Pistoleer Archive
Thread: YES pistoleers BH should be most uber
Aleshre wrote:
Thank god someone else gets it. BH's are a jack of all trades, ready for anything and hard to exploit. I'm tired of the "BH vs Pistol" arguments that are nothing more than people upset that they can't be the best combatant. The game is designed to be balanced. Once all the bugs are snuffed out, it will be, and it will boil down to how well you can utilize your specific set of tools.
For the love of god listen to this guy. He's got it, "it will boil down to how well you can utilize your specific set of tools." BH whine about not being able to kill things with their HAM costs high, Pistoleers whine about not being able to beat BH's...there are ways around such problems, just learn how to use your skills.
Master Bounty Hunter-to-be btw 
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Each class is different to its hard to make comparison.
BH: weapons we can switch out.
Carbine, well knockdown got nerfed, with the shouting of a lot of people. now a TKA can do about 1-3 knockdowns before running out of HAM. a Carbine can do about 5-6, a pistol can do baout 10-12.
LLC: everyone knows thats just crap.
Rifles: why would anyone do that?? as a BH?
Pistol: well thats leaves us with this tree. Mind and Torso shot are great, In a no knockdown duel. well the BH is going to win, Mind shot cant be beat of course.
Unless your like a 1100 HAm doctor, then he can go to Torso shot.
Remember this is a skll based game.
When you use more points to get to novice BH, you make yourself less divesified.
Some of my friends pistoleers can do this.
Master pistoleer, then master CH, then do 4/3/4/0 in Medic.
and all the trees needed under that.
a BH tier 4 Carbine/Pistol, cant master pistoleer/carbineer less risk losing medic skills. he could master CH, but then be left with 7 points.
You have to remember,
Yes the Pistoleer spends 3x the exp.
but BH spend 2x the points almost. and thats in one tree that has no use in combat. well besides burst running.
Exp can be gained, it only takes time and effort.
The amount of points your allowed cant change, even with the greatest time and effort, unless the devs changed it, which i seriously doubt.
I'd hate to do this again, but here goes the nit picking:
"but you have to remember, this is a skill based game, not class."
Your right, this is a skill based game, and you need skills in order to advance and win.
"Each class is different to its hard to make comparison."
I agree with you. It is hard but there are still some things you can compare which will not hurt either profession by doing so.
"BH: weapons we can switch out."
Yes, BH can switch their weapon for the purpose at hand. What some (I AM SAYING SOME, NOT ALL) BH don't understand is the simplest thing, your not an Elite with weapons. Your a master, but not an elite. You cannot go up to a pistoleer with a pistol and beat him in his own back yard. You cannot go up to a rifleman with a rifle and beat him in his own back yard. These (SOME) BH have to learn how to play a BH. If your up against a pistoleer, you use your rifle and pick him from far away since pistoleer's can no long hit anything from way away. If your up against a rifleman, then you use your pistol and run up and pick him from up close where he suffer's in accuracy.
"Carbine, well knockdown got nerfed, with the shouting of a lot of people. now a TKA can do about 1-3 knockdowns before running out of HAM. a Carbine can do about 5-6, a pistol can do baout 10-12."
Yes, Carbine was nocked hard, but lets evaluate this, and I'll say this off the start because I don't want to get that profession involved, TKA got screwed royaly, they should be equal with Pistoleer on this with 10-12. Anyway, as stated above, if your up against a pistoleer, you use carbine to knock him down, switch to rifle, pick him off. If he get's up, switch to carbine, knock him down, switch to rifle again and pick him off. If going after a rifleman and he's trying to gain some distance so he can hit you, use your carbine, knock him down, run up to him with a pistol at point blank range and pick him off. Do you see how SKILL'S work? Reason a Pistoleer can do it more, from what I can see. He went through hell with your knocking him down while hes trying to get up close to take you out, Are you aware that once he reaches you, he's probably already to low on HAM to even use a knockdown on you or he'll incap himself? It's skill's and strategy, something that BH should learn and get to love, think of it first before posting that.
"LLC: everyone knows thats just crap."
Welcome to the club, DX2, everyone know's the Scout Blaster is better. But even better yet, why are you telling me? We're not asking to be better then you with your LLC, we're asking to be better in our given profession, pistol's. Also, if your LLC doesn't work, I or my fellow pistoleer's didn't break it. You should send an E-mail to the DEV'S, post on the BH forum, and probably on the bugs section in the bottom of this forum.
"Rifles: why would anyone do that?? as a BH?"
Read my comment that is two up from here. If you are really asking this question then you have no place as a bounty hunter because you honestly do not understand the concept of a bounty hunter. A bounty hunter is made to ADAPT to the situation at hand and overcome by adapting. If you get an Elite class and put him in a possition where he sucks at, you'll win. Learn your class, learn other class's, then think before you post something like this because once all issues are fixed, you'll be saying rifle's are a godsend, I can take out any pistoleer now.
"Pistol: well thats leaves us with this tree. Mind and Torso shot are great, In a no knockdown duel. well the BH is going to win, Mind shot cant be beat of course."
You have all of these great special's, and we're not complaining. Hell, I'm happy for you. What we are complaining is that we should be more accurate and faster (personally I believe just more accurate) then a BH. If you look at the PISTOL EXPERIENCE, you'll see that we spend ALOT more pistol experience then you do and that is what counts. Skill points mean nothing because you can put them anywhere, it's the skill boxes and the experience required to master them is what counts. Being that we spend more, we should be better, and we're not, that's what we're complaining about. We are not asking for a nerf, all we are asking for is a bump in our speed/accuracy.
"Unless your like a 1100 HAm doctor, then he can go to Torso shot."
Actually, if your prey has any medic skills at all, your better of with eye shot since medical skills cannot heal mind pool. learn the class's again and you'll be a great BH.
"Remember this is a skll based game.
When you use more points to get to novice BH, you make yourself less divesified.
Some of my friends pistoleers can do this.
Master pistoleer, then master CH, then do 4/3/4/0 in Medic.
and all the trees needed under that."
*sigh* yes, this is a skill based game and you need skill's in order to advance, you gain those skill's through expereince. And to answer your comment about being more or less diversified, hmmm, I once saw a MBH go up against a pistoleer with a pet. Let me tell you that I wish I could remember his name, because that MBH knows his place, and knows his profession better then any other one I have seen. He used his trap on the pet (which I didn't think that was possible) and snared it, did what I believe is a torso shot, the pistoleer was frustrated and continued calling for the pet attack command and healed himself, the MBH then went on with eyeshot and attacked his mind pool once he saw the pistoleer has medical skills. So, are you to tell me that your scouting exp is worthless? Are you also telling me that a MBH is infirior to a Pistoleer/CH? If so, once again, you are in the wrong profession.
"a BH tier 4 Carbine/Pistol, cant master pistoleer/carbineer less risk losing medic skills. he could master CH, but then be left with 7 points.
You have to remember,
Yes the Pistoleer spends 3x the exp.
but BH spend 2x the points almost. and thats in one tree that has no use in combat. well besides burst running."
So don't master CH, master BH then get some medic skills to help you out. Yes, Pistoleer spends more EXPERIENCE, it's the experience that counts, it is what shows how much you know in that field. Skill points mean's nothing, just because you spend more skill point's doesn't make you better. Think of skill points as credits needed to pay a person to teach you a skill that your experience has given you the right to learn, whether it be accuracy/speed/specials/defense/WHATEVER. Skill points mean nothing on how good a person is with a weapon, it's the experience gained in that area that counts. And for the no use in combat tree, Read the story of the MBH please, again.
"Exp can be gained, it only takes time and effort.
The amount of points your allowed cant change, even with the greatest time and effort, unless the devs changed it, which i seriously doubt."
Your Right, Experience can be gained, and that experience gained shows you how good you are in that field. So someone spending 3X the experience you do in one skill should make them 3x better in that area then you do. I'm happy we agree on that. Your right, the skill points your allowed can't be changed but they can be allocated to another skill if you have the experience for it. Skill points are not time consuming or hard to gain in effort. They are given to you from the start, 250 points, it's the experience that is hard and time consuming to get.
I do not mean this in any bad way. I do not have my sight's based on you, you just happen to be the last person on the post so I clicked reply to you. This is not an attack. This is an information thread and I'm trying to fill you in on the empty spaces that you seem to not understand or the concepts that you haven't been able to master yet. Please read it, please try to understand it. And PLEASE, Try using it on the field, You'll see just how powerful you are when you learn to ADAPT to your opponent. We didn't nerf you, we didn't break your weapons or your class. If we are the closest thing to a working profession then you should have your correspondent get in tough with the Dev working on the BH issues to get you guys more in line with us. Once that is done, then we can tweak out the system. Let us finish up with our class, because we are broken as well, with specials that are not working properly or not working at all. Let us fix our problems as well, let's balance first, then tweak the system.
Hi, im an EX bounty hunter... and pistoleer now... the bounty hunters have the skills to decimate pistoleers, and the pistoleers have the skilsl to decimate the BHs... the only problem is, neither party really realizes it... as a BH, i could pretty much take everyone, cause they didnt know what to expect from me... whether it was a body shot, action shot, mind shot, bleed... whichever road i took, they wouldnt know... as a pistoleer, they know i hit the health mainly...
in a duel between a master pistoleer and a master BH, i take no bets... because its all to the minds of the two... if the BH runs after the pistoleer with an LLC as his weapon... hes gonna get killed... but if the bounty hunter fire knockdowns, then bleeds and runs, he has a much higher chance of winning... take out the ranged knockdowns, and replace them with a different skill, and almost every ranged combat class is balanced... but they apparently lack that insight
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You know what's really stupid? People who get master BH. Why? Cause they've wasted there time diversifying weapons in an RPG.
Do you know what would be a better idea? Getting BH pistol IV, and master pistoleer.
Anyone want to take a guess as to the most powerful class IG atm?
I should make a note hear. If you want to be a master BH for RP reasons, for style, for the glory, or for anything else? I Congratulate your effort, and applaud your skill. I do not however feel that this deserves some sort of innate ubarness: maxing out BH screws up your ability to pick up other weapon types. Since RPG combat is based on maxing out damage with one class of weapon (I've yet to see a game where the weapon that is logically appropriate for a situation is superior to the weapon a character has devoted the whole of his existance to useing), MBH is *not* the correct choice for an aspiring powergamer.
Ultimatly, I feel asking for love to MBH is en par with making pistoleers number one demand to have twirling pistol shots (double weilding like jango fet: no extra damage, just looks cool). It's wanting it all, style and power, in one pretty package.