Pistoleer Archive
Thread: pistoleer vs BH
civicbomb wrote:
i gotta disagree. a bh/pistoleer using torso shot on a bh/pistoleer that uses stopping shot will get owned. eye shot does nothing, on starsider atleast, cause everyone and their mothers got 80% acid resist composite helms. im sorry but since the patch, bh's are weak and the pistoleer/fencer/smuggler combois the way to go now.
Nope, you're just wrong there. TorsoShot spits out 3.0 Health Damage while StoppingShot spits out 5.0 random HAM damage, which hits health 55% of the time. 5.0 * .55 = 2.75, which is less than Torso. Plus Torso has a nice flame DoT and causes wounds. If you're a BH Pistol + Pistoleer, use TorsoShot.
Fair enough, Taewyn. I was careful to say that I was answering his question without reference to skill points. Skill points aside, BH Pistol is way better than Pistoleer. And those skill points for BH pistol allow you to grab the great BH Carbine and LLC lines for cheap since you already have all the prerequisites. BH Pistol + some dabbling in Pistoleer is extremely powerful, especially since you can get Smuggler DF as well to that template.
Are there other templates that are viable? Sure. Some (like the Smuggler DF line) give you a hell of a lot for a small skill point investment. TKA is very powerful now. But I took his question to be ... what makes me best with a pistol, X or Y? I answered that question for him.
Philosopher1976 wrote:
Nope, you're just wrong there. TorsoShot spits out 3.0 Health Damage while StoppingShot spits out 5.0 random HAM damage, which hits health 55% of the time. 5.0 * .55 = 2.75, which is less than Torso. Plus Torso has a nice flame DoT and causes wounds. If you're a BH Pistol + Pistoleer, use TorsoShot.
yes stopping shot hit random hams but have u ever taken 2 bh/pistoleer, have them duel, one spam stopping and one spam torso. i bet u 9 out of 10 time the bh that spams stopping will win.on paper it might seem weaker, but in live combat its not.
civicbomb wrote:
yes stopping shot hit random hams but have u ever taken 2 bh/pistoleer, have them duel, one spam stopping and one spam torso. i bet u 9 out of 10 time the bh that spams stopping will win.on paper it might seem weaker, but in live combat its not.
Up until last night I was a Master Pistoleer + Expert Bounty Hunter, so I had to make the choice to use TorsoShot versus StoppingShot in nearly every PvE and PvP encounter. I spent a lot of time testing both and very rarely used StoppingShot.
Philosopher1976 wrote:
civicbomb wrote:
yes stopping shot hit random hams but have u ever taken 2 bh/pistoleer, have them duel, one spam stopping and one spam torso. i bet u 9 out of 10 time the bh that spams stopping will win.on paper it might seem weaker, but in live combat its not.
Up until last night I was a Master Pistoleer + Expert Bounty Hunter, so I had to make the choice to use TorsoShot versus StoppingShot in nearly every PvE and PvP encounter. I spent a lot of time testing both and very rarely used StoppingShot.
Maybe its somewhere else and I missed it...but after last night...what are you? (and "I'm Batman" doesn't count...)
Yep ... the Holocron told me Dancer. I should reach Novice Dancer by later tonight. 
So yes, that means I'm back tousing BodyShot2 with the rest of you.
True, the BH pistol line, in and of itself is really nice for offensive power in terms of your pistol ...
And yes as far as stopping shot VS torso you are right, typically my macro (well what was my macro before the holocron 
),,,was.
/KnockdownFire
/knockdownFire
/stoppingShot
/TorsoShot
/torsoShot
It was a bit of a gamble, but if Stopping shot hit health pool, it was almost a sure win.....But for raw DPS torso is more efficent in the long run, and if I had a choice of what to spam, it would be torso....
If you have the skill points to spare, the BH Pistol line is the obvious choice. Either of the main BH pistol specials (TorsoShot and EyeShot) are better than anything on the Pistoleer tree by far. Plus you'll get the same speed and accuracy as a Master Pistoleer (sightly higher, actually).
Then you can pick up Novice Pistoleer and Stances 2, to cap out your speed. Definitely better than going Pistoleer, at the moment. 
Pistoleer wins hands down IMHO.
BH might have better specials but eats up way to much skill points.
I gurentee that once I hit master CH/Pistoleer with my 80% comp helm there is no way a BH will take me down. And even if you manage a lucky shot my pet will finish you off.
In PvE no bounty hunter on SWG can accomplish as much as a pistoleer/CH
Hands down my vote goes to pistoleer.
However, if PvE is your main interest go for rifleman/CH. My friend Barb, with one grand wrix and one grand wrix baby solos rancors. Haven't seen it personally but I have seen her rip a spawn of piket on dant a new a-s-s. Truly awesome
I like to see a BH try that
Vezek For PvE, this template absolutly rocks
Commando 0040
CH 4400
Medic 0030
TKA 4/0/0/0
Super wound healing, with no would packs...Cure disease/Poison.....(med) Stim C's...Flame dot, and grauls
With the new CH changes, it will have to change to 4/4/2/0 CH, So you lose the ability to use stim C's...But still, this is probably one of the best PvE templates out there.....
SomeUser wrote:
Pistoleer wins hands down IMHO.
BH might have better specials but eats up way to much skill points.
I gurentee that once I hit master CH/Pistoleer with my 80% comp helm there is no way a BH will take me down. And even if you manage a lucky shot my pet will finish you off.
In PvE no bounty hunter on SWG can accomplish as much as a pistoleer/CH
Hands down my vote goes to pistoleer.
However, if PvE is your main interest go for rifleman/CH. My friend Barb, with one grand wrix and one grand wrix baby solos rancors. Haven't seen it personally but I have seen her rip a spawn of piket on dant a new a-s-s. Truly awesome
I like to see a BH try that
Ah I can just scare your pet away. You know how? Warning shot works wonders against pets. Two and the pet is running the other way leaving you to finish off the owner with Torso shot and even if you kill me you are going to have a fun time with the fireDoT. And one other thing is I can get through that composite. Who says the only thing I have to use is a Scatter pistol? I carry as many different damage types as I can and most com armors are weak to stun which that is where my Krayt Tangle pistol comes in. It works preaty well if you slice it up and add 30%+ powerups. I have taken down guys with Krayt Com before
Personaly I use both I have a 0/4/4/4 BH with 0/0/4/0 pistoleer and a Master pistoleer on another server. I use both shots quite often. I some times you Torso, Health shot, then stopping shot. For me it realy depends on what bar is the lowest. If it is his red I can bring him down faster with Torso shot because it is a targeted attack. If all three bars are equal then stopping shot might be a better aproach.