistoleer or Carbineer to complete their skills.
WillburWright wrote:
Ummmm, we HAVE thought about it, for a long time. Our claims about Pistoleer being broken up the wazoo aren't baseless. Next time you think something is fine, step into their shoes. Take up Pistoleer, without BH, or Smuggler. We shouldn't have to use the rest of our skillpoints to be just as effective as another combat profession. Why should we pick up something else to be effective, when we should be fine ourselves.
Picking up another profession, Shuch as BH or Smuggler, should complement our skills, not complete them!
WillburWright
Sat Oct 23, 2004 8:40 am
#17
mikek82 wrote:
So what you are trying to say is that with masterpistoleer you shouldn't need the extra 158 skill points?Nope. I'm saying a Rifleman could complement his professions with some defenses from melee profs. Pistoleer could do that, too. Rifleman could still beat up up most of the time.I've been Master Pistoleer and Master Carbineer without BH skills andMBH without Pistoleer and Carbineer Skills. Pistoleer may not have the best (working)specials, but Master Pistoleer is way better stand alone than the other two mentioned. What Pistoleer lacks in offense they get in defense.Defense isn'tthat good when you have no offense.Carbineer specials may work but they suck completely! You should be saying MBH shouldn't need Pistoleer or Carbineer to complete their skills. MBH should not have to have Pistoleer to work correctly, and vice versa. Why should we pick up something else to be effective, when we should be fine ourselves?
WillburWright wrote:
Ummmm, we HAVE thought about it, for a long time. Our claims about Pistoleer being broken up the wazoo aren't baseless. Next time you think something is fine, step into their shoes. Take up Pistoleer, without BH, or Smuggler. We shouldn't have to use the rest of our skillpoints to be just as effective as another combat profession. Why should we pick up something else to be effective, when we should be fine ourselves.
Picking up another profession, Shuch as BH or Smuggler, should complement our skills, not complete them!
mikek82
Sat Oct 23, 2004 10:58 am
#18
WillburWright wrote:
I'm saying a Rifleman could complement his professions with some defenses from melee profs. Pistoleer could do that, too. Rifleman could still beat up up most of the time.Defense isn'tthat good when you have no offense. Offensewith no Defense suckswhen you are fighting more than one person. That is the main reson the DEV dropped the requiset for BH, so the BHs can get some more defense (most bhs went to the Pistoleer prof for that help) MBH should not have to have Pistoleer to work correctly, and vice versa. Why should we pick up something else to be effective, when we should be fine ourselves? That is why you have so many skill points left over tho? Do you think a Master Pistoleer should beat everyone they fight? What else are you going to use those skill points for?
No one profession by itself should be better than any other (hopefully the combat balance will make this ture). Dabbling into other proffessions is what makes you better. I know that pistoleer by itself isnt as good as some of the other professons, by themselves, but I know with my template I am better than most templates and I don't lose too often in PvP.
TheSillyOne
Sun Oct 24, 2004 12:06 am
#19
/rolleyes
I understand the point of your post here, buddy, but you are wrong. If pistoleer worked straight out of the box the way 2 or 3 other proffessions do (by out of the box I mean you can master it, get some regular old crafted weapons that do not cost your first born child, pick up some armor and you're ready to go) there would be more of us. If our defenses were what they should be, there would be more dabblers, if our state effects...oh nm we don't have any. If our dots were something other than laughable perhaps you might have an argument here but basically we are low damage with defenses that HAVE to be stacked to be effective and and offensive that is the same.
We're broken because back when everything was broken we were the least broken so they decided to break us further to "balance" things out.
so let me put it this way. If you can mix it with entertainer or crafting proffs and still expect to contribute to a group fight then you have a working class. I can tell you with 100% certainty that we are borked.
alligatorboogaloo
Mon Oct 25, 2004 12:42 am
#20
I'm a Master Entertainer/Master Musician/Master Pistoleer and by myself I can't PvP or do high end PvE. I have to use my Ent skills to help out a group and pick up the pieces or buff them before the group goes out. If i stand way back and spam fanshot while everyone else (PvP monkeys as the ents call them) goes and has an exhilarating time doing things I can sometimes survive a battle. I personally hate to buff just to do something. When I was a Master Fenceror a Master Pikeman I could pop some food and go kill most things without using buffs in PvE. As a Pistoleer I'm done for even with food and great guns which I have access to it all since my alt is a MChef/MWS.
I always come back to Pistoleer, I've mastered it 3 times now. Its a lot of fun so don't get me wrong but it needs some help for damage output. If we had the defenses of a Fencer it would work really well but, we don't. From MMus I get +7 ranged & melee defense and you know what? That non-combat skill box doubles my ranged defense, there is a problem here when my entertainment skill can double what combat skill offers for defense. I know a MFencer/MSmuggler and with a pistol in combat he does better than I do. sure he shoots slower but he gets hit half the times I do or less and that's just sad to me so we do NEED some help, but it can't happen right now since there are a lot of changes happening to the infrastructure to SWG, I know it'll come I just hope it doesn't come too late.
Keep Jammin and support Live Entertainment on your server,
Neeno 
Master Musician since Sept. 1, 2003 and now Western Certified!
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