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Thread: Is Pistoleer ever going to be a contender in PvP?
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llllMaverickllll
Wed Mar 03, 2004 12:12 pm
#14
If you get dirty fighting line for low blow, panic, and last ditch you have some powerfull tools, but what you really need is TKM to do the damage once you set them on their back with low blow.
llllMaverickllll
Wed Mar 03, 2004 6:06 pm
#15
Heh, easy enough. Start at 60m, shoot, if they run at you, run away from them.
If you want to take one on without kiting, get full buffs including mind (spice + dancer + musician + brandy). Put on 80% kinetic composite. Now you've got a chance... Dirty fighting helps your odds out a lot.
KingKeebler
Wed Mar 03, 2004 7:47 pm
#16
i hardly even use pistoleer anymore in pvp...my new macro is panicshot with a 3 second delay for me to close the gap then into kd/dizzy and unarmedhit3
against a buffed player, pistols are absolutely useless like everyone else said. they just regen the dmg after you do it. only time i really use pistoleer is if im getting swamped by a group, panic and fanshot will either give me enough time to get away/get backup or if im lucky hit some mind pools and give me a chance to use tka head hit for the win.
but all in all without a support class master pistoleer is utter and complete crap. and i say that lovingly been pistoleer since launch and ill never give it up
against a buffed player, pistols are absolutely useless like everyone else said. they just regen the dmg after you do it. only time i really use pistoleer is if im getting swamped by a group, panic and fanshot will either give me enough time to get away/get backup or if im lucky hit some mind pools and give me a chance to use tka head hit for the win.
but all in all without a support class master pistoleer is utter and complete crap. and i say that lovingly been pistoleer since launch and ill never give it up
roymitchel1
Wed Mar 03, 2004 9:04 pm
#17
pistoleer sucks. i love how rifleman can shoot an ap3 cannon faster then we can shoot our (insert ap0/1 piece of crap here)
Pagus
Wed Mar 03, 2004 9:51 pm
#18
Massanas wrote:
Are you serious? I generally do 100-400 dmg per shot in pvp 1-2 times a second. Most of the time 1 time a second sometimes i see it hit twice. As long as the 5 guys coming at you aren't focused right at you you hammer all of there ham bars done before they know whats going on.
What kind of gun are you using?
Genearlly i use a 368max repub or a 300ish max fwg5. And I don't have any issues as long as they aren't all focused on me.
I hate to say it but there's no way your doing that kind of actual damage to an armored player in PVP as a Pistoleer. It might be saying that in combat log but in the actual damage numbers above their head your probably doing 20-80 pts of damage assuming that they have 80% Composite. If they're fully buffed that makes it worse because they'llregen a lot of that each second. I'm not saying you're lying or anything just that you may be mistaken.
SoontierFel
Thu Mar 04, 2004 1:58 am
#21
carlhungis wrote
Personally, I suck in PVP.....but I have heard that a master pistoleer can beat a TKM. I have had a couple of TKM's say this, but I am not sure how. I would be interrested to know the tactics to use in such a fight.
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it all depends really 
if you are strictly a master pistoleer dueling a strictly master tka ANDyou are both unbuffed, it's not too hard to kill a TKM. You do pistol melee defense 1 and the spam stopping if you have a fast pistol and most of the time depending on how good your pistol is you can kill them before they get up. If you're both buffed then probably the best bet would be to pmd1 pray for a knockdown and then run away as fast as you can while spamming stopping it may not be pretty but it gets the job done. If you have smuggler or bh it makes things much easier but w/o I think your best bet is to run and spam stopping hehe
djswift2k
Thu Mar 04, 2004 2:52 am
#22
before they put the damage reductions in pvp, and before rifleman got beefed up, and before defense mods, pistoleer was the best pvp by leaps and bounds, had a area kd that could hit with a high damage multiplier (disarming shot 2) for raids and clear 10 people at once, or could hit a one shot kill on stopping... but those days are all long gone, as to the fact that disarming 2 does squat now, and stopping is soo slow now, and there is a damage reductio in pcp making these moves realisticalyl do roughly 1/2 or less of the damage they used to do in pvp.
djswift2k
Thu Mar 04, 2004 2:56 am
#23
on my server ther is a crafted geo pistol thats about 674 max damage and although its using a high velocity barrrek and exceptinal krayt tissue and a 33% damge slice (lol perfect pistol) regular crafted ones are in the 220 range, and are better damge wise than old fwgs, with scatter-like stats, and can be extremeyl lethal in pvp using eye shot in a bh pistol 2+/master pistoleer hybrid build. maybe as effective as jawa-rifleman or better.
bknugga
Thu Mar 04, 2004 5:57 am
#24
Massanas, I seriously dont see how u get that type of damage in atm, all my main wepons are kryt, with exceptional stats. Ive been Master pistoleer /master Smuggler tka for a long time now and am very experienced in pvp before that i was BH.
I dont get taken down easily either in pvp, just dont ditch out the amount of damage other proffessions do vs other buffed and armored opponents. that type of damage u say ur doing, can be done vs low armor or unbuffed. Im totally confident in this, Pistoleer in pvp are the weakest atm... Hopefully someday the devs will realize just how borked we are and do something about it =(
Bknugga
Master Pissedoffleer / Master Smuggler
Veehawk
Thu Mar 04, 2004 6:40 am
#25
"IS PISTOLEER EVER GOING TO BE A CONTENDER IN PVP?"
I have been a gunfighter sinse the first week of launch on Ahazi and it has been my one and only combat profession. I will also be the first to admit that we are broken and need some vast improvements in our attack category. If you go out and shop around for some great gear like most great pvp'ers do of any class, you can compete with the top pvp'ers on your server easily. I am a master doctor so I buff myself for an average of 2500-3500 for my six pools and my mind is at 1k, with a master dancer buff I am raised to 2k and Brandy is your best friend 
With an average of 3-5k for all 9 pools and a full suit of comp armor at 80% all, you can easily go out and solo anything in PVE. Add in some nice krayted prenerfed guns and powerups and you can kill peeps effortlessly all day long. Take advantage of your +105 dodge and add some skill tapes/armor segs to make that higher and kneel down and watch your char dodge like Neo from the Matrix.
With an average of 3-5k for all 9 pools and a full suit of comp armor at 80% all, you can easily go out and solo anything in PVE. Add in some nice krayted prenerfed guns and powerups and you can kill peeps effortlessly all day long. Take advantage of your +105 dodge and add some skill tapes/armor segs to make that higher and kneel down and watch your char dodge like Neo from the Matrix. As a Master Gunfighter (about 4 months and a novice sinse launch) I have learned to tweak our class in pvp to make it a top contender. Use pistol whip to kd and get your damage multiplier, hit the target with health shot 2 and gain a tactical advantage while they are down (perfect time to pop spice/use food/ don armor/equip a powerup). Use stopping shot/fan shot as a powerful/fast attack to make the enemies ham drop. If your stopping shot/fan shot hits the health pool the hardest spam BS3 (gutt shot) and guarantee yourself a faster way to incap your foe. For some odd reason on my server, when I use health shot 2 and make them bleed they go into instant panic mode and start popping stims in fear, that is just more time for you to make your next move.
PBS2 hits the mind pool quite often for me, I use health shot 2/BS3 spam to make their health pool drop to force them to use a stim. I repeat this until their mind is quite low from popping stims and then I move into point blank range and hope that PBS2 hits the mind for an incap. If it doesn't you should have their health pool crippled by now and a powerful pistol can make BS3 hit very hard. My krayted pistols (in PVE) while using BS3 hit for 1200-2500 after I use one health shot 2. 300-625 damage in one shot alone guaranteed to the health pool will always net me a kill if used with superlative timing out on the field. Know your specials and get to know the pvp gear of the best players and why they wear it as they kill you and you should be killing them in no time at all.
Not to sound arrogant but I have been voted for twice now as one of the best rebel pvp'ers on my server. I am not the "best" but I am pretty darned close as far as being strictly a gunfighter for my combat skills goes. If I can be voted for twice on two totally different threads several months apart and my combat skills are only that of a pistoleer, why on earth is a thread like this up on our boards? For the novices I guess........wait until you make master You will love it, I do
You will love it, I do
Massanas
Thu Mar 04, 2004 6:50 am
#26
Well i havent pvp alot lately so maybe my numbers are off but the last time I did pvp thats what I remember. Most of the people I do fight have armor and are buffed though so maybe they are sporting substandard stuff.
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