Pistoleer Archive
Thread: Pistoleer team let us down. SAY IT AIN'T SO!
BeakerMike
Fri Apr 01, 2005 4:51 am
#14
The fact that our class doesn't get any of the new Pistols is just wrong, I mean ok Smugglers have wanted there own pistol for sometime, cool they have one. Combat Medics I can see useing Pistols as well, tho in many wars and stuff Medic's where useing a Carbine or a SMG. But SL gets a Pistol? Come on, not only do they get a Pistol they get the Intimidator???
But oh wait... We can use a DX2 at Master Pistoleer, gee that's just nice of you... Really...
Granted it's still to soon to tell, but after dealing with EA and UO for 6 years I'm used to a week long test for something then it go's in. As for all the posts of "Quit your whining." I'm not whining, I'd really like to know why Pistoleer a combat class that uses Pistols is shafted for SL.
Insidius
Fri Apr 01, 2005 5:22 am
#15
LordMaxx wrote:
Oy...I need to post a sticky thread on this. Guys..All of those OLD pistols that you NEVER used are basically new pistols. You may actually want to wait and see how those turn out. Yes we like flashy new artwork, and "twirly moves" is somehow in our want list. But wait until you actually see if those 6 or so pistols we NEVER used actually turn out worth something before saying we didnt get anything new like those other guys.
Finally, someone speaking with reason and wisdom in their voice.
JerethBane
Fri Apr 01, 2005 6:12 am
#16
Oy...I need to post a sticky thread on this. Guys..All of those OLD pistols that you NEVER used are basically new pistols. You may actually want to wait and see how those turn out. Yes we like flashy new artwork, and "twirly moves" is somehow in our want list. But wait until you actually see if those 6 or so pistols we NEVER used actually turn out worth something before saying we didnt get anything new like those other guys.
In other words, YOU CAVED.
Seriously, as it stands right now Lord Maxx, it looks like you went in there to represent the triple masters, the BH Pistoleers, the All Star Guys and forgot your job.
We can be mollified, but we will be needing some DETAILS. The NDA is gone, don't act like a dev.
CaixCatab
Fri Apr 01, 2005 6:26 am
#17
I just want to know where the heck the DE-10 certs are... has me a little concerned to say the least, but at least the smugglers are getting some love. But yeah its not been up for a a few hours.. so I wil hold comment for the moment.
Log on to live, examine your masters box and try to find a DE-10 cert there.
Fairly sure *no* quest/loot dropped weapon's certificates show up in the skill tree.
edit: As for "oh noes, no new guns!" I'd rather see our existing guns revamped than continuing to seem some of them as crap/underused and recieve new eyecandy.
Message Edited by CaixCatab on 04-01-2005 03:29 PM
fishbrains
Fri Apr 01, 2005 6:32 am
#18
The NDA is still in effect. You need to get over yourself. You don't know jack as far as the pistol team 'caving'. FYI they did not. You need to calm the hell down and stop acting like you're 6.
JerethBane wrote:
In other words, YOU CAVED.
Seriously, as it stands right now Lord Maxx, it looks like you went in there to represent the triple masters, the BH Pistoleers, the All Star Guys and forgot your job.
We can be mollified, but we will be needing some DETAILS. The NDA is gone, don't act like a dev.
LiamDeclan
Fri Apr 01, 2005 6:48 am
#19
well on TC-5 early this am I took all the pistols from the blue frog. I am pissed about no new pistols that I could tell for the pistoleer. However the new weapons and THE OLD PISTOLS all do huge piles of damage!!!! my de-10 on eclipse does 679max pupped, the one I got off the frog did over 700max unpupped unsliced also, along with a few of the new ones. Hell the FWG5's min damage was around 300 or so. Yeah thats right you whiners MINIMUM damage and unsliced-unpupped.
waffle2626
Fri Apr 01, 2005 6:50 am
#20
I think people should just calm down until you get a chance to play it. There will be changes, but thats just the way it is.
LordMaxx
Fri Apr 01, 2005 7:40 am
#21
JerethBane wrote:Oy...I need to post a sticky thread on this. Guys..All of those OLD pistols that you NEVER used are basically new pistols. You may actually want to wait and see how those turn out. Yes we like flashy new artwork, and "twirly moves" is somehow in our want list. But wait until you actually see if those 6 or so pistols we NEVER used actually turn out worth something before saying we didnt get anything new like those other guys.In other words, YOU CAVED.Seriously, as it stands right now Lord Maxx, it looks like you went in there to represent the triple masters, the BH Pistoleers, the All Star Guys and forgot your job.We can be mollified, but we will be needing some DETAILS. The NDA is gone, don't act like a dev.
Im only going to say this once to you and this board...maybe Ill make it a main post. I have done everything in my power to see that pistoleers are given their fair share...if you want new weapons then maybe they should have switched the artwork around and renamed those weapons. Saying I havent tried without knowing what I have done or TRIED to do for the pistoleers is about an ignorant statement as you can make. If you think I failed you. big deal I know there will be people who dont like the change of our role in combat. To tell you the truth I dont like being a debuffer, but there ya go, thats what we are. If you wanted to come out of CU wielding pistols as big as rifles (in damage and size) then just go be a rifleman. I tell you some of them arent happy with their situation either.
In the end YOU, ME, Joe Schmoe Pistoleer have NO say in what becomes of our profession. If you think you know what you wanted, and you didnt get it...sorry. I did try and I argued for us as a profession. I dont want us to be a stepping stone for BH, Smuggler, SL or Commando. Did I post, and repost and bump and Plead the devs to listen YES I did. I know what many of you want, a God with a Pistol that can daringly duke it out with stormtroopers holding e11 carbines and rifles...well we will be the tricksters, the ones who mess up the others plans, meanwhile sapping their life away with targeted health shots. If you dont like that roll here you go.
As for BHs...I dont give 2 squats about them. I personally have felt they have had much more than pistoleers have had for too long Id rather have seen BHs wanting to take Pistoleer because THEY wanted the bonuses...not pistoleers HAVING to take BH so they can actually compete...and Now I fear it is all the same.
Take your whining to the TC, show the devs whether or not our profession is playable...Ill be there trying to make sure when groups are formed we are only brought on if they have room. And that soloing as a pistoleer is not dead.
You can just sit back and think about what you know and make assumptions that only make YOU look bad.
Message Edited by LordMaxx on 04-01-2005 09:44 AM
BWVictorious
Fri Apr 01, 2005 8:41 am
#22
/bow to Lord Maxx
I dont agree with flaming you. The Pistoleer seems to have improved a LOT! and probably in some part because of your efforts. therefore THANK YOU!
But I think I can make sense of whats going on: There is a new Pistol (actually mroe than one) that seems soooo cool and pistoleers never get it. Worst, they dont even seem to be able to get it by mixing professions.
To me it seems that the days of the Master of Pistols are gone (BH, Master Pistoleer, Commando).
That is sad. As a master Pistoleer I want to be able to use any pistol.
Why do SL and CM get Pistol Certs? thats not right. At least give the certs to Pistoleers as well!
Uthyr
Fri Apr 01, 2005 8:50 am
#23
LordMaxx wrote:
Ill be there trying to make sure when groups are formed we are only brought on if they have room. And that soloing as a pistoleer is not dead.
That last sentence pretty much sums up for me what I expect (or at least would have hoped for) of the CU Pistoleer profession. I don't want to have to take a back seat to the more damage-dealing professions or to only be viable if I am grouped with them. How is a pistoleer going to be able to be able to grind XP if all (s)he can do is help other group members make allthe kills? Maybe that should be the test of how well-balanced the CU professions are--by how easily one profession can accumulate combat XP compared with another, and this should be a failrly objective index of how well our profession performs.
I for one am grateful to you, LordMaxx, for all you have done, and are continuing to do, to make our concerns known to the devs.
Ipseck
Fri Apr 01, 2005 9:22 am
#24
pistoleer won't be taking a back seat by any means. We'll take the edge of mobs for the tanks, the tanks keep them at a distance for the damage dealers and when we're not debuffing we can assist in damage dealing. Its a pretty elegant system.
Tanks and damage dealers will be the ones that fight the battle, pistoleers, squadleaders, etc will be the ones that shape the battle.
Tanks and damage dealers will be the ones that fight the battle, pistoleers, squadleaders, etc will be the ones that shape the battle.
Message Edited by Ipseck on 04-01-2005 10:24 AM
Jaster_M
Fri Apr 01, 2005 9:32 am
#25
LordMaxx wrote:
JerethBane wrote:Oy...I need to post a sticky thread on this. Guys..All of those OLD pistols that you NEVER used are basically new pistols. You may actually want to wait and see how those turn out. Yes we like flashy new artwork, and "twirly moves" is somehow in our want list. But wait until you actually see if those 6 or so pistols we NEVER used actually turn out worth something before saying we didnt get anything new like those other guys.In other words, YOU CAVED.Seriously, as it stands right now Lord Maxx, it looks like you went in there to represent the triple masters, the BH Pistoleers, the All Star Guys and forgot your job.We can be mollified, but we will be needing some DETAILS. The NDA is gone, don't act like a dev.
Im only going to say this once to you and this board...maybe Ill make it a main post. I have done everything in my power to see that pistoleers are given their fair share...if you want new weapons then maybe they should have switched the artwork around and renamed those weapons. Saying I havent tried without knowing what I have done or TRIED to do for the pistoleers is about an ignorant statement as you can make. If you think I failed you. big deal I know there will be people who dont like the change of our role in combat. To tell you the truth I dont like being a debuffer, but there ya go, thats what we are. If you wanted to come out of CU wielding pistols as big as rifles (in damage and size) then just go be a rifleman. I tell you some of them arent happy with their situation either.
In the end YOU, ME, Joe Schmoe Pistoleer have NO say in what becomes of our profession. If you think you know what you wanted, and you didnt get it...sorry. I did try and I argued for us as a profession. I dont want us to be a stepping stone for BH, Smuggler, SL or Commando. Did I post, and repost and bump and Plead the devs to listen YES I did. I know what many of you want, a God with a Pistol that can daringly duke it out with stormtroopers holding e11 carbines and rifles...well we will be the tricksters, the ones who mess up the others plans, meanwhile sapping their life away with targeted health shots. If you dont like that roll here you go.
As for BHs...I dont give 2 squats about them. I personally have felt they have had much more than pistoleers have had for too long Id rather have seen BHs wanting to take Pistoleer because THEY wanted the bonuses...not pistoleers HAVING to take BH so they can actually compete...and Now I fear it is all the same.
Take your whining to the TC, show the devs whether or not our profession is playable...Ill be there trying to make sure when groups are formed we are only brought on if they have room. And that soloing as a pistoleer is not dead.
You can just sit back and think about what you know and make assumptions that only make YOU look bad.Message Edited by LordMaxx on 04-01-2005 09:44 AM
Atleast your honest and not trying to sugar coat the way you feel about what were being made into like i'm sure others may be doing. What I wanna know is wht Dev thought it would be funny to make us "Lords of the Debuff.". I think having 80% of our specials broke for this long was bad enough...but honestly, I'd take the old way over what I saw lastnight while playing for 3 hours. I dont doubt in the least that you've been Vocal LordMaxx. I do believe that the Devs are gonna make the game into whatever they want it to be...reguardless of how the players feel.
LordMaxx
Fri Apr 01, 2005 9:34 am
#26
I know there are 2 camps on the issue...some say All pistols should be certed to pistoleer and some dont mind the hybrids getting their own weapons...Im of the latter. That is fine if the hybrids get their own weapons AS LONG AS the pistoleers have comperable if not better weapons. The Ultimate pistols in the game should belong to the pistoleer alone. And we wont know how that is going until we get the crafters on board on TC What you get from the frogs is not indicative of how it will be crafted...