Pistoleer Archive
Thread: Top 5 Pistol Specials in the Game
Tanks,
I love your responses. Whether you agree or disagree, you maintain both a mature and professional attitude in what is "just" a game. It is appreciated.
You mention Stopping Shot in your post. I'd just like to point out that with a 1.3spd FWG5 (fairly quick for a dmg sliced FWG5) Stopping Shot is a 2-second special for me. It may be much faster for you because you have better speed mods, and since you are (or should be) using a Scatter, it's a completely different comparison from what I am seeing as a "mere" Master Gunfighter. You will be doing more dmg per shot, and faster shots, which = greatly increased dps.
I think that may have turned into a ramble, but I hope it makes a little sense.
"Second, to the person who says you get eyeshotted for 20 damage when wearing a helmet, I offer you 100,000,000 (that's 100 million) credits for your 94% resist Helmet. Your post is a bigger lie than Wepps' post that I will refer to you here:"
I have both a Bh char that i just started and a pistoleer char that i havd played for a while. Tonight I did ALOT of pvp and got one shoted 3 timestwice by a rifleman once with carbineers cripling shot and got 2 shoted twice with pistoleers stoping shot. As a 0141 Bh my best kill was 3 shots using eyeshot or torso shot depending on if the person had a helmet on and how damged there mind was already. Now im not complaing one shots happen and some day ill get one but saying tht he is lieing is alittle over the top bud. now i got to ge back to grinding so i can be one of those dang bh/pistoleer that everyone hates insted of just my old pistoleer/weaponsmith that does ok in pvp as well
Ciirybeccaskyr wrote:
"Second, to the person who says you get eyeshotted for 20 damage when wearing a helmet, I offer you 100,000,000 (that's 100 million) credits for your 94% resist Helmet. Your post is a bigger lie than Wepps' post that I will refer to you here:"
I have both a Bh char that i just started and a pistoleer char that i havd played for a while. Tonight I did ALOT of pvp and got one shoted 3 timestwice by a rifleman once with carbineers cripling shot and got 2 shoted twice with pistoleers stoping shot. As a 0141 Bh my best kill was 3 shots using eyeshot or torso shot depending on if the person had a helmet on and how damged there mind was already. Now im not complaing one shots happen and some day ill get one but saying tht he is lieing is alittle over the top bud. now i got to ge back to grinding so i can be one of those dang bh/pistoleer that everyone hates insted of just my old pistoleer/weaponsmith that does ok in pvp as well
I don't hate BH/Pistoleer, I think our own correspondent is one. I do despise misinformation and lies being spread to keep Pistoleers weak, and those liesthatmake people who die from Eyeshot appear ignorant in regards to PvP strategy. If it was as simple as throwing on a helmet, trust me there would be no fuss. The only class that has 1-shot me since the pvp dmg reduction is Commando, and that was with zero armor. It hasn't happened since. Not from Pistoleers, not from BHs, not from Carbineers or Riflemen... if you are getting one-shot by them then perhaps you should look into your own armor and strategies.
The only time I've ever had stopping shot incap in 2 shots (keep in mind thats a 2 second shot for pure pistoleers) is after I've already Pistol Whipped the target, and they weren't buffed or wearing any armor. How often do you see people with both no armor or buffs these days? It's pretty rare, and it's also rare that I would even incap them that quickly under those circumstances.. but it has happened. And I'm usingvery high dmg FWG5s that are about to get nerfed.
Also, no part of your argument presents a different side to the "Wepps fib" - he said he only does 30-40 dmg using Eyeshot against somebody wearing a "good composite helm." That is as far from the truth as one can get. He presented false information, misinformation, whatever you want to call it... if you are offended with the term "lie" - it was untrue. Somebody who spreads incorrect information for their own benefit is not a truthful person. How's that?
Izdefiler said:
"You mention Stopping Shot in your post. I'd just like to point out that with a 1.3spd FWG5 (fairly quick for a dmg sliced FWG5) Stopping Shot is a 2-second special for me. It may be much faster for you because you have better speed mods, and since you are (or should be) using a Scatter, it's a completely different comparison from what I am seeing as a "mere" Master Gunfighter. You will be doing more dmg per shot, and faster shots, which = greatly increased dps. "
You are probably right, I get the BH speed bonuses, Master Marksman bonus and novice pistoleer bonuses to be able to shoot Stopping shot once a second. Your correspondant has the same as he is a Master P/Expert BH.
This actually kinda proves my point on the skill point versus experience discussion. I am a combat char with advantages from various lines. As a result I gave up the ability to buff myself at will (instead of 6K a pop whenever I can find a doctor), full heals at will instead of Stim-Bs, creatures to tank for me etc., etc. I would rather have my skill points cost half and experience requirement be ten fold, and I think most would agree with me there (well maybe not investigation - 2500+ game hours would be a pain 
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Any one of the other professions can do the same, go for combat templates, or have a more rounded character. And a master BH is NOT an uber combat template. Look at the post titled "a 230+ pnt Pistol Master". That person CHOSE to go combat route, and his 230+ skill points would be much more successful then my 250 points in PvE and PvP, and rightly so as he is not handicapped with my skill point sinks in scout.
Now, I am not saying that Pistoleer should not be fixed at all. My point is that because of the skill point investments we should have the offensive capability (and do)and it is not fair to compare a more or less a complete template with an incomplete one. That is what a lot of people are missing in this discussion. Once I hit master, I am at the end of my journey. Yours after you master Pistoleer is just gathering steam.
You neglected to mention that LowBlow and PanicShot are on 30 sec timers.
And, LastDitch has a 5x dmg modifier (not 6x)and hits random HAM.
Believe it or not, I find spamming BodyShot2 to be more advantageous over time than LastDitch.
the effects that they give are on 30 second timers.. You can lowblow 5 people in 10 seconds..
And last ditch is 6x
Izdefiler said:
"Also, no part of your argument presents a different side to the "Wepps fib" - he said he only does 30-40 dmg using Eyeshot against somebody wearing a "good composite helm." That is as far from the truth as one can get. He presented false information"
Let's consider a few things here, and I'll give the benifit of doubt to Wepps as he USED to be my correpondent. Krayt scatters with great slices are fairly new and rare. However, it is very much within the realm of possibility to have effectiveness sliced composite helms that approach 80% protection. Now, with a non Krayt scatter I can see doing 200 max damage in PvP (that's what I was doing until recently). So, if he is going by his own experience instead of what is available in the top tiers of PvP thenhis statement holds true.
Now, would I have made this statement, no. My approach would have been that a) people are having buffs (entertainer, muon gold etc.), b) Advanced composite is common now. c) Mind heals are coming, d) Eye shot is the only shot until you get to Pistol 4 in BH that does decent damage. e) We gotta have some sort of attack in PvP .
Points a,b, and c minimize the need for moving eye shot to master. Points d is so we can hunt our marks and advance in profession and point e is so we'll have something to compete against Pistoleer/Docs that can buff themselves to 2K+ and heal in one shot with high end stims.
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, Elzaa. Like i said, LowBlow and PanicShot are on 30 sec timers. Why would you shoot those shots if you werent getting the effects? I CAN shoot LowBlow 5 times in 10 seconds but only knock down one target in 30 seconds. If you're not knocking your target down then there are much better alternative shots that do more dmg.
Where did you get 6x for LastDitch? Every source I've seen says 5x.
Wait, my mistake about LastDitch. It is 6x.
The 30 sec timer argument still applies.
VooDoo27 said:
" I CAN shoot LowBlow 5 times in 10 seconds but only knock down one target in 30 seconds. If you're not knocking your target down then there are much better alternative shots that do more dmg. "
Unless it has been changed ,KD attacks' 30 sec timer applies to the individual target. When my pals and I used to go to the battlefield my job was to KD the troopers. I'd KD, switch targets and KD, so forth and so on.
I don't think the Smuggler KD shot works any differently, unless KD mechanics have changed recently. Probably time for new tests, or to ask this question on the smuggler forum.
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Points d is so we can hunt our marks and advance in profession
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I've heard this comment before. Marks are hard to kill, so BH's need more power to take them down! What people don't realize is that this extra power WILL be used on regular destroy missions, PvE and PvP! When I say more power, I'm not only talking about damage! Wepps wants more defense modifier using the same "marks are one-shoting us" excuse!
So, marks are hard to kill? Well, adjust their difficulty! Only BHs have access to this missions, so it's pretty easy to balance it, without unbalancing the rest of the game!
double standard.
The pistoleer profession recieved huge nerfs due to others crying ...
Smugglers get ZERO pistol skill mods in speed or accuracy.
an entire skill line based on factions ... another with spices that few people will use due to incapping downers and stat bugs.
That leaves us with dirty fighting and slicing.
Pistoleer is a utility class, just accept it. I did. Im a smuggler, pistoleer
You can master pistoleer and smuggler with 250 points. You can master pistoleer and expert BH.
How you choose to spend your 250 is up to you. Dont cause flames examining others skill trees to suit your needs.
Turn your efforts to getting pistoleer fixed and not at getting smuggler nerfed.