Pistoleer Archive
Thread: Start saving screen shots of being hit by LLC's
vGeist wrote:
Wepps has started a nerf campaign, he wants BHs to save screen shots of being hit with high damage pistol shots so he can get other professions nerfed. This is for real. Next time you get one shotted, save it.
LMAO!!! Can't we just let the nerf wars stop? Nobody likes nerf-criers...doesn't matter who started it...you're still perpetuating the evil.
Stop the madness....just stop the madness!
guys the LAST thing you want is more attention being brought to the damage something does, once they pull out that nerf bat they go crazy. The whole basis behind nerfing the t-21 was because you had a CHANCE of doing 3000 points damage using specials on an unarmored person after the armor mods and special attack kick in. Ive seen flame throwers do 6000 pts damage to rifleman and LLC's do 8000 pts to rifleman due to the 2.5x penatly at melee distances. The whole reason they are nerfing the FWG5 is because of the insane damage people are bragging about getting krayt tissues up to. This is mostly brought on because 1 tissue in the history of the server dropped a +202 -2.02 tissue and a smith named I-Make used a exploit to make a few thousand fwg5, scatter, laser carbine etc with these powerhandlers. Out of all the 1 powerhandler weapons to get this nerf I would say the FWG5 is the least damaging since a lot of creatures have high heat resists, few have a lot of blast protection, and the scatter even has AP1 on it.
However, once the report comes in all over the place that they are overpowered, one look into the profession forum shows people bragging about how much damage their fwg5's are doing. This, in my opinion, is what sealed its fate. If the BH forum starts posting threads of boasts of 800 point scatter pistols you can bet those will get nerfed too.
You guys want to talk about high damaging weapons what about the CL150 AT-ST that do 1500pts of damage every shot? Without buffs I cant handle more than one shot from these. Im only glad a commando can cut through these like butter and BH's can eyeshot the owner to keep him on a mind incap. If they go nerfing those then I have no chance surviving against these pets w/ the help of my guild.
How is the Pistoleer powerful? I wish some can answer this question. Is it because of Stopping Shot? Fan Shot? What? Because it's popular? Does that automatically make it popular?
Go ahead Pistoleers, continue telling the Devs to nerf Bounty Hunter
Go ahead Bounty Hunters, continue telling the Devs to nerf the Pistoleer.
I guess I will never understand the conflicts between Pistoleers and BH, but I don't care anymore. All this nonsense is old and repitiitive. Keep up making this game less fun for the both of us.
My post isn't about who does the most damage, I don't care about that.
I'm pointing out thatanother correspondentis intentionally collecting data he can use to get other professions nerfed. He has his thread stickied up towards the top of their page.
I'm on a roll.
Eyeshot will never be useless. You just will always be a newbie to pvp. I'm not going to hint on how to bypass helmets.
Sigh, another BH crying because he can't spam his best special. Commandos suck 1 on 1. They will never reach you.(Unlike TKA's, with armor.. who can tank an INSANE ammount)A BH on the other hand, will dizzy/KD you, then bumrush you with his LLC. Getting to the enemy isn't a problem. PLAY YOUR **edit**ING CLASS RIGHT
Pistoleer powerfull? Is it our broken specials, or same speed as every other range class?Could it be our lack of AP2-3 weapons, lack of ranged KD, lack of targeted HAM pool specials that intrest you into pistoleer?
BH's are powerfull. They use their weapons better then the respective classes. LLC>FT (AP1 and ELECTRICAL damage). Scatter>DX2. Yet no one screams for a LLC/scatter nerf.Hell I don't see anyone asking for a BH nerf.Are you guys hallucinating nerf cries?
I want to see an ARMORED person get one shotted by a pistoleer.This is total BS. I just got a 511 damage launcher pistol (AP1 !!!!!!!!!!!!), and have yet to ONE shot someone with last ditch.I doubt I will 1 shot someone with SS.-DP
omg. this is like when a little kid is getting in trouble for doing something and so he tells on his friend. they both get in trouble then.....
if they listen to complaints from you and wepp, both classes will get nerfed. what good is that? is that what you are really after?
btw, i had llc 4 and i gave it up. it hits big, but only about every 3 shots. it is slow and a decent pistol will out damage it any day (hence why i dumped it and i am going with pistoleer / bh pistolnow).
feel free to go down this road, but trying to get multiple professions nerfed at once is only going to make the game less appealing to all. my wife likes this game because it is easy (compared to eq's slow grind). if the professions get nerfed, it will just turn this game into a slow, endless grind like eq. people are getting sick of slow endless grind games that take years to build up a decent char.
i would love to see you with stand a single blas from a llc or a flamethrower for that matter you say they suck at pvp well they make commando's and bounty hunter's the king of pvp but i dont think you would know i say your a dabbler trying to take the best of both world's pistoleer and bh haha how amusing
I can not survive one...The trick is to never be hit by one in the first place....
LLC/Flame throwers have a 16 meter special range, stay out of that range and most likley they will be hitting for 300 damage random pool every 2 seconds. That kind of damage output is pathetic.
- Stay away from them 16+ meters (sorry meelees)
- Keep yourself moving...Thier accuracy is +80 at best...The movment mods cancel alot of that out.
- Keep THEM moving....Run in a straight line, not circles, if they move they get an additional penalty.
Do those three things, and anyone with a heavy weapon out should be a cake walk.
Eyeshot will never be useless. You just will always be a newbie to pvp. I'm not going to hint on how to bypass helmets.
I dont use eye shot...Mostly I will KD you and use torso shot or crippling shot from my carbine. People rarley live to the point that they can get back up, and if they do they are to low to do much.
A BH on the other hand, will dizzy/KD you, then bumrush you with his LLC. Getting to the enemy isn't a problem. PLAY YOUR **edit**ING CLASS RIGHT
Taking the LLC out in a large PvP battle is a liability....One on one this tactic is somewhat viable, but it needs a certain set of conditions to be met...The first of which is fire KD does not always dizzy, and alot of the times that dizzy is resisted. (Especially by pistoleers+TKA's)
Pistoleer powerfull? Is it our broken specials, or same speed as every other range class?Could it be our lack of AP2-3 weapons, lack of ranged KD, lack of targeted HAM pool specials that intrest you into pistoleer?
Master pistoleer+Smuggler 0,0,4,0+TKA 0,3,0,4.....+medic skills....
I get a KD, a delay move, and a *6 damage shot, as well as the best state defenses in the game AND nice +ranged defense as well as +meelee defense.
And the absolute key to this template? master pistoleer....without the pistol mods this template would suck...Again the power is in the over all "cheapness" (in terms of skill point costs" and its ability to mesh well with a multitude of other classes.....
"I dont use eye shot...Mostly I will KD you and use torso shot or crippling shot from my carbine. People rarely live to the point that they can get back up, and if they do they are to low to do much."
Indeed KD+crippling can be more effective if you are not fighting a doctor.Alot of templates don't have room for medic.KD+crippling is better than eyeshot, if the person doesn't have medic... but I'm not sure how this is relevant.
"Taking the LLC out in a large PvP battle is a liability....One on one this tactic is somewhat viable, but it needs a certain set of conditions to be met...The first of which is fire KD does not always dizzy, and alot of the times that dizzy is resisted. (Especially by pistoleers+TKA's)"
"Master pistoleer+Smuggler 0,0,4,0+TKA 0,3,0,4.....+medic skills...."
"I get a KD, a delay move, and a *6 damage shot, as well as the best state defenses in the game AND nice +ranged defense as well as +meelee defense."
"And the absolute key to this template? master pistoleer....without the pistol mods this template would suck...Again the power is in the over all "cheapness" (in terms of skill point costs" and its ability to mesh well with a multitude of other classes....."
Most large scales PVP battles I've been to are close quarters, again I don't see how the LLC distance is an issue.Also, you guys shouldn't be using one weapon all times. If he has some distance, use your carbine/pistol till you get the chance of using your LLC.
Why shouldn't a MP/some TKA/some smuggler/some medical skill not beat a MBH?I might of failed math, but 250>233.He spent the 250 points right? By your (BH) flawed logic, the person with the most skill points invested should win.If you want to be an "ub34 l337 d00d", just come out and say it.
Not sure what the TKA mods have to do with pistoleer, but a riflemen/carbineer can pick them up as well.A carbineer doesn't need to pick up the smuggler line. He already has the ranged KD/dizzy.Combine that with the TKA mods...you got awhole lotta skill points left for medic since they didn't pick up smuggler.Would you like to nerf TKA's now?
The cheapness of the skill is what makes pistoleer powerful? Well since rifles/carbines cost just as much, and out damage us by a long shot, do you want them nerfed too?-DP
Indeed KD+crippling can be more effective if you are not fighting a doctor.Alot of templates don't have room for medic.KD+crippling is better than eyeshot, if the person doesn't have medic... but I'm not sure how this is relevant.
lol you called me a PvP newbie who spams one special....I am not, in fact I am willing to bet I could defeat you with relative ease.
Most large scales PVP battles I've been to are close quarters, again I don't see how the LLC distance is an issue.Also, you guys shouldn't be using one weapon all times. If he has some distance, use your carbine/pistol till you get the chance of using your LLC.
Where do you PvP? Most of our fighting is around bases...In close quaters combat the 2.5 meelee mod on the LLC makes it a liability in combat, especially in close quaters. I am not going to use a weapon that allows me to be one hit even in armor.
Why shouldn't a MP/some TKA/some smuggler/some medical skill not beat a MBH?I might of failed math, but 250>233.He spent the 250 points right? By your (BH) flawed logic, the person with the most skill points invested should win.If you want to be an "ub34 l337 d00d", just come out and say it
In all my posts I hold one thing to be true...If you spend the point in combat, you should be equally as powerful as somone who spends just as much, given that they combo thier skills wisley and not ignoratnly.
By my "BH" logic a pistoleer who spends 217 skill points should be just as strong as an MBH.....and btw...MBH is 217 not 233.....
I fail to see your point, in one breath you say my logic is flawed, in the next you agree with my points?
If you wish me to state it again...Yes, a pistoleer who buys other combat and combat support skills should be just as strong as an MBH (given that the MBH has already spent his 33 remaining points.)
And many times I have pointed out on the BH boards that certain requests would be far far to powerful for the bounty hunter to ask for.....
Not sure what the TKA mods have to do with pistoleer, but a riflemen/carbineer can pick them up as well.A carbineer doesn't need to pick up the smuggler line. He already has the ranged KD/dizzy.Combine that with the TKA mods...you got awhole lotta skill points left for medic since they didn't pick up smuggler.Would you like to nerf TKA's now?
Carbineer in the end has 2 state defense mods....In comparison, not only are the pistoleer mods higher, but they also get more of them. I brought up the TKA, because with them, and the new changes the Pistoleer has upwards of +60 to most state effect defenses. Yes the riflemen/Carbineers can grab tka, but even with TKA thier defenses will not stack up to a Pistoleer/TKA.
Do I think thats overpowered? No, I was merely pointing out one of the strengths and versatilities of a pistoleer.....
The cheapness of the skill is what makes pistoleer powerful? Well since rifles/carbines cost just as much, and out damage us by a long shot, do you want them nerfed too?-DP
Where on this whole thread did I ask for a nerf?
I defended the fw5, and I was explaining why these nerf wars should not be perpetuated....I only threatened that a nerf war would be bad for both sides. Because in the end both BH's and Pistoleers could come up with plenty of pictorial evidence of one shot kills (skewed as they would be)
However, never once did I ask for a nerf, never once did I say a nerf was justified.....And I would be saying the same thing on the carbineer/Riflemen boards if Giest had posted this there.
To be fair, Wepps is asking for screenshots where people are being one-shotted. We're just helping him out.
To be fair you should contain all the crap to that crappy thread.....
I tried to post on that thread on how not likley it was to be one shotted by a pistol...I do not like that thread, and I do not like this one...
Threads like these only server to hurt everyone in the end