Pistoleer Archive
Thread: Stopping Shot: Attacks Random Pool?
Cry yourself a river, smuggler.
BH also have to learn scout, rifle, and carbine weapons specialization. Not to mention you can train those bh skills if you want to stop crying and go get the skills.
Protofish wrote:
I slightly agree. A BH in the SWG was someone who's main profession was killing people. As such, he should be the most proficient at doing so.
That's just not true. A BH's main job was to find people and bring them in alive. It's that way in Star Wars and in real life too. There is NO guarantee that you are tougher than your target when you do find him.
A previous poster's point about Billy the Kid was right on.
However, I dislike the fact that a BH's pistol branch is just as strong as an entire Pistoleer tree. Pistoleer should be the best at using a pistol. Pistoleer should not however be the best at killing people.
Is there something else that those pistoleers used that pistol for? If you're the best at using a pistol, and pistols are used by pistoleers to kill people, well you do the math. I think pistoleers should be just as good at killing people as bounty hunters, carbineers, TKsand riflemen. A bounty hunter isn't even a profession that specializes 100% in killing! A BH spends most of time learning how to find people.
Caelrie and others of similar opinion. You are just wrong.
Pistoleers have the ability to be better than Master BH with their pistols.. all you have to do is master the pistoleer tree and then take up the BH pistol 4 skill. You can be better than BH. But just because you're a pistoleer doesnt mean that you're the best pistol user. You've decided to follow that line of skills. You are better than most and you are more versatile if not better than the BH. If you want to be hands down the best user of the pistol, Master the Pistoleer tree and then learn BH pistol4.
What's funny about this discussion is this: You can learn the BH pistol skills. The master BH can not learn hardly any of the pistoleer tree. If you do not see that clearly the Master pistoleer hands down if the correct line of training is taken (including the BH pistol4 skill), is by far the most dangerous and versatile skilled pistol user, then you are not willing to recognize FACT. This is not opinion, this is simply TRUTH.
Ummm.....ya, by saying that we could just go up the pistol tree to become the best pistol users.....that's still giving into the fact that you have to become a novice bounty hunter and go up a bounty hunter tree to be the best pistol user.
doesnt change the fact BH gets better pistol moves.
WellI thought I'd had the perspective of a bounty hunter to this discussion.
First, you guys know how amazing the pistoleer profession is or you wouldn't be in it!
Second your combination of offence and defence is rivaled only by the TK class
Third, you are left with a big bulk of points after mastering pistoleer which can be used to make yourselves even deadlier! (smuggler lowblow, TK added defenses, a rifle specialization to use conceal shot and sniping moves, hell you pick!)
So yes on a STRICT offensive basis, the BH is better that the pistoleer, but that would be ignoring all the other advantages especially in defence that your profession is offering and the added versatiliy of your class.
I always am careful when facing a pistoleer, they are for me the most dangerous oponents especially if they happen to be also smugglers.
You guys you stop worrying and start feeling pretty good about yourselfs. Even the deadliests of the deadly consider you with warryness!
Aeschelus wrote:
Caelrie and others of similar opinion. You are just wrong.
Pistoleers have the ability to be better than Master BH with their pistols.. all you have to do is master the pistoleer tree and then take up the BH pistol 4 skill. You can be better than BH.
Yes it's clear that to be the best pistol user you need to take Pistoleer + BH Pistol Spec. But the debate is really over who should be better at using a pistol a Plain Master BH or a Plain Master Pistoleer? And in many of our opinions, the edge should fall towards Pistoleer. A profession dedicated to the use of the Pistol. Right now the edge falls towards BH in terms of using a pistol effectively. They should have made up more new weapons like the lightning cannon and made BH's excel at those, instead of creating a profession that directly steps on the toes of a profession that is not a prereq.
I have no problems with BH's doing more DPS or having better specials than Pistoleers. I only have a problem with BH's being more accurate, firing faster and having better specials with a pistol. That just makes no sense.
Smuggler:
The problem with your arugment is that you seem to be stuck in the mind set of class v. class comparisons the way they were done in previous games such as eq or daoc. If this discussion was being held with respect to those games, then you'd be right. However, this is not about pistoleer v. bounty hunter. This is about what skills you choose to make your character.
The characters are unique. The class many players create will be unique. One pistoleer is not the same as the next. You can not group players by class titles any more and say, "no fair, that class has x and we only have y." That type of arguement does not work in a skill tree based systyem of player progression.
It all comes down to one thing: Determine the type of player you want to play given the skill trees available and the point allottment - Then go make that character. So if you want to be the best pistol wielding class out there, stop saying I'm a pistoleer and we need x, y, and z. Start out instead by going out and getting those skills that ARE available to you in the BH tree instead of wishing they were in the pistoleer tree.