Pistoleer Archive
Thread: HOW TO FIX PISTOLEER!!! With reworked skill tree!!!
DaLoco1 wrote:
AP is bugged in PVP. Test it out yourself.
TenshiHanaKinu wrote:
DaLoco1 wrote:
God, you don't know anything.
Well... looks like everyone here has some fallacies....
You dont NEED +100 speed. 85 will work fine. Pick up master marksman and you have nearly the exact same speed thata BH has, +78. Another thing... there are pistols that can be made that hit JUST as hard as a jawa ion rifle.
At the same power, a Jawa will hit harder than a Geo. Damage is automatically reduced 50% for a Geo weapon by armor that has Stun protection because a Geo Pistol is AP0, while a Jawa is AP1. I can severely curb the damage of a Geo pistol with a Stun Helmet and PSG. This is not "as" true for Jawas.
Ive seen the 350 max damage geo pistols, and I know that an eyeshot from one of those is just as good as headshot 3 with a rifle.
AP0 vs. AP1.
Also.. rifles cannot dabble in anything to make them stronger. But, on the other hand, pistols can, and can get their mods to much better than rifles have.
Which means you are saying that everyone's Skill points are not equal. Why should one profession be incredibly more powerful than another just because that other profession has ANOTHER profession that has some of the same weapons and skill trees?
Pistols have a skill that sets fire, better defense, a headshot thats just as good as headshot is, and a ranged KD and delay attack.
"Pistols" is generalizing. It is not the fault of a Pistoleer that BH and Smuggler also use pistols. We should not be punished for that.
Simply put, with the right gear a pistoleer can excel in PVP. If you don't believe that then quit the game or stop whining.
No.. what you have describes is : "By spending more skill points than a Rifleman, you can come close to being as effective in PvP as a Rifleman." So, would you spend $25 for a bland pair of shoes while someone else buys that same pair of shoes for $10?
Well I see someone understands the point I was getting at. Thanks for the back up Tenshi
As for Daloco1, I think I understand more than you about the pistoleer profession. First off reread my post. Notice I state that a pistoleer (not considering any other profession) needs +23 speed bonus to cap with ANY of the pistoleer's pistols. I am fully aware that I can stack BH/MM (BTW a Mpistoleer/MMhas a +79 speed mod) onto my template and easily cap my speed and accuracy mods and be effective with pistols in PvP. For me I find that I would rather be a TKM, thats my choice, but I digress. That is not the point of my post. My post was to compare the differences one for one skill point expenditure between pistoleer and rifleman. Do this and I'm sure you'll agree that the pistoleer comes up with the short end of the stick. Even a Mpistoleer/Desperato/Rogue comes up short because the rifleman you are facing more than likely has stacked a melee profession, Combat Medic or Doc in to their template.
Novock wrote:
Don't know what server you play onDaloco1 on but a 350 max dmg Geo on Corabantis will run you around 3 mil
On my server I have sliced plenty of off the shelf Jawa's (average selling price 20K) for over 300 max damage (31% damage slice or better). I resell them for 90K. There are Krayt Jawa running around with nearly 500 max damage. My own personal non krayt Geo is sliced to 294 max damage with a 34% damage slice, cost 1.5 million.
I personaly feel no stun weapon should be AP1. The Jawa rifle was used to disable droids with electricy (aka Ionized particles).
Wild__Bill wrote:
TenshiHanaKinu wrote:
DaLoco1 wrote:
God, you don't know anything.
Well... looks like everyone here has some fallacies....
You dont NEED +100 speed. 85 will work fine. Pick up master marksman and you have nearly the exact same speed thata BH has, +78. Another thing... there are pistols that can be made that hit JUST as hard as a jawa ion rifle.
At the same power, a Jawa will hit harder than a Geo. Damage is automatically reduced 50% for a Geo weapon by armor that has Stun protection because a Geo Pistol is AP0, while a Jawa is AP1. I can severely curb the damage of a Geo pistol with a Stun Helmet and PSG. This is not "as" true for Jawas.
Ive seen the 350 max damage geo pistols, and I know that an eyeshot from one of those is just as good as headshot 3 with a rifle.
AP0 vs. AP1.
Also.. rifles cannot dabble in anything to make them stronger. But, on the other hand, pistols can, and can get their mods to much better than rifles have.
Which means you are saying that everyone's Skill points are not equal. Why should one profession be incredibly more powerful than another just because that other profession has ANOTHER profession that has some of the same weapons and skill trees?
Pistols have a skill that sets fire, better defense, a headshot thats just as good as headshot is, and a ranged KD and delay attack.
"Pistols" is generalizing. It is not the fault of a Pistoleer that BH and Smuggler also use pistols. We should not be punished for that.
Simply put, with the right gear a pistoleer can excel in PVP. If you don't believe that then quit the game or stop whining.
No.. what you have describes is : "By spending more skill points than a Rifleman, you can come close to being as effective in PvP as a Rifleman." So, would you spend $25 for a bland pair of shoes while someone else buys that same pair of shoes for $10?
Well I see someone understands the point I was getting at. Thanks for the back up Tenshi
As for Daloco1, I think I understand more than you about the pistoleer profession. First off reread my post. Notice I state that a pistoleer (not considering any other profession) needs +23 speed bonus to cap with ANY of the pistoleer's pistols. I am fully aware that I can stack BH/MM (BTW a Mpistoleer/MMhas a +79 speed mod) onto my template and easily cap my speed and accuracy mods and be effective with pistols in PvP. For me I find that I would rather be a TKM, thats my choice, but I digress. That is not the point of my post. My post was to compare the differences one for one skill point expenditure between pistoleer and rifleman. Do this and I'm sure you'll agree that the pistoleer comes up with the short end of the stick. Even a Mpistoleer/Desperato/Rogue comes up short because the rifleman you are facing more than likely has stacked a melee profession, Combat Medic or Doc in to their template.
lmao, what ur asking for is +140 speed... lol... and basically you want pistols to be the best. Thats not how it works. By the way, to the guy who compared stopping shot to headshot... stopping shot has a 4.0 delay mod. Head shot doesn't. So, why don't you compare strafe shot to stopping shot.. you will find that a rifleman has to get master marksman or get speed tapes, same as apistoleer does.Jawa ion rifles that are damage sliced do NOT have 5.0 speed... try 5.8.. so your info is wrong to begin with.
If you gave pistols those accuracy mods.. what you would get would be BH/pistoleer stackers with ungodly accuracy, and then YOU would be the one crying for a nerf.
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Novock wrote:
Oh by the way give me the stats of the rifle you would like me to compare DPS with on the straff shot I'll be gald to post the results.
Which is why a Rifleman can waste a horde Stormtrooper before I can even attack, whereas it takes me 10 - 20 seconds to kill one, with my best weapon.