Pistoleer Archive

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Bolanos wrote:

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Taewyn wrote:

Grung, no where on the boards was anyone asking for anything but the medic things...

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sure they where, they wanted to heal like a doctor under the investigation line

They want to have robotic tanking pet's like CH's but robot's instead

They want their HIGH damage LLC to be rifle experience and able to use rifle specials with it

They want to track like ranger's

They want to dodge and crap better then pistoleer's

and the list goes on, but hey, more power to you guys

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You're not being very accurate:

1) Some want the ability to use stim Bs (I do not). Hardly "like a doctor." More like a novice medic.

2) We want battle droids. So do a lot of other professions. I've never seen this proposed as a BH-only thing.

3) LLC a rifle? Rifle specials? Link please, this is a new one to me. The LLC is currently a trade-off between accuracy/range and damage potential, which is the way it should be. There's no way the LLC should get rifle specials.

4) We want to track people. Rangers are Master Scouts. Bounty Hunters are Master Scouts. It's only fair that BHs get something for mastering scout. Human traps and tracking are what most want. Why is that a problem to anyone but a BH? How does it hurt you if we get to expand on our scout skills? Why do you care?

5) We want some defense. Some. At no time has the BH community, through our correspondent, asked for higher defense than the elite ranged professions.

Actually Wepp's suggested it a while back (LLC as a rifle), /shrug. Now I (as a pistoleer/BH hybrid) wasn't fond of wepp's at all, but he did say something that I most strongly agree with.

the quote went something along the lines of "It seems like some people would want BH to be nothig more than amini version of pistoller/carbineer/commando, with no real strengths ofit's own. They want a masterpistoller to be able to beat a masterBH with a pistol everytime, even though just takingnovice in BH cost them more than mastering pistoller. Now what I'm not saying is that BH should be the kewlest strongest baddest dudes in the game, But they should be competitive with all of the other elite combatclasses. Otherwise BH would be a jack of all trades master of none, with no real reason to take it since a specalist could beat it everytime, and for less points."

Now I'm probably mangaling the quote (since I can't find the thread), but thats pretty true to the spirit of the thing. The thing is, I know 3 of 4 of the pistollerbranches arecurrentlyborked, and that makes BH look impossibly tough with a pistol in comparission. I would only ask that you hold the screams of nerf for the BH until your class isfixed. The thing is its much easier for the Dev's to nerf than to get a fix out, so thusly they tend to listen a little more closely to request for nerfs. This kinnda mindset leads to playing a game of the least common denominator, and I can confidently say that I don't think anyone wants that.

This is not to invalidate your problems, BS3 should have a higher DPS than BS2, disarming shot 1&2should do something, and they need to make pistolwhip 2 do something like have a dizzy effect so you have an attack that inflicts a state effect. When you guys have all of that, youshouldhave no problm hanging with the BH, so as both a pistoller and a BH, I ask you to be patient and work on your own problems and not create new ones for theBH's.

There's a portion of the BH population that believes the BH profession was supposed to be the single greatest PvP profession there is, and the fact it's not is some grave injustice. Fact is, it was designed around doing a special kind of mission (that no other profession can do). That is the whole reason the BH profession exists, to hunt marks. The devs may be guilty of not developing the missions well, but the fact another player who spent alltheir points on other combat skills and then kicks the BH's @ss, that is not an injustice at all. But they'll still cry and insist they're Jango Fett and should always win etc.

The problem I have with a pistoleer being better than a BH is that a pistoleer can take both Master pistoleer and Master Carbineer thus the BH will only have one weapons he can out do the Pistoleer/ Carbineer combo is the LLC which is quite hard to use in PvP without getting your butt fried. If Pistoleer took enough points that they couldn't dabble as much as they could now I might allow you to be better, but as of now your argument doesn't add up. You can still be a pistoleer and a doctor, a pistoleer and a Master Ranger, a pistoleer and a Squad leader ,or even a Pistoleer with the Launcher pistol, orone of the more popular combos Pistoleer/TKM/Smuggler. As it is you can be more powerful than a BH because you can dabble more into other professions than other so please don't tell me that you should be more powerful while you can still go into other professions. If you couldn't then I might believe that.

Trayn Loes

SunRunner 0/4/4/4 BH

Naritus Master Gunfighter/Smuggler

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Grungegtr21 wrote:

If a BH wins in a shootout by combining carbine to KD and LLC/Pistol to deal dmg or any combo of their skills then its acceptable.

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I do.

But if you truly have BH pistol envy, though, think about this:

I would trade you BH pistol 1 - 4 for all the pistoleer mods and benefits in a split second, and so would any other bounty hunter who understands the class.

BH pistol: bleedingshot, eyeshot, torsoshot, +60 speed and accuracy and +7 ranged defense

or,

Master pistoleer speed and accuracy, melee defense, more ranged defense, resists to KD, Dizzy, Blind, Posture Change, Dodge, accuracy while standing, accuracy while moving, Stopping Shot, Fanshot, and pistolmeleedefense1 and 2, and PBA2?

Gee, as a former master pistoleer, real hard choice there. Eyeshot: Only dumb people go without helmets, making it a low-power attack - you can have it. Bleedingshot, actually not a bad shot. Torsoshot, the DOT makes it better than BS3. Stoppingshot: a **edit** good attack. Fanshot: Allows me to target all pools at once. Meleedefense: within 6 meter KD. Resists to KD, Dizzy, and Posture change: If you think those are worthless you know nothing about SWG combat. Melee defense: increases chances a melee attacker will miss you, BH doesn't even have it. You get more ranged defense than us too. PBA2: I know it's a single attack but it's a very high attack. BS3: With pistoleer speed mods almost as good as torsoshot, just no KD. Healthshot2: it would stack on our healtshot1 without us blowing extra skill points.

Believe me, if I could trade all the BH pistol line for the Pistoleer line all jammed into 4 boxes of pistol, Bounty Hunters would be freaking nightmares.

-- Ypi

Hey guys! I'm a Ranger and an Expert BH, so I know in advance I'm going to get flamed. Besides, I only read the original post. But just from gathering that much info, you're a complete moron. It takes a freaking LONG TIME to get NOVICE Bounty Hunter! Go grind the freaking Survival XP and tell me that you have more fun doing that then shooting up crap. On top of all of the Scouting stuff, you have to MASTER the Marksman profession. Which means that by the time I got Novice BH, I had three times as much weapon training as you did when you got your Novice Gunfighter title. You use any firearm, you will be better with any firearm. It's quite logical, actually..... I saw a good signature somewhere that presented another excellent argument. "A Bounty Hunter is a killer of people. A pistoleer is a guy with a pistol." And yes, BH's are better off than Chefs. But who the hell cares? We're talking about the third most popular profession in the game. It takes about 10 times as much work to become a novice in as the two most popular professions. Give the Bounty Hunters a break.

laff a master pistoleer should beat a master bounty hunter rofl. I made master pistoleer without even noticeing, Bh on the other hand im STILL grinding. Pistoleer is a proffesion for someone thats a dabbleing weakload to take on the side, it should be weak nuff said.

What many pistoleers like to do is find all the idiotic BHs who post and pretend like they represent the whole community. If you actually took time to read our forums properly you would see that 90% of the posts ask for Investigation fixes, payout increases and a reason for mastering scout.

You have to be able to decipher the idiotic BHs with the ones who actually give a **edit** about balance and the BH profession. All you have to do is read and youll see those kinda BHs all over.

90% of the post is somewhat of a slight exageration.

Here's the reality right this moment:
4 posts about ranger tracking
16 posts about the patch message
103 posts about Jedis
8 posts about Tanks
151 posts about Investigation XP/Investigation bugs
11 posts about roleplaying
2 posts about soloing

That's on the first page anyway.

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Reilec wrote:

What many pistoleers like to do is find all the idiotic BHs who post and pretend like they represent the whole community. If you actually took time to read our forums properly you would see that 90% of the posts ask for Investigation fixes, payout increases and a reason for mastering scout.

You have to be able to decipher the idiotic BHs with the ones who actually give a **edit** about balance and the BH profession. All you have to do is read and youll see those kinda BHs all over.

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Well said. There are many out there that want to be the uber I337 killingBounty hunterof death with every Uber weapon that can fry someone in a pico second without any damge coming to his Uber I337 armor.(Ok a little over doing) But that doesn't mean we are all like that. THere are many that just want a fari shot at PvP.

Trayn Loes

SunRunner 0/4/4/4 BH

Naritus Master GunFighter/Smuggler

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deadnewbie wrote:
90% of the post is somewhat of a slight exageration.

Here's the reality right this moment:
4 posts about ranger tracking
16 posts about the patch message
103 posts about Jedis
8 posts about Tanks
151 posts about Investigation XP/Investigation bugs
11 posts about roleplaying
2 posts about soloing

That's on the first page anyway.

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lol its a way of saying "a large majority." Im not gonna sit here and be silly enough to count each post. Surely you have heard of emphasizing a point?

I believe in using the right terms. "most" is good. "a majority" is good. "90%" is an outright exaggeration.

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Ypiana wrote:

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Grungegtr21 wrote:

If a BH wins in a shootout by combining carbine to KD and LLC/Pistol to deal dmg or any combo of their skills then its acceptable.

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I do.

But if you truly have BH pistol envy, though, think about this:

I would trade you BH pistol 1 - 4 for all the pistoleer mods and benefits in a split second, and so would any other bounty hunter who understands the class.

BH pistol: bleedingshot, eyeshot, torsoshot, +60 speed and accuracy and +7 ranged defense

or,

Master pistoleer speed and accuracy, melee defense, more ranged defense, resists to KD, Dizzy, Blind, Posture Change, Dodge, accuracy while standing, accuracy while moving, Stopping Shot, Fanshot, and pistolmeleedefense1 and 2, and PBA2?

Gee, as a former master pistoleer, real hard choice there. Eyeshot: Only dumb people go without helmets, making it a low-power attack - you can have it. Bleedingshot, actually not a bad shot. Torsoshot, the DOT makes it better than BS3. Stoppingshot: a **edit** good attack. Fanshot: Allows me to target all pools at once. Meleedefense: within 6 meter KD. Resists to KD, Dizzy, and Posture change: If you think those are worthless you know nothing about SWG combat. Melee defense: increases chances a melee attacker will miss you, BH doesn't even have it. You get more ranged defense than us too. PBA2: I know it's a single attack but it's a very high attack. BS3: With pistoleer speed mods almost as good as torsoshot, just no KD. Healthshot2: it would stack on our healtshot1 without us blowing extra skill points.

Believe me, if I could trade all the BH pistol line for the Pistoleer line all jammed into 4 boxes of pistol, Bounty Hunters would be freaking nightmares.

-- Ypi

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you forgot one thing chief, the almighty scatter pistol ( /drools all over keyboard).