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Thread: Tuesday Tip and the ongoing Jedi/BH war

BadgerSmaker
Wed May 25, 2005 7:04 am
#14









From that thread:


your wrong quickdraw then root and theres no timer at all. You do nothing more then promote griefing. Good Job on the CU it did nothing in terms of balance





Might have to check that when I get home.



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Marven_Darkfly
Wed May 25, 2005 10:37 am
#15

I think giving a cooldown for being effected again by root or going the way of other games who i won't mention and make is a lessened reward so 1st root is 100% effective 2ndroot is 50-75% as effective in duration and chance to hit third root is 25-50% as effective






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dola-brun
Wed May 25, 2005 12:22 pm
#16


It's about time we had real posses going after these Renegade Jedi! It's also time that the Jedi's friends can help protect the Jedi from the posse. Just think how much fun it would be for a group of 8 master Bounty Hunters to go after a Jedi and end up finding a group of 8 Jedi. Completely against the Star Wars timeline (but the Jedi already@#(*@# are against it!), but it'd be total fun for both sides.




uhhh, this was already done before and turned into a jedi gank squad for a solo bh or vice versa. the stopping shot issue should be resolved with a timer plain and simple not a nerf. as a mpistoleer bh pre cu and now, i have always waited for this special to actually work as described. the jedi are crying about it mostly and you know what happens when they do that....starts with a N and ends with an ERF. personally i feel there are other things that should be looked into like insane heals on the jedi side.


i will take a timer for stopping shot to be effective again if jedi will take a longer timer on heals.


i would also like to know if anyyone is affected by the kd bug? i get kd'd in pvp and my kd recovery goes black. sometimes it takes me about 3-4 minutes to stand up.




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alphawolf100
Wed May 25, 2005 2:15 pm
#17

Why oh why does everyone assume that jedi is the only proff that suffers fromt his. there are other melee proffs out there. would you guys be pissed if the Swordsmen rallied because they were being chain rooted? NO. You are all pretty smart people guess why Jedi are rallying. because they don't decide when they PvP, like the other melee proffs. So don't go putting the blame on Jedi getting the sepcial nerfed.

The Fact is it wasn't thought out. how much fun would a pistoleer have if 5 riflemen who picked up pistoleer stood at 64m and chain rooted you to death and you couldn't get 1 shot off? it's the same thing



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BadgerSmaker
Wed May 25, 2005 2:25 pm
#18

5v1 I'd expect to die root or not.



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alphawolf100
Wed May 25, 2005 2:47 pm
#19

But i'm sure you'd like to at least get a shot off.



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CaixCatab
Wed May 25, 2005 9:43 pm
#20






BadgerSmaker wrote:
I stuck drain on Tommy' and he just forceran right through it so I dont think they are too worried about movement speed debuffs. It's the Roots that make the jedi cry.





Yeah, but forceruns buggered and giving way too high speeds (otherwise, the lad I messed with would have been hit by another root, I'd have switched to my 60m gun,eaten parwan and *then* he could've tried to run....) until they patch later today, and if you activate any forcerun other than 1 you get a damage reduction of 95%(?).


... they're not crying *yet* So glad I went with one branch of CM rather than two in rifleman...






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SharkBoy007
Thu May 26, 2005 2:40 am
#21






alphawolf100 wrote:
Why oh why does everyone assume that jedi is the only proff that suffers fromt his. there are other melee proffs out there. would you guys be pissed if the Swordsmen rallied because they were being chain rooted? NO. You are all pretty smart people guess why Jedi are rallying. because they don't decide when they PvP, like the other melee proffs. So don't go putting the blame on Jedi getting the sepcial nerfed.

The Fact is it wasn't thought out. how much fun would a pistoleer have if 5 riflemen who picked up pistoleer stood at 64m and chain rooted you to death and you couldn't get 1 shot off? it's the same thing





But those profs aren't whining about it (so far as I know). "Jedi" want all the benefits, and none of the penalties, they want an "I Win" button. And like one poster said, 5v1 I'd expect to die, whether I got a shot off or not. And it's not like we weren't warned that Jedi would be a "hard" profession. So if you choose to go Jedi, then you KNOW it's going to be hard, so S T F U and move on already, and quit getting other professions nerfed in your quest for the "god mode".



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Giftmacher
Thu May 26, 2005 4:40 am
#22

Well it's a sorry situation to see our profession's skills being kicked about this way. There is a simple fix of course, apply the timer to the target and not to our skill. In fact take the timer off of the skill use altogether (or drop the timer drastically) and apply it to whatever you shoot. That way we can more effectively act as the crowd control profession we are meant to be, as in a full skirmish we can take mutiple mobs out of the fight temporarily, rather than just the one. Stacking would then be officially over, stopping shot would still be useful, and actually act as it was intended to, all this fuss has arisen simply because the timer has been implemented at the wrong end of combat.


What I don't want to see is a break on damage like paralyse, as that will completely change the intended effect of the skill and will just turn us into a poor shadow of combat profs like CM and smuggler.


Gift.
Isader
Thu May 26, 2005 5:15 am
#23

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Now it may be unfair to chain root someone but so is having a clas sthat is 5-10x stonger then any other paying customer.

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You have the ability to open your jedi if you wish. It is not limited to a certain number of people so this arguement is weak at best.





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Nifty
Thu May 26, 2005 6:52 am
#24






alphawolf100 wrote:
Why oh why does everyone assume that jedi is the only proff that suffers fromt his. there are other melee proffs out there. would you guys be pissed if the Swordsmen rallied because they were being chain rooted? NO. You are all pretty smart people guess why Jedi are rallying. because they don't decide when they PvP, like the other melee proffs. So don't go putting the blame on Jedi getting the sepcial nerfed.

The Fact is it wasn't thought out. how much fun would a pistoleer have if 5 riflemen who picked up pistoleer stood at 64m and chain rooted you to death and you couldn't get 1 shot off? it's the same thing





Ok, let's do this piece by piece.


1. All professions can be rooted. Rifles are the only profession that honestly not care if they are rooted or not (unless it's a melee guy that did the rooting, then the rifleman might care.) Yes, I'd be upset if ANY profession came in here and tried to get one of my specials nerfed. Especially a special that is extremely important to me in solo PvE combat. Chain rooting is NOT the real issue. The real issue are the Jedi are again complaining that they can't have help. That's the basis of the issue. If a swordsman gets chain rooted, his/her friends can at least help out. A Jedi getting chain rooted cannot have friends help out.


2. Jedi sure enough can decide when they are PvP enabled or disabled. They only have to stay off the BH terminals. It's 100% possible to solo play a Jedi. It's just very slow. It's supposed to be. It's called risk vs reward. You want the reward of faster XP gains in a group with a Jedi, then you arePvP enabled, and risk getting a /deathblow from a bounty hunter. Why the vast majority of whiningJedi players cannot see this is beyond me. There are a few who get the concept, and I applaud and respect those players. The rest... they just want a glow stick with none of the consequences. To me, that's the difference between Jedi in this game and glow stick wielders.All glow stick wielders know what they are getting into, it's just that 95% of them whine about it.


3. If I get chain rooted by 5 riflemen, my only question is... why are they wasting their time chain rooting me? If one roots me, and then the other 4 Adv Sniper shot me, I'm dead before I can even hit myself with a Stim D. If it's just me vs 2 or more CL 80 players, I expect to die, and I don't expect to take one of them out. 1 v 1 CL 80 should be an even fight, and I may or may not win. More than that, I should lose, and not expect to incap anyone.




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Obi_Bohotri_Chilstra
Thu May 26, 2005 10:45 am
#25

The real issue is that the Jedi are lying, pure and simple. There was never5 MBH or 4 or 3 chain rooting him. He got rooted once and hated it because him 15 seconds longer to kill the guy hunting him. How do I know ?


How can 3,4,5 BH get the same EXACT mission in less than 9 hours of hitting refresh over and over , grouped together, and all be MBH/MP's ? It can't happen. The BH terms or bugged, and have been forever.


This scenario they claimed happened, actually never did happen, and if 5 MBH/MP's got together and sat a terminal for 9 hlours hitting refresh to get the same mission, then suprised this Jedi and chain rooted him SHOULD kill him. Which I don't think any can kill the correct tenmplate Jedi, since there is a few seconds between when root effects go away and the next applies, they can force cloak/and use their bugged but not being correct force run to get away/drop a house and enter with a TEF etc.


But, 1 Jedi came up with this lie, and now the Dev's jumped immediatley (read that thread its amazing, 1 Jedi complaied, and TH jumps!) and now pistoleers are being nerfed.





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alphawolf100
Thu May 26, 2005 4:52 pm
#26






SharkBoy007 wrote:





alphawolf100 wrote:
Why oh why does everyone assume that jedi is the only proff that suffers fromt his. there are other melee proffs out there. would you guys be pissed if the Swordsmen rallied because they were being chain rooted? NO. You are all pretty smart people guess why Jedi are rallying. because they don't decide when they PvP, like the other melee proffs. So don't go putting the blame on Jedi getting the sepcial nerfed.

The Fact is it wasn't thought out. how much fun would a pistoleer have if 5 riflemen who picked up pistoleer stood at 64m and chain rooted you to death and you couldn't get 1 shot off? it's the same thing





But those profs aren't whining about it (so far as I know). "Jedi" want all the benefits, and none of the penalties, they want an "I Win" button. And like one poster said, 5v1 I'd expect to die, whether I got a shot off or not. And it's not like we weren't warned that Jedi would be a "hard" profession. So if you choose to go Jedi, then you KNOW it's going to be hard, so S T F U and move on already, and quit getting other professions nerfed in your quest for the "god mode".





First of all you can take your "S T F U" and stuff it back down your pocket. I'm in no way trying to nerf Pistoleer.or any proffesion for that matter.Did i say jedi want an I win button? No. Stop assuming things. I simply stated the reason that Jedi are the most vocal about it. and like it or not Jedi is in the game, because you choose not to be one is not the Jedi's fault.


As for Nifty. thank you for your adult response that had a point to it.


1.I completely agree with you. if you'll notice i never said get rid of Root. In fact i didn't give a solution i was just trying to point out it isn't a Jedi only problem.

2. I agree that it can be done that way and in fact i know people who've done it like that. But if you wish to participate in the next phase of the jedi system you will gain Visability and thus the problem occurs.

3. I agree. I was only using the anology to try and help people see the other side.



Now since some people like sharkboy007 are too imature to handle someone with an opinion that isn't EXACTLY like his i guess i'll just leave you all to your thread.




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