Pistoleer Archive

Thread: Is Pistoleer ever going to be a contender in PvP?

HabeasCorpus
Tue Mar 02, 2004 12:45 am
#1

I've been a pistoleer for about 5 months. I've been a smuggler for 6 months. I'm probably one of the best pistol users I know. but I have major problems with our profession:



  • No/pitiful Specific HAM bar attack

  • very lame damage output

  • broken specials

  • slow firing speed

Now, I'd love to see these fixed, but are they ever going to be? Or am I better off jumping on the TKM/Rifleman?CM bandwagon? Is pistoleeer ever going to be the contender it needs to be?








Alytheia Talisvera (TSA), Master Smugger & Master Gunfighter, Tempest
cynix
Tue Mar 02, 2004 5:26 am
#2

As far as i know master gunfighter with the Dirty Fighting line is very good in pvp, so you must be doing something wrong or need to get some tactics...



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carlhungis
Tue Mar 02, 2004 5:41 am
#3

Personally, I suck in PVP.....but I have heard that a master pistoleer can beat a TKM. I have had a couple of TKM's say this, but I am not sure how. I would be interrested to know the tactics to use in such a fight.



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Daermoth
Tue Mar 02, 2004 5:55 am
#4

Yes, a master pistoleer can beat a master teras kasi. Just stay outside 20 meters!



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bknugga
Tue Mar 02, 2004 6:19 am
#5



Problem is in pvp vs buffed and armored opponents, Master pistoleer even with the df line does not dish out the amount of damage other clases can... Plain and simple. In most casesbuffs regen anypistoleer damage to fast being that its so low pvp wise.


yes maybewe are fast but with broken specials we have to fight double maybe triple harder then any proffession to even tap an opponent in pvp, Random HAM attacks suck, Def stacking sucks even more.


Im master Pistoleer and master smuggler working on tka now, and no one cant tell me they havnt faced a stacker that dodges all u can ditch out, for that matter SOE should of named our proffession master runners hehe.


just my 2 credits


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ImpDude
Tue Mar 02, 2004 6:35 am
#6

The things i see here are getting fixed next publish... You don't have to worry about the master rifleman dishing out 700+ damage in one sec delays. It will now be 3 sec delays plenty of time to use our cap to hit him 3 times being about 4/3 of the damage he is making. I dissaprove of that. Carbineers will be fine at 2.0 sec considering i have seen them dish out major damage before.Also that dizzy/kd combo added with tkm and you got yourself a worthy pvper



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bknugga
Tue Mar 02, 2004 6:41 am
#7



anyone know when the next publish is coming?





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DoctorGriggs
Tue Mar 02, 2004 7:38 am
#8



bknugga wrote:
Problem is in pvp vs buffed and armored opponents, Master pistoleer even with the df line does not dish out the amount of damage other clases can... Plain and simple. In most cases buffs regen any pistoleer damage to fast being that its so low pvp wise.
yes maybe we are fast but with broken specials we have to fight double maybe triple harder then any proffession to even tap an opponent in pvp, Random HAM attacks suck, Def stacking sucks even more.
Im master Pistoleer and master smuggler working on tka now, and no one cant tell me they havnt faced a stacker that dodges all u can ditch out, for that matter SOE should of named our proffession master runners hehe.
just my 2 credits
Bknugga
Master Pissedoffleer / Master Smuggler





I found this out last night. I was dueling someone who was wearing full composite and fully buffed and between damage mitigation, his dodges/blocks, my misses, and the 75% PvP reduction I was doing nothing to him. In fact, spamming Last Ditch at once per second, he was still recovering the damage on every third hit because of food/high secondary stats.



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overlordpr
Tue Mar 02, 2004 8:49 am
#9

I am master pistoleer bh pistols 4 and I can handle myself very very well on pvps vs every other class xept rifleman. With rifleman I gotta take canape+brandy+moun to get my mind on the 2k and put on my stun def helm if the rifleman is using t21. It sucks having to dabble the professios but master pistoleer alone is not enough and I don't really like the specials of smuggler. I hope that in the next publish pistoleers get what they deserve so I can drop bh and take a non combat profession to have some fun x]



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Epukag
Tue Mar 02, 2004 9:55 am
#10






overlordpr wrote:
I am master pistoleer bh pistols 4 and I can handle myself very very well on pvps vs every other class xept rifleman. With rifleman I gotta take canape+brandy+moun to get my mind on the 2k and put on my stun def helm if the rifleman is using t21. It sucks having to dabble the professios but master pistoleer alone is not enough and I don't really like the specials of smuggler. I hope that in the next publish pistoleers get what they deserve so I can drop bh and take a non combat profession to have some fun x]






with Pub7 and the new Geo "stun" pistol - my current build of pistoleer/bhpistol should be able to rack up lots of PvP kills


The geo stun pistol alone makes pistoleers more deadly in PvP. The patch will reduce the stackers making accuracy count. I love the BH tree so I can attack the Heath OR Mind directly with powerful shots depending on the enemy's stats




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HabeasCorpus
Wed Mar 03, 2004 2:04 am
#11






cynix wrote:

As far as i know master gunfighter with the Dirty Fighting line is very good in pvp, so you must be doing something wrong or need to get some tactics...







oh, I do alright. I'm not saying I don't. but, 90% is because I know how to fight. Now, in a Buffed, Armored Duel with an opponent takes me about 10-15 minutes to do. I have 5 specials to work from:



  • Last Ditch

  • Fanshot

  • Stopping Shot

  • bodyshot 2 (or 3, they do the same damage)

  • Lowblow/Panic Combo (sure, that's 2 specials, but A. you can't get lowblow to stick often in PvP and B. Panic is getting the nerf bat soon)

Last Ditch is a slow special for me even with a fast gun. it does about the same DPS that fanshot does, unless I can get the target KD'ed. Fanshot is my fastest special, it's what I spam in a duel. I don't even use stopping shot, it's about as long of a delay as Last Ditch and it's not nearly as effective. IF by some miracle I was able to drain the health of a person (buffed HAM 3k all around with 2k in the subs) I might be inclined to use a Bodyshot special. but it's always a war of attrition for the mind pool. who can damage it, and who can't. my only hope is to do enough damage to a target's health that they have to heal the damage. then I continue to damage the health until I wear down their mind through stim use. then I pray to all that is Lucas for that miracle of miracles when Last Ditch randomly hits the mind pool. by this time in the fight I'm nearly gone for mind as well, and I'm hoping that my opponents Muon wears out soon. if the Muon goes, I'll probably win.


Should Pistoleers be relegated to having to rely on "bad luck" on their opponents account to win a battle?


Whereas a Rifleman TKA can ace anyone in about 10 seconds. Headshot3 at the speed cap with a Jawa Stun Rifle for 200 damage a shot. thats 2k of damage in 10 seconds, and even with muon, brandy, and 1100 in the mind as a base stat that's 2400... so maybe you speed 400 in a vain attempt to get your specials off as a pistoleer.








Alytheia Talisvera (TSA), Master Smugger & Master Gunfighter, Tempest
CyberData4
Wed Mar 03, 2004 11:17 am
#12

A greater question would be: "Does a pistoleer HAVE to take up another profession just to be competant at PvP?"


I want that answer to be "no" but it seems like pistoleer in itself isn't enough.


Massanas
Wed Mar 03, 2004 11:59 am
#13

"Problem is in pvp vs buffed and armored opponents, Master pistoleer even with the df line does not dish out the amount of damage other clases can... Plain and simple. In most casesbuffs regen anypistoleer damage to fast being that its so low pvp wise.
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Are you serious? I generally do 100-400 dmg per shot in pvp 1-2 times a second. Most of the time 1 time a second sometimes i see it hit twice. As long as the 5 guys coming at you aren't focused right at you you hammer all of there ham bars done before they know whats going on.


What kind of gun are you using?


Genearlly i use a 368max repub or a 300ish max fwg5. And I don't have any issues as long as they aren't all focused on me.
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